whats the start and target weights?
depending where you start from you might drop a stone in a couple of weeks simply swapping carbs for protein.
I had to lose a stone a while back, but that was the last stone to c.8% body fat, it took me 10 weeks, it was horrible. no booze, not enough food, no 'proper' meal, just teeny tiny top up foods six times a day, by week 3 i could barely ride, settled into it by week 5 but unsustainable in the longer term (for me) put about half back on in less than a month..
my favourite recommendation however is the raw chicken diet - not sure anyone ever took me up on that yet, so let me know how it goes.
I had to lose a stone a while back, but that was the last stone to c.8% body fat, it took me 10 weeks, it was horrible. no booze, not enough food, no ‘proper’ meal, just teeny tiny top up foods six times a day, by week 3 i could barely ride, settled into it by week 5 but unsustainable in the longer term (for me) put about half back on in less than a month
That sounds horrible but I'm curious - what did you have to lose that weight for?
In a roundabout kind of way yes but thats due to keto and low carb having a metabolic advantage (Metabolic advantage” refers to the idea that you can lose more weight
Key word being idea
But if placebo works for you instead of counting calories to get a deficit then good work
@johnners "have to" is a bit strong. the weight had been creeping up slowly, losing muscle due to less training & riding, all/any fat i put on goes on my belly and it was time to address the problem.
first time in my life ive done a calorie controlled diet - I now have much more sympathy for folk trying to lose weight, certainly when its multiple stones as i understand how long a commitment it will take. Obviously most folk are not trying to shed every last pound of fat
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I had a quick look at the weight limits and all seemed to sit at 15 stone, so guess I won’t be going skydiving anytime soon. However a lot seemed to offer an increase in limit to 16st for a small fee. So given losing all the weight in the timeframe isn’t realistic, maybe speak to skydive place and see if the offer the extra limit, and then he can just be sensible between now and then to drop a few lb.
@johnners “have to” is a bit strong. the weight had been creeping up slowly, losing muscle due to less training & riding, all/any fat i put on goes on my belly and it was time to address the problem.
Ah, I see. Your "had to" had me thinking you maybe had a competition coming up with a weight category - the gruelling process you described had me thinking you'd have been in no shape to do something like that just after losing the weight. Still, 8% body fat is a pretty stringent target for someone who's not a pro athlete or keen bodybuilder.
Another fan of Mosley's Blood Sugar Diet.
I lost 2 stone in 6 weeks. Another stone and a half sticking to the low carb way of eating in the following year. That was 2.5 years ago - I've kept it off ever since and actually have to eat a little more than comfortable to ensure I don't lose any more.
Has no one else looked at the OPs username and figured the son thinks it's safer to just keep the weight and not be allowed to go? Just me then? o_O
I just lost a stone in four weeks. On tramadol so no booze and so constipated I couldn't face eating hardly anything. Also, doing nothing. A big chunk of muscle mass just dissapeared.
Fast 800 if not mentioned already. Lost 3 stone in 3 months.
I've not read the comments but my thoughts are, in order of importance:
1. he has to really want to do it.
=2. ditch processed foods (things from packets)
=2. ditch refined carbs (sugar, white bread / pasta / flour)
4. ditch dairy
5. ditch all animal products
Diet is 80% of the battle, so getting that right is most important.
Secondly, do as much exercise as you can (hours in the saddle).
I went from 79.1kg on 1st November to 74kg by the end of November, and 71kg by Xmas, after reading the book 'Fiber Fuelled' and experimenting with being vegan (most of the time).
1. he has to really want to do it.
=2. ditch processed foods (things from packets)
=2. ditch refined carbs (sugar, white bread / pasta / flour)
4. ditch dairy
5. ditch all animal products
1-2-3 make sense 4-5 have no relevance to weight loss. They are lifestyle choices.
