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Just asking like...
A couple of million I guess...
Who knows - Does it matter though?
For someone who risks his life to save others?
Worth every penny.
Most done by m.o.d and this doesn't happen all the time so it's good drills for them,don't know how much it would cost,what I want to know is why they want the infection in this country.
what I want to know is why they want the infection in this country.
They don't want it. But they are doing what we would all want, treating a seriously ill person. In doing this they are both, hopefully, saving his life whilst also learning more about the treatment of this illness and perhaps therefore saving other lives.
They don't want the infection in the country, they went to treat someone who volunteered to do the same.
Exactly what I was asking franksinatra.
You have to look after people who do things like this, if you want people to do things like this. Same as the military.
The cost isn't important. Keeping the faith is.
A couple of million I guess...
He may well have travel insurance, cost would be less than £100k (max) IMO. If he didn't have travel insurance I'd be more than happy for the state to pay to repatriate someone doing voluntarily medical work. It also gives our medical experts a chance to treat the virus and learn about it, potentially invaluable information
Saving lives where,the whole of Africa,and who's going to pay for that...them?
Potentially globally. Various tax payers world wide.
He's a nurse working with Ebola patients so it may be that the organisation he was working with may have insurance or an agreement with Govt for this kind of thing.
£2million seem way to much - wasn't it an RAF plane that brought him back? I can't see an RAF medevac flight to West Africa costing that much and happy to stump up from my taxes.
what I want to know is why they want the infection in this country
Come on ricky1 ,get that old imagination going.
Maybe they want to weaponize the disease,so they need to work on a sample in the UK .
There's no need to weaponise it,it's uncontrollable as it is.
Maybe they want to weaponize the disease,so they need to work on a sample in the UK .
I have faith that a rebel employee will hijack a helicopter and some how be able to fly around the country without refuelling and not appearing on GPS tracking
There's no need to weaponise it,it's uncontrollable as it is.
ricky1 ,come on ,you are not thinking this through,an uncontrolable weaponized disease is no good to anyone.
Drac the MOD have invisible helicopters that run on clouds,it would be easy for that rebel employee to escape and fly anywhere in the country.
Op,have some compassion.
I agree entirely with paying for it.
But on a beurocratic note, who actualy pays for it? Does the MOD have a petty cash tin? Or the NHS? Or does Giddeon actualy have a heart and soul and find the change down the back of the etonian club sofa?
Why does asking out of interest, how much an operation like this would cost to finance make somebody devoid of compassion?
Nobody asked "How much does this cost because I reckon it could be millions and I think that's its poor value for money and they should just leave him there to get better....or not get better?"
It's hard to think that it's the same guy I went to school with. So I'd say I'm happy to pay out of my taxes to at least get him home.
In terms of taxes, most of it just goes on-top of the national debt. So we're not really paying for it, our children and grandchildren are.
In this case, I don't mind, but it will be in the millions not the thousands.
How much to bring ebola patient back to the UK ? Who pays ?
Who cares ?
Given that it's on the front pages of most of the papers, have they paid for the story?
Will this go some way to reimbursing costs, or is it just an exercise in spreading fear?
Did anyone ever get SARS or Birdflu?
Given the investment in biological weapons over the years at Porton Down, you'd hope they'd find a cure too!!
I can't see an RAF medevac flight to West Africa costing that much and happy to stump up from my taxes.
Maybe not, but then you're not a troll looking for a reason to be outraged.
Did anyone ever get SARS or Birdflu?
Yes.
[url= http://www.who.int/csr/sars/country/table2004_04_21/en/ ]SARS: over 8000 cases worldwide with 775 deaths.[/url]
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Bird Flu: 650 cases with 386 deaths (still ongoing)[/url]
Given the investment in biological weapons over the years at Porton Down, you'd hope they'd find a cure too!!
You don't really have a clue about what goes on there, do you?
Given that it's on the front pages of most of the papers, have they paid for the story?
Are you drunk as your questions can't be off of a man in a sober state.
anyone know what they flew him in? Let's say it was a Hercules - according to this article ( http://nation.time.com/2013/04/02/costly-flight-hours/ ) a standard hercules would cost 14k USD an hour flight time. Freetown to London by passenger jet is 6 and a half hours. Return flight so 13 hours. Hercules is a lot slower than a passenger jet so 22 hours = 307kUSD or 185k GBP Plus, say, a two-day lay-over which I am making a wild guess would cost 100k GBP. So about 285kGBP before taking into consideration doctors and medical equipment. It could easily run to half a million.
