I thought it was obvious that we are net contributors. What is your point?
captainsasquatch & igm,
You need to educate me on this so what is your simple answer for a simpleton like me.
Simple one word answer will do so what say you?
More or less.
😆
slowoldman - MemberI thought it was obvious that we are net contributors. What is your point?
For a simpleton like me I don't understand the meaning of net contributors.
All I want to know is if my "investment/money put into EU" get the necessary "Return on investment/money taken back".
So what say you?
More or less.
Not difficult to answer innit since you lot go the facts.
chewkw - MemberSimple question to all you remainders about EU contribution.
When UK contributes to the EU are UK taking back more than UK put in?
Simple answer like "more" or "less" will do.
The answer is simple.
The answer is "why?". As in what colour is success. How can we measure success in grams? How many people can we get in a chair? And how many can fit in Mini especially when some are larger that the others?
Do me a favour and answer a question before putting yours in bold.
Look here, another brexit hijack trying to justify something. 🙄
Nope what would you get for it? We weren't in Schengen anyway and passport lines really don't bother me, it is an insignificant part of the trip.
Add an aside I voted remain but if Brexit means universities can't just get cheap labour from elsewhere and have to invest in their own researchers, then that's a positive in my book.
Ah my dear chewkw, you have now, I see, asked a different question.
All I want to know is if my "investment/money put into EU" get the necessary "Return on investment/money taken back".
The OBR think that we make more by being in the EU that our contribution to the EU, hence the forecasts this week.
That do you?
And in return, what's your answer? 😆
captainsasquatch - Member
"More" or "less" my good man.
Simple answer please.
igm - Member
All I want to know is if my "investment/money put into EU" get the necessary "Return on investment/money taken back".
Ah my dear chewkw, you have I see now as,ed a different question.
Actually I was trying to simplify the question further to avoid misinterpretation but I guess I added to the confusion innit. Me bad.
The OBR think that we make more by being in the EU that our contribution to the EU, hence the forecasts this week.That do you?
So we take more back from EU?
"More" you said? Just to confirm.
Peter Lilly MP was on RT earlier he and George Galloway were very upset by John Major pushing for a 2nd referendum, Id love to have seen them address this issue too 😈
The daily mail would equally have a shit fit
The time my steadfast remain friends has long passed to be angry with the brexy quitters for trying touring Britain, but rather to laugh at their pathetic flapping as they see their chances fading.
Stay optimistic Brexies 😆
"More" or "less" my good man.Simple answer please.
I've shown you where Google is, now be a good little boy and pop along there and do some real research. You might be surprised. You will be surprised.
Actually I was trying to simplify the question further to avoid misinterpretation but I guess I added to the confusion innit. Me bad.
No you're not, I believe that what you are doing is being deliberately obtuse (some call it trolling). you are responding to questions with ever more infantile questions and rants. You try and derail every EU thread and it really is boring as it adds nothing. At least jambalya is amusing in his claims, because he does, at least, make claims.
Add an aside I voted remain but if Brexit means universities can't just get cheap labour from elsewhere and have to invest in their own researchers, then that's a positive in my book.
I can assure you that its not about cheap labour (non-EU visas are expensive! skype interviews a pain etc), its 100% about getting the very best candidates for the job, its one of the reasons that Britain is a wold leader in scientific research, its also brilliant for fostering international collaborations which is a lynchpin of modern scientific research.
Id also like to point out that I supervise students of many nationalities, its not fair to generalise and maybe we only see the best foreign students here but frustratingly I find often its the british ones with the poorer work ethic.
kimbers - Member
Peter Lilly MP was on RT earlier he and George Galloway were very upset by John Major pushing for a 2nd referendum, Id love to have seen them address this issue too
The daily mail would equally have a shit fit
What 2nd referendum? You pushing for [b]2nd[/b] referendum? 😆
Oh C'mon ... remainders have all the facts so now I am trying to understand remainders fact. See, see I am even opened to information from The Guardians (assuming you use them). 😛captainsasquatch - Member
"More" or "less" my good man.
Simple answer please.
I've shown you where Google is, now be a good little boy and pop along there and do some real research. You might be surprised. You will be surprised.
Check the OBR statements Chewkw. They ain't difficult to find, and they are well placed to make forecasts.
Just make sure you read them more carefully than Gove, Redwood, Lilley and Stuart did. Fools.
igm - Member
Check the OBR statements Chewkw. They ain't difficult to find, and they are well placed to make forecasts.Just make sure you read them more carefully than Gove, Redwood, Lilley and Stuart did. Fools.
I ain't good at numbers.
Just in case I interpret them wrongly so now I have to rely on the remainders for that number.
Simple confirmation will do.
Add an aside I voted remain but if Brexit means universities can't just get cheap labour from elsewhere and have to invest in their own researchers, then that's a positive in my book.