Your body(in weight loss terms) doesn't care if the calorie comes from a blade of grass or a piece of a cow. What it does care about is the calories expended is more than calories In
Cancel the sky diving and buy him a Happy Meal instead.
slightly disagree trail_rat, on the basis that animal products are pretty calorie dense, so seems to make sense to drop them if possible... ymmv
slightly disagree trail_rat, on the basis that animal products are pretty calorie dense, so seems to make sense to drop them if possible… ymmv
Similar to the Atkins/keto diet above. Removing food groups is just lazy calorie restriction. By removing what normally makes up a large chunk of your plate your just playing psych games with your self.
Hence why when folk stop they latest fad diet it regularly comes back.
Having an honest understanding of what a portion/meal* is how you start a healthy life style**
* See the outrage at the calorie quantity's stated on menus for how little the GP has an understanding for what a constitutes a healthy portion.
** Actual health issues excepted
Hence why when folk stop they latest fad diet it regularly comes back.
I don't really get what point you're making here, calorie restriction also does not work, i bet most people have tried and failed that one.
Motor neurone disease is working pretty well for me
Sorry to hear about that cheese@4p - wishing you all the best.
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Weigth loss is all about your head and really wanting it - get that right and the weight will come off.
I have a tandem skydive planned with my son for his 21st birthday on June 12th . I told him 10 months ago there was a weight limit for his height ( the skydiving Centre paperwork gives a maximum weight for a given height ) . He needs to lose 1 stone but we’ve only got until June 12th to get it done .
Chevy he only had 1 and a half stone to lose in total 10 months ago but kept saying he was on track . Just yesterday he said to me he’s not really been trying and now he’s starting to worry about it .
Cancel his skydive and get a refund.
I don’t really get what point you’re making here, calorie restriction also does not work, i bet most people have tried and failed that one.
Oh I dunno possibly ?
Having an honest understanding of what a portion/meal* is how you start a healthy life style**
The biggest thing I see repeated on here when someone logs calories honestly in MFP or otherwise they have trouble actually hitting a deficit and struggle to understand how folk do it.
That's not the foods fault.
Years of lacklustre food education.
calorie restriction also does not work
Apologies if I'm misunderstanding but it's the only thing that works - how you achieve that deficit is up to you but if you don't restrict calories how can you possibly use up your fat stores?
so actually by your logic trail_rat, 1 makes sense but 2-5 have no relevance to weight loss?
Been a long time since I saw a food pyramid in anger but I don't recall processed and overly refined foods* featuring as one of the food groups - perhaps how ever it's been updated to reflect the modern day interpretation of a healthy diet.
* Waits for the one at the back to pipe up that everything's processed to some degree.....
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calorie restriction also does not workApologies if I’m misunderstanding but it’s the only thing that works – how you achieve that deficit is up to you but if you don’t restrict calories how can you possibly use up your fat stores?
Ah no, I'm not talking about that, I'm saying calorie restriction as the primary methodology of losing weight (as opposed to keto, fasting, etc).
This is with reference to Trail rat earlier in the thread dismissing "keto" as being just lazy calorie restriction.
Yet I don't believe what he's suggesting (calorie restriction by portion control) works at all for weight loss because you spend the entire time feeling lethargic, irritable and hungry. For whatever reason while either intermittent fasting or using a keto method you don't (after the first few days anyway).
Portion control works fine for maintaining weight or to lose a small amount but is next to impossible for a bloater to stick to long term.
Eat less, go hungry, eat non fatty foods. Exercise doesn't equal weight loss
I was thinking cardio is key and also cutting out all the sugary shit he seems to like . He’s very hard to motivate so that may be the hardest part but We’ve also told him that I’ll do everything that he does so hopefully he’ll see it a little less like torture
Lock him in his room?
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TBH, losing a stone of body fat in a little over a month if he's not got a good record of weight loss, doesn't sound like a recipe for success.
If it was up to me, I'd follow one of the diet plans someone mentioned above, which ever seems best suited to his personality, but really for the actual event, he only needs to weigh less, not be less fat. I'd recommended for the last few pounds wearing a couple of bin bags under his clothes and go for a run around the park to dehydrate himself, he'll feel like absolute shit on the morning, but it shouldn't take away from the experience, just makes sure he drinks lots of fluids afterwards before he goes on ' on the sesh' or there will be tears.
