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Yup.
It's like dealing with the Stasi.
try bringing a non eu person into the UK as your husband / wife!
I did, it was easy for us, we only needed a marriage certificate and a few questions, but then that was over a decade ago. We're also both white.
As you point out, you are moving and not fully contributing - so most countries will not look on you favourably.
The best option maybe just to stay here.
Having lived in Germany, Switzerland ( twice) and Scotland, it’s not so bad - just get over the constant doom and apocalyptic postings on here.
On the other hand, I’ve found I pass the first cut for fast track Canadian immigration.
I'd say, 'lucky barsteward' but Saxon Rider might say different seeing as he's a Canadian over here.
Wish I'd tried for Canada years ago, probably around the time we joined what was then The Common Market.
try bringing a non eu person into the UK as your husband / wife!
It is a sad consequence of trying to tackle fake marriages, arranged marriages etc as a way to UK residence and passport.
Strangely a UK passport and residence is attractive to lots of people who don't post on here
Yes really this, why do you think it would be a problem Drj ?
Because the situation has changed in the past and may change again in the future, one source of concern being restrictions on leaving the UK without having been deemed to have abandoned her "application" (and why does she have to "apply" to keep what was hers anyway?). With people like Johnson and Patel in charge I'm not filled with confidence.
C_G: come on up anyway. We will do our best to make you feel welcome here and maybe a more open minded, understanding GP might just be the icing on the cake that you need.
Aw, you're very kind highlandman. Unfortunately Lyme has been swept under the carpet as far as Government and NHS is concerned but really it's an issue worldwide.
If only we were a member of a large union that would protect our rights…. Oh yes, you voted to leave it
Houns - you can not get away from the fact that the Government handled this very badly, as I've stated before. Did you make any representation to your local MP? Government are answerable to its citizens first and foremost and i don't see it as the remit of the EU to become involved in how the UK is run. Nevertheless I can see this rumbling on for years to come due to Tories not wanting to leave, now more than ever we need citizens to hammer home that Tories are so blinkered and self-serving that they have absolutely no idea of how their actions have detrimentally affected so many. It's time for a reform of politics.
This thread is about people being detrimentally affected by blinkered and self-serving people bringing an end to freedom of movement for others.
Just to illustrate how much we create worry based on our own flawed perceptions. I was reading the GE stories on our local newpaper site. This is a previous Labour heartland that's elected a few new Tory MPs.
In the comments section, there was this gem. Yes that's right. A diasbled person on benefits getting excited at the prospect of a Tory government postively reforming their area and their benefits.
...My wife and I voted Tory on Thursday for the first time. We've given you the benefit of the doubt here. You're on trial. Sweeten your welfare reforms and remember the present
private medical tests for PIPS and ESA are rotten to the core. Most people are refused their benefits then two thirds of appealers win. You'll also be judged on the NHS, this area's economy, social care and education. Let us down and it'll be be another party that gets the stomping majority ...
My true blue Tory Brexiteer parents were adamant that this "new" Tory government had been voted in on trust and needed to deliver on their promises. I'm saying nothing - as their only child I potentially have a lot to gain if the NHS fails them before they need social care....
Read an interesting, if overblown, opinion piece yesterday about "poor" people voting Tory due to nationwide Stockholm Syndrome, but can't find the link now
…My wife and I voted Tory on Thursday for the first time. We’ve given you the benefit of the doubt here. You’re on trial.
Lucky they haven't been "on trial" for the past 9 years then, eh?
That was a different kind of Conservative, the fluffy wuffy lefty ones who legalised gay marriage and brought a nice kitty to Downing street.
A marriage certificate on its own is rarely enough to convince immigration officials in any country. For example in France:
One of the gems of my brother getting French citizenship* last year was being told our mother's death certificate was too old as it hadn't been issued within the last 3 months 😃
*he's lived and worked in France for 37yrs and been married to lovely French woman for the past 15
My wife need to start the process of getting paperwork to stay in France. I registered the wedding at French consulate before we moved.
Try listening to the early ones on Socrates and the Stoics. These guys lived through some bad shit, their thoughts on worrying about shit you can’t know or control is simple and profound.