I can only assume from this statement that you know the square root of FA about university research and what is required to generate ideas and data to fuel the economy. For a start it is the same price or more expensive to employ a non-uk national so no savings for universities there. To stay on top Universities need the best researchers that there are regardless of what language they think in. Plenty of investment is made for UK researchers but if they fail to live up to the required standard then why should they get preferential treatment?
Oh C'mon ... remainders have all the facts so now I am trying to understand remainders fact. See, see I am even opened to information from The Guardians (assuming you use them).
'kin idiot.
Lovin' your work, Chewkw. 😉
Still laughing at you. 😆
I can assure you that I know plenty having for a while run one of the main PhD schemes in the UK, and universities would rather take a 35 year old with a track record from elsewhere in the EU for cheap money, than spend the money and effort developing UK PhD students into world class researchers. And those EU researchers often have little loyalty to the UK. All the while UK PhD students leave research or go elsewhere like the US or Australia. At least if the UK ran a scheme like Spain where they incentivise researchers to come back home it might not be so bad. (Its not just EU researchers mind, UK universities are addicted to cheap labour from around the world.)
Didn't it work out at around £200 per person?
I'd pay that to keep my EU benefits, and I'm skint 🙂
And those EU researchers often have little loyalty to the UK.
I wonder whether they go back home and help develop their country which ultimately provides the UK with incomes in the way that the EU is supposed to work. Shot in the dark.
You have not given me an answer yet. 😆captainsasquatch - Member
Oh C'mon ... remainders have all the facts so now I am trying to understand remainders fact. See, see I am even opened to information from The Guardians (assuming you use them).
'kin idiot.
Glad to hear that you are laughing with me.igm - Member
Lovin' your work, Chewkw.
Still laughing at you.
You see at least you have attempted to give some sort of "answer" unlike the person above.
Glad to hear that you are laughing with me. You see at least you have attempted to give some sort of "answer" unlike the person above.
I'm here all night, it's a slow night shift. Give me a clue about the UK net contribution to the EU before you talk about folks not answering questions.
and universities would rather take a 35 year old with a track record from elsewhere in the EU for cheap money,
??
Im well aware that science pay is shit, but every team leader I know will take the best researcher they can get, regardless of nationality, thats how the RAE system works
fortunately there are some brilliant EU schemes like Horizon 2020 and ERASMUS that support researchers all over europe and of course the UK receives the largest share of that funding, sadly we will be leaving those schemes.
As for european researchers not being loyal to the UK, many of my eurpean colleagues have been very happy to live, work and pay taxes here for many, many years, they to a man and woman were quite shocked by the referendum and now face difficult choices about staying in a country they no longer fee welcome in, extra tough for those who have young families here.
Can you not see though that by enabling cheap labour to come in from the EU it enables universities to keep wages low rather than paying market rates. All my friends with PhDs left Uni and were on big wages quickly unlike those who stayed in research, that was less the case 30 odd years ago.
As for being unwelcome well that's rubbish there are welcome as are others from outside the EU provided due prices is followed, as it would be if you wanted to work elsewhere. If they were shocked by the result they should get out more and visit areas outside of their little academia bubble.
Double post 🙁
Not trying to wind you up btw as I genuinely don't know the meaning of "net contribution" i.e. I do not understand what goes into the term net contribution, hence I have to ask for a simplified answer of whether UK put in more/less and take back more/less.captainsasquatch - Member
I'm here all night, it's a slow night shift. Give me a clue about the UK net contribution to the EU before you talk about folks not answering questions.Glad to hear that you are laughing with me. You see at least you have attempted to give some sort of "answer" unlike the person above.
Double post. 😮
Not trying to wind you up btw as I genuinely don't know the meaning of "net contribution" i.e. I do not understand what goes into the term net contribution, hence I have to ask for a simplified answer of whether UK put in more/less and take back more/less?
Don't worry dude, I'm not wound up in the slightest. I'm concerned that someone who can't do the simplest Google search for themselves was given the right to vote. It's a sad state of affairs. Look what happened when they let the stupids vote in the USA.
Can you not see though that by enabling cheap labour to come in from the EU it enables universities to keep wages low rather than paying market rates. All my friends with PhDs left Uni and were on big wages quickly unlike those who stayed in research, that was less the case 30 odd years ago.
So they moved into industries that could also import cheap labour from the EU , how were they not affected similarly then?
We also employ non EU workers are they driving wages down too, do we just ban all foreign workers?
Your argument makes no dense
Science is underfunded here because our government puts in less than any other country in the developed world as a % of gdp!
If it wasn't for the contribution from the EU it would be even worse!
As for being unwelcome well that's rubbish there are welcome as are others from outside the EU provided due prices is followed, as it would be if you wanted to work elsewhere. If they were shocked by the result they should get out more and visit areas outside of their little academia bubble.
Obviously you and they don't read the daily mail 🙂
From back in April
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35943216 ]UK's contribution to the EU Budget[/url]
Shows net contribution of £8.4ish billion pa.