In terms of who pays, it would be quite a good insurance policy that would pay out for catching ebola while in west africa treating ebola patients. Even if it was covered by the insurance, does the RAF commercial work in return for money?
It was an raf c17.
personally I'm happy for my taxes to pay for that.
Anyone whinging should better hope not to need and consulate assistance while abroad as that costs our money too.
Self centered arseholes who are asking why should wonder what they can do to help humanity rather than being dicks
ricky1 - Member
Saving lives where,the whole of Africa,and who's going to pay for that...them?
The government of whichever country it happens to occur in, rather like what's happening now, along with the various charities, again, rather like what's happening now.
The attempt to provoke some sort of justified outrage concerning the cost is really rather sad. It's in [i]everyone's[/i] best interest to make sure this disease is controlled, and not allowed to spread any further.
The failure to do so by any government would amount to gross dereliction of duty to its people.
We can only be truly thankful that this disease doesn't have an airborne vector.
We can only be truly thankful that this disease doesn't have an airborne vector.
..and that some people are prepared to try and deal with it, even if they are putting themselves ant risk.
A very good use of tax payers money. If overseas volunteers know the UK 'has their back' and will step in when the shit hits the fan etc, then that's a good thing all round.
Yes.SARS: over 8000 cases worldwide with 775 deaths.
H5N1 Bird Flu: 650 cases with 386 deaths (still ongoing)
It's a shame, but pretty minimal danger:
Bikes are a lot more dangerous than that
Cars even more so
Given the investment in biological weapons over the years at Porton Down, you'd hope they'd find a cure too!!You don't really have a clue about what goes on there, do you?
Do you?
The Anthrax sent in letters after 9/11 apparently originated from CIA labs at Fort Detrick
It's a shame, but pretty minimal danger:
Bikes are a lot more dangerous than that
Cars even more so
That depends how you measure danger really. Those figures suggest SARS killed about one in ten people that caught it and H5N1 kills over half.
Cars and bikes aren't more dangerous than that, they are just a lot more common.
H5N1 and SARS (and Ebola) had/have the potential to become common if they were/are not contained and treated or if they mutate.
Countzero maybe you should direct your rant at the OP,if you didn't realise money is what this thread is about.
Pretty standard policy to repatriate British Citizens in times of need I believe. No idea of the cost in this instance. Same principle as recovering an injured MTBer off a mountain in Wales really, except more expensive.
Cars and bikes kill more? Eh! Why is that even relevant. Next up, alcohol kills more.
[b]jivehoneyjive[/b] - Member..
Bikes are a lot more dangerous than that
Cars even more so
Drac, highlighted something you might have missed? measurements are made in tinfoil hats - common sense and facts not included
Drac, did you miss something? measurements are made in tinfoil hats
I bet there's a government conspiracy holding back the vaccine for getting run over by a car so there pharmaceutical giants can add mind controlling drugs.
Whilst insults, accusations and assumptions are flying about, has anybody even suggested that the original question was borne out of a desire to imply that the cost and payment (whenever that maybe and paid by whom that maybe) is unreasonable or is it an interested enquiry as to how much the cost is?
I'm interested in how much something like this would cost. That is all. No other motive. Just an interest in how much this would cost.
Calm down.
Facts are always included, common sense is open to interpretation.
If they lied about:
WMDs in Iraq
Bush family and CIA links to Nazi funding
GCHQ/NSA Surveillance
Jimmy Savile's multiple prior investigations
Cyril Smith & Mi5
Mi5 Involvement in Kincora
2008 financial crisis
Selling off Royal Mail
What lies have they managed to keep hidden?
Saying that, it's not really what I'm getting at in this instance; strange how the news always focuses on FEAR, despite relatively minimal risk.
Probably just my subconscious looking for an excuse to mention the old 'as likely to be killed by a bee as a terrorist' line 😀
Given extensive research into biological weapons, you'd be silly not to wonder for a moment if any of these mystery diseases first came about in a petri dish...
I'm not concerned at the cost, but the wisdom of repatriation and using one of the only two isolation beds available; as well as the risk - however slight - of importing the disease here. Wouldn't it be far better to have flown whatever equipment was needed there to aid not only him, but all the other cases?
The difficulty is in saying "how much did it cost to do X" versus "How much of the cost of running a Hercules can be attributed to X".
So if it costs £3.65 million (completely made up for the purposes of the example) a year to run a Hercules then we can say it's £10,000 a day. The 'mission' took 4 days so that's £40,000.