Divorce worked for me
Agree with @Multi21 - whilst you *must* calorie-restrict to lose weight what @trail_rat clearly doesn't have first-hand knowledge of is that far from being "lazy" keto is a method that makes calorie restriction achieveable.
Nobody loses weight by "eating less". That's why 70% of us are overweight or obese despite a lot of people trying. It's because being hungry sucks, and humans have not evolved to work by restricting themselves - and fighting evolution is a losing battle.
Keto works with it - you get into ketosis and all your hunger goes away - because your body has a ready source of calories - your body fat.
Then life becomes a much more simple matter of achievable willpower - to not eat or drink any carbs and to put up with all the jealous fat people who denigrate you out of jealousy whilst they remain fat.
1-2-3 make sense 4-5 have no relevance to weight loss. They are lifestyle choices.
Your body(in weight loss terms) doesn’t care if the calorie comes from a blade of grass or a piece of a cow. What it does care about is the calories expended is more than calories In
Veganism for weightloss, partly in the head (cutting out calorie dense foods), partly to do with health of your guts, at microbe level, so I have read.....
Instead of using an aeroplane to get to 20000 feet, take the stairs
I tried keto and I did find that I never felt hungry even with a large calorie deficit.
What I did struggle with though was dehydration. I found that I was thirsty all the time but if I tried to drink more I found I was just constantly going to the toilet.
Because of that (and just general difficulty in trying to maintain a special diet when you've got a family) I stopped it.
Similar to the Atkins/keto diet above. Removing food groups is just lazy calorie restriction. By removing what normally makes up a large chunk of your plate your just playing psych games with your self.
Totally disagree on this. By cutting out certain foodgroups you are able to play to the strengths of hormones and metabolic advantage ( or energy inefficiency of low carb)
Apologies if I’m misunderstanding but it’s the only thing that works – how you achieve that deficit is up to you but if you don’t restrict calories how can you possibly use up your fat stores?
This comes down to people being so wedded to calories in/calories out argument and not having a full understanding of human metabolism and how thermodynamics works.
This is how calories are measured
in a Bomb Calorimeter. It measures the energy reaction to burning food. the calories in food represent the heat generated by complete oxidation of food in a calorimeter in a completely controlled and repeatable environment
In the body this is very different. Types of macronutrient calories behave differently in the body and cause different feedback systems and hormones which control fat storage (insulin) hunger (grehlin), feeling full (leptin).
I mentioned earlier about "Metabolic advantage”. This refers to the idea that you can lose more weight, calorie-for-calorie on a particular diet, usually a low-carbohydrate diet.
Dr Richard Feinman does a much better job of explaining the 2nd rule of thermodynamics and why energy systems are impossible to be 100% efficient.
"The second law says that no machine is completely efficient. Some of the available energy is lost as heat and in the internal rearrangement of chemical compounds and other changes in entropy. In other words, although the first law holds even in irreversible processes – energy is still conserved – the second law says that something is lost, something is unrecoverable"
Published paper on 'A calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics
This comes down to people being so wedded to calories in/calories out argument
It's fine as long as you understand that calories in doesn't mean calories eaten but rather calories absorbed by your body. That's why it matters what you eat as well as when you eat.
Weight lifting, plenty of cardio and just try to eat as healthy as possible and less than what you normally would by a fair bit. Be consistent with it.
Assuming he still needs to do this. L-carnitine is probably the fastest legal (ex-liposuction) way to burn the excess fat in that time. You can buy it as a powder.
It will bind to the fat stored in your body and transport this to be used as fuel (instead of what you just ate/waiting for it to be produced naturally). Not sure I would recommend it's use long-term, but it works.
1 stone in a month seems like a lot though
Calorie deficit. 3 pounds a week is easily doable
That's ~12,000 calories a week deficit assuming an average man needs ~17,500 a week (7 x 2,500) to break even; you can only consume ~5,500 calories all week to lose 3 pounds = less than 800 calories per day.
Possible? Yes. Easy? Hell no!