If we take the UK population as 64 million that's £131 a head. Though to be fair you should probably only calculate the contribution on the basis of the working population. That's 38 million which indicates a contribution of £221 each. Of course that's an average as EU contribution comes from general taxation.
So it's less than many of us spend on a mobile phone, car tax or insurance, cable, gym membership, etc. etc. Whether you think it's value for money depends on you. I certainly think it's worth more than any of the alternative items I list above.
How can youse come up with a positive figure for that? surely you need to offset against the cost of leaving?
How can youse come up with a positive figure for that? surely you need to offset against the cost of leaving?
That's for those who voted to leave to pay. 😛
I's a very simple calculation to show how much we are paying per head at the moment. We can start adding all sorts of charges to balance the books in favour of whichever argument you want.
The figure doesn't take into account the £220bn of anual EU exports, nor imprts from the EU, nor the effect of future trade tarrfis. If only we had strong leadership to outline these figure so we can make informed decisions. 😕
Too late for that now. Probs.
if it were £100 Then they should do gift cards because there's quite a few brexiteer relatives I'd like to get one for. Would mean I could enjoy at least one Christmas.
doesn't take the 15% drop in the pound into account either.aptainsasquatch - Member
How can youse come up with a positive figure for that? surely you need to offset against the cost of leaving?That's for those who voted to leave to pay.
I's a very simple calculation to show how much we are paying per head at the moment. We can start adding all sorts of charges to balance the books in favour of whichever argument you want.
The figure doesn't take into account the £220bn of anual EU exports, nor imprts from the EU, nor the effect of future trade tarrfis. If only we had strong leadership to outline these figure so we can make informed decisions.
Too late for that now. Probs.
It's not too late anyhow, sense just needs to prevail. Will cost us, even if sense does prevail.
Question should be how much you willing to pay to lose membership. (Plus alot of us can retain citizenship if we ever need it anyhow.)
doesn't take the 15% drop in the pound into account either.
That'll sort itself out once we take the $$$Dollar$$$.
captainsasquatch - MemberDon't worry dude, I'm not wound up in the slightest. I'm concerned that someone who can't do the simplest Google search for themselves was given the right to vote. It's a sad state of affairs. Look what happened when they let the stupids vote in the USA.
CaptS - chewkw is nowhere near as daft as his persona on political threads - check out some of his other threads and it's like a different person. Trolltastic one thinks.
Pay to be an EU person, I'd not pay to be are a Yorkshireman. Free Yorkshire, an it better be cheap.
CaptS - chewkw is nowhere near as daft as his persona on political threads - check out some of his other threads and it's like a different person. Trolltastic one thinks.
It must take a very special type of person who wants to hide their intelligence behind stupidity. I find him midly amusing, yet this is short lived as it turns to boredom pretty quickly.
Why the hell you would want to act like a child on an adult forum, I'll never know.
Look what happened when they let the stupids vote in the USA.
Was that intended to be ironic? Brexit has to be one of the best examples in history of what happens when you let people vote on issues they don't understand.
cost me £70ish to get an Irish Passport so i am sorted.
£500-£1000 definitely, tho I suspect it won't happen and if it did it'd be closer to £250.
I'd probably pay £500 just to annoy the brexit people.
Why the hell you would want to act like a child on an adult forum, I'll never know.
I imagine because he wants to fit in.
I'd probably pay £500 just to annoy the brexit people.
How on earth would that annoy Brexiteers ?
jambalaya - Member
"I'd probably pay £500 just to annoy the brexit people."
How on earth would that annoy Brexiteers ?
Don't know, but judging by the quotes in the press it's managing to. Best ask a Brexy.
Nobody found a Brexy to ask?
I appreciate they're a bit thinner on the ground than they were in June. 😉
€60 for a copy of my mum, gran & grandad's Irish birth certificates
€278 to register my birth outside of Ireland
€316 to register both of the kids
€80 for my passport
€16 for my 18 month old's passport
€26.50 3 year old's.
So €770.50?
Doesn't bother me in the slightest igm, I don't see why it would bother anyone Leave or Remain ?
I really don't know Jamba. I really don't. And I think you're reaction to the idea was about right.
But some of the various Brexies in the press made it sound like someone was suggesting televising the ritual decapitation of babies hosted by Simon Cowell. On early Saturday evening ITV.
That said my comment about Brexies being thinner on the ground has turned out to be true, hasn't it.
Thinner on the ground how so ? Richmond was 70/30 Remain so by-election not a massive surprise. Idiot rich boy got the kock up the @rse he deserved.
The other thread said people would easily pay £100 for an EU citizenship and @hot_fiat shows that.
One down - that so.
But on this thread I think we are in general agreement- excepting that I still contend that as it was the Brexies in the press that got all upset about it it is not for the stout and steadfast remainers to explain why someone would be upset.
Clearly you can't understand it either, which suggests to me it was some empty vessels making the noise in the papers.
Shall we agree?