Hmmm... thing is we rarely get to muse over the philosophers who didn't live through bad shit.
I don’t understand why being married doesn’t let you stay in her country of birth? You are married yes?
Due to a rather bizarre loophole.
It will allow them to live in any other EU country BUT the one of her birth because to use this she needs to be exercising her rights as a EU citizen ....
At least this is how the UK have interpreted this...and it would be expected that we get reciprocity? [OH is EU national and our son was born here but she could still be deported]
In the comments section, there was this gem. Yes that’s right. A diasbled person on benefits getting excited at the prospect of a Tory government postively reforming their area and their benefits.
There was such a person on - I think - C4 News. The journo asked her why she'd voted Tory. The girl said something about not believing Labour spending plans. The journo asked if she wasn't concerned by the way the Tories cut disability benefit. She replied that she didn't follow politics that much.
It will allow them to live in any other EU country BUT the one of her birth because to use this she needs to be exercising her rights as a EU citizen ….
Sounds interesting .... might be an option !!
C_G : You’re welcome, in both senses.
I’m aware of several GPs up here who are supporting chronic Lyme patients; there’s certainly a recognition of it here and a move to have better treatment become the norm.
Among those GPs is a German national, who has worked for the NHS for 9 years now. She’s very worried by the toxic comments from Boris, where he was so recently criticising EU nationals for treating the UK as their home. What an unbelievable attitude. This is her home and she’s been making a very positive contribution for a long time now.
How does this work?
If you bought a holiday home in Spain and paid all your taxes would you be able to be an EU citizen?
How about if I bought the shittiest house in Bulgaria with a few mates?
Nope, not between now and 31/12.
You could get residency in whichever country, using whatever their rules are to gain a residence permit. You would then be a resident in the EU but not an EU citizen.
Or you could get residency of that country (as above), and then qualify for citizenship for that country (often 5-7 years, passing a language test, passing citizenship test etc.), and if granted, then yes you would be a citizen of that country, and then an EU citizen.
Dunno what the rules for Bulgaria are like now, but it used t be that you had to be a Bulgarian citizen to buy a house. Then they joined EU, and had to relax that law to be any EU/EEA citizen. I have no idea if the law now says that non-EU are also allowed to buy. You'll be OK if you buy that house, erm by tomorrow. No need to buy, rent must be cheap as chips too.
We are moving to Scotland this summer so with luck we will be able to become EU citizens again if wee Krankie gets her way.
It's not a question of being an EU citizen, it's the ability to live, work and get health care if you are living and legally registered in the country. That means getting pre-settled status or settled status in the UK (it's free and if you've already paid the fee is reimbursed under the agreement) before 31/12/2020. In France it means getting a (free) carte de séjour before 31/12/2020. In theory at least there's a similar system in every EU country because that's what's agreed in the withdrawal agreement.
If you want the be an EU citizen then you'll have to apply for and get nationality of one of the 27.
Getting my swedish passport tomorrow, good timing!
Congratulations. The first person I knew who applied for French nationality after Brexit got nationality last year. The other two who applied a bit later are now just waiting and there was a report on the TV recently about a refusal for someone in France for 25 years as their income is too low. It looks like France is taking the reciprocity aspect seriously. Tit for tat, no more passports for the poor just settled status.
I'd be happy with settled residence. How can I get that?
Anyone want a share of this?
cheers, I've been a citizen now for a year or so, but a passport is quite symbolic, for me anyhow.
I actually think I will have a tinge of sadness when I collect it.
there was a report on the TV recently about a refusal for someone in France for 25 years as their income is too low. It looks like France is taking the reciprocity aspect seriously. Tit for tat, no more passports for the poor just settled status.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51280617
That's the guy, footflaps, it made France 3 news with exactly the same story. I wonder how many French people in France who had applications turned down managed to get 33 000 signatures of support?
Why would French people in France even need to apply?
the fluffy wuffy lefty ones who legalised gay marriage
That’ll have been the Lib Dem’s in coalition.
Thanks for pointing out the error, doomanic, I meant to say French people in the UK. In other words do people love their French neighbours enough to try and help them?