But if they hadn't gone on the trip then the air crew would still have been paid. They weren't freelancers who were only hired for the 4 days (presumably). Same for the plane, it still has to be inspected every X weeks, maybe regardless of flying time? It certainly has to be stored and secured somewhere when it isn't in the air. For every hour it's in the air there's a saving on hangar space and security guards!
You can count the cost of the fuel, certainly, and maybe the costs of housing the crew while they're abroad if there's an overnight stop.
Same goes for the cost of the hospital treatment (that i'm sure will be reported at some point). A certain (large) amount of hospital resources will go into treating the patient, but if he wasn't there they wouldn't demolish the quarantine unit that he's in. It still needs to be cleaned and kept warm, stocked and ready for patients. Some of the medics treating him would still be on call etc.
Facts are always included, common sense is open to interpretation.If they lied about...
That's the thing with the lizard people, the Bilderberg Group, and the Trilateral Commission. They are sneaky.
Their best trick is employing people to appear as ranting nutters on internet forums to perpetuate the idea that all conspiracy theorists have a tenuous grasp on reality.
The short answer is that the tax payer pays, but most of the costs are not extra costs, they are already being paid (as explained so eloquently by Bails)
That's the thing with the lizard people, the Bilderberg Group, and the Trilateral Commission. They are sneaky.Their best trick is employing people to appear as ranting nutters on internet forums to perpetuate the idea that all conspiracy theorists have a tenuous grasp on reality.
It's OK Graham, I'm not the judgmental type, everyone needs to let off steam once in a while, get it off your back son 😉
he difficulty is in saying "how much did it cost to do X" versus "How much of the cost of running a Hercules can be attributed to X".So if it costs £3.65 million (completely made up for the purposes of the example) a year to run a Hercules then we can say it's £10,000 a day. The 'mission' took 4 days so that's £40,000.
But if they hadn't gone on the trip then the air crew would still have been paid. They weren't freelancers who were only hired for the 4 days (presumably). Same for the plane, it still has to be inspected every X weeks, maybe regardless of flying time? It certainly has to be stored and secured somewhere when it isn't in the air. For every hour it's in the air there's a saving on hangar space and security guards!
You can count the cost of the fuel, certainly, and maybe the costs of housing the crew while they're abroad if there's an overnight stop.
Same goes for the cost of the hospital treatment (that i'm sure will be reported at some point). A certain (large) amount of hospital resources will go into treating the patient, but if he wasn't there they wouldn't demolish the quarantine unit that he's in. It still needs to be cleaned and kept warm, stocked and ready for patients. Some of the medics treating him would still be on call etc.
Then if they want to save money, they can also count such flights as a training exercises/routine annual flying hours. All of which will have been paid for already.
Wouldn't it be far better to have flown whatever equipment was needed there to aid not only him, but all the other cases?
So dismantle one of the few facilities we have, fly it to Africa with a specialist team, rebuild it and then treat the guy makes more sense than flying the guy to the centre.
You're on to something there. Right we can save billions each year by leaving people where they are and building a hospital ward around them rather than transport them to hospital.
I'm not concerned at the cost, but the wisdom of repatriation and using one of the only two isolation beds available; as well as the risk - however slight - of importing the disease here. Wouldn't it be far better to have flown whatever equipment was needed there to aid not only him, but all the other cases?
What are those isolation beds for then? And how do you expect our doctors to be at their best if they never get to test their training on real scenarios?
You forget that whilst Ebola is nasty, bringing back a patient and isolating him is good training for future events that could involve far worse pathogens.
That's the thing with the lizard people, the Bilderberg Group, and the Trilateral Commission. They are sneaky.Their best trick is employing people to appear as ranting nutters on internet forums to perpetuate the idea that all conspiracy theorists have a tenuous grasp on reality.
You're absolutely right, although you did leave out the Illuminati, much more pernicious.
what I want to know is why they want the infection in this country.
What makes you think it hasn't already been in this country?
uselesshippy - Member
Op,have some compassion.
Not sure where that came from...I don't believe I mentioned anything to show that I wasn't compassionate...
Good answers...Hope he makes a speedy recovery
Cough cough, sneeze and sniff..
We're all doomed!
Nobody would complain if they themselves were rescued and brought back.
Reading about the poor chap in the paper today, I'm glad he is back on home soil and getting the best medical attention. What an altruistic person. Get well soon Mr Pooley!