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Yup, same in most branches of engineering.
Not in Telecoms, not presented a paper (nor written one) in years. Only did them in the early years as it looked good on the CV, now can't be arsed. Even stopped bothering with Patents as I have enough for the CV and they're a load of extra hassle...
Have we talked about the cost of indemnity yet? 😈
Do you actually believe that medicine is the only career with these requirements?
No, but I believe it's not [i]"the case for the majority of industries"[/i].
But I'll ask the Food Industry guy behind the counter at the cafe just to make sure 😆
It's even written into my contract that anything i produce in my own time is owned by the company
Same here. But I'm not then required by the company to do academic research for them in my own time - because I'd want paid for that!
However, I'm struggling to see through the fog and haze where the really problems with this change of contract come from.
Because when my wife signed her contract 7 years ago there were certain T&C's. The pay and career progression that she signed up for is not now what she is getting, and will get considerably worse.
Again as said earlier. If you want to attract acdemic elite to a profession, you can not treat them like shit and pay them salaries that are not competitive.
If you do go down that route you attract mediocre candidates and get mediocre results.
I earn just over the average UK salary, so I guess I am Mr Average in that way. I could not even begin to work the hours and retain the knowledge that my wife has to.
If you do go down that route you attract mediocre candidates and get mediocre results.
The Tories wish to recast the NHS in their own image!
But I'll ask the Food Industry guy behind the counter at the cafe just to make sure
I didn't mean that, I meant in comparable type roles in other industries, of course the guy in the supermarket doesn't. However, I'm talking consultancy type jobs filled primarily by people who went to top Uni's.
Based on a look around within 2 years you'll be on £30k and possibly more for overtime, is that really that bad pay for only 2 years experience? I don't see how career progression changes with the new contract. The only significant change is around the hours.
Based on a look around within 2 years you'll be on £30k and possibly more for overtime, is that really that bad pay for only 2 years experience?
It's okay but not fantastic - as someone pointed out earlier [url= http://www.****/news/article-2905829/Aldi-s-42k-starting-salary-graduates-City-banks-offer-50k-student-job-hunters.html ]graduates training as managers at Aldi start on up to £42k[/url]!
But the point isn't the money (depsite the thread title) it is that they are being de-valued and the ones doing the toughest jobs with the most unsociable hours are now being asked to do even more for a lot less money.
In short the government has realised that the only way they can get this ridiculous "24/7 NHS" idea to work is if they pay everyone a lot less and stop rewarding those prepared to work the unsociable hours.
It's easy to pick an outlier in Aldi (plus I bet there are some hidden downsides in the small print), try however Tesco, JL, Boots, McDs, Co-op and M&S who all offer a more realistic region of £21 - 27k.
I don't think the public do see 24/7 NHS as a ridiculous idea, people get ill 24/7, and people under the current system are having to take leave for straight forward GP visits
Seriously?Engineering (just not apparently software
I've been working 20 years in engineering and never been required to produce an academic paper. If I had and had to present it at a conference I'd be expecting it to be paid for.
Dragon are you seriously suggesting that someone with the academic ability to run a McDonalds could make a doctor too? Doctors are the equivalent of the MD/CEO of McDonalds. Generally if you don't go to med school you become a lawyer, city bod, accountant etc. Those types of job generally pay £250k +
In terms of 24/7 service, I think all would agree it's a good thing, but how do you want to finance it? My wife isn't bothered about working at the weekend so long as she gets paid for it, and gets time off in the week. But that's not what is currently being offered.
Doctors are the equivalent of the MD/CEO of McDonalds.
You reckon?
How many CEOs of Billion $ multi-nationals are there and how many GPs.....
Dragon are you seriously suggesting that someone with the academic ability to run a McDonalds could make a doctor too? Doctors are the equivalent of the MD/CEO of McDonalds.
Err, no. Don't you know any doctors? Most are as useless as anyone else.
dragon - MemberI don't think the public do see 24/7 NHS as a ridiculous idea
It isn't. That's why we already have a 24/7 NHS. But routine things should run on routine timings. Complaining that you have to take time off when you want to work, and insisting that other people should have to work when you don't want to, for no other reason than your convenience is just selfish frankly.
If you want to speak to me at my work, you need to do it while I'm open. Life is so hard.
But hey, the NHS already does that too, with many surgeries providing early and late openings, weekends, etc, not to mention minor injuries clinics and the like.
dragon - Member
I don't think the public do see 24/7 NHS as a ridiculous idea
Of course they don't, but they're not too keen on paying for it.
Or would you welcome a massive hike in income tax just so you can get your ingrowing toenail seen to at 3am?
Even if we could afford it (which we can't) most hospitals and surgeries are short staffed on the current opening times. Where are all the extra doctors, surgeons, nurses, technicians, porters, social workers, etc etc going to come from?
people get ill 24/7
They do, and those people can use the existing 24/7 cover like NHS24, walk-in centres, minor injuries clinics, out-of-hours GP on-call, evening and weekend GP clinics, and for really serious stuff, A&E.
I always fail to understand. How is any of this a surprise ??
The Tories are completely 100% committed to destroying the NHS.
Hunt's even written books about it FFS. It's the last bit of socialism left and they want it gone ASAP & it's all going to plan nicely
Doctor's striking or leaving is just grist for their mill.
PFI, Agency Staff and £11.3 Billion vapourware systems.. The NHS has no chance....