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Currently searching for new roles and filling out many applications. However, I cannot seem to get a sniff of anything, no shortlisting, zero feedback when I ask for advice and feedback.
The roles I have been looking at are training roles, overseeing learning with a variety of apprenticeships etc. so things that as an ex-teacher I thought I had all the skills for. Many of them included blended learning stuff, which I helped set up at one of my previous schools. MA in leadership and 10 years leadership experience, line management experience, managing budgets and bids etc. along with copious amounts of data analysis.
So my question is- how do people view teachers/ex-teachers in the private sector when they are looking to move over to it? do they view us favourably with varied skill sets? or view us in a negative light where out skills are non-transferable?
So my question is- how do people view teachers/ex-teachers in the private sector
Burnt out wrecks who'd be a massive liability !! You'd better start working on your knowledge and get a taxi license. 😉😉
whinging, overpaid ungrateful slackers who only work 6 months of the year with no real work experience at all since you only deal with kids day in day out. Would be my guess.
Workshy fops who only work a 6 hour day for 40 weeks a year? 😉
"only deal with kids".... dealing with 2 is hard enough. Get 30 in a class and any teacher that can hold ringmaster to that and give engaging lessons deserves a flippin medal. No I am not a teacher, but I was a school parent governor and have immense respect for many teachers.
as a teacher - i'm not sure how 7:15am-4:30pm AT wor and then working at home is 6hrs per day? 2 words for people who think that - dick heads
I read that as sex teachers.
Probably says much about me.
Like anything there are good and bad ones.
If it's a filling out application process chances are your being filtered at a very high level hence no feedback. Is there something key missing there?
Other one is salary an issue? Are aiming for a level where there are plenty of people in roles stepping up ie proven in that environment already. A safe bet over a chance on you?
A good recruiter in the field would probably be a good next step for a chat at least.
as a teacher – i’m not sure how 7:15am-4:30pm AT wor and then working at home is 6hrs per day? 2 words for people who think that – dick heads
Hyper sensitive with no discernable sense of humour 😁
Majority of working people do similar hours - 47 weeks of the year (assuming 25 days a year AL).
Now thats out of the way, to answer the question, probably viewed as the private sector view council workers.
Moving from public to private sector can be tricky, but for the sort of roles you say you're looking at, I'm surprised you're not getting anywhere at all. Feels like you might need to look at the way you are dealing with questions/ presenting yourself or whatever.
2 words for people who think that – dick heads
Dickheads surely?
All joking aside the OP will be seen as someone who failed in their original career choice and therefore had to teach instead.
Still joking btw
as a teacher – i’m not sure how 7:15am-4:30pm AT wor and then working at home is 6hrs per day
But that's not normal for teaching as a whole though. I appreciate some in a particular role might do that for a time but it's not typical through out the profession. Making a point by using worst case scenario's is a poor strategy.
P.s
Good luck with the job search OP. Good teachers have plenty to offer in just about any job field.
as a teacher – i’m not sure how 7:15am-4:30pm AT wor and then working at home is 6hrs per day? 2 words for people who think that – dick heads
Do you ever do that for more than a few weeks in a row? 😉
I guess it depends on role and sector, but we certainly don't discriminate against ex-teachers. In fact, one of us is a ex-teacher, this is her first role outside of education. She's killing it too - her skills have transferred over fantastically.
I think the bigger issue is at the entry level/junior end there is a lot of competition. Maybe look at how you're coming across like others have said....
Cheers, I shall run through my CV again and see if there is any tweaking that I need to do. I'll try and also get some more eyes on it before sending it out.
I think I am also use to applying for teaching jobs and getting an interview straight away, due to the shortage of teachers. Private is more of a numbers game? something will eventually crop up.
I went from 10y of science teaching to a training role for 3 years and back to science teaching.
You just need to find the right job who are looking for your skills.
I had a 5 month notice period on the way out and on the way back in to teaching, that proved a stumbling block on a couple of roles.
Now I'm back in I was pretty surprised to get a thank you letter for 100% attendance since September! What that says about my schools work place attendance I'm not sure 😉
Martin, what made you go back in to teaching then?
as a teacher – i’m not sure how 7:15am-4:30pm AT wor and then working at home is 6hrs per day
But that’s not normal for teaching as a whole though. I appreciate some in a particular role might do that for a time but it’s not typical through
I would say that it is normal, maybe slightly more than average but not by much. I work 7.30 to about 4.30 most days, add in later finishes at least 1 a week and bits and bobs at home and its about me and I've been doing it the best part of 15 years, less experienced teachers work much longer hours as do those with extra responsibility which I dont have either.
Having seen teacher application forms they are bloody awful things and nothing like other sector CV’s / applications.
Don’t take this wrong, but are you aiming too high ie trying to maintain salary ? Teachers are quite well paid, and are you going to take someone on in a £25k + role who has direct experience or a newbie ? Unfortunately a lot of private companies are not as enlightened as you might think
Transferable skills are all well and good but realistically you can expect to take a pay drop unless you can bring specialist skills to the role.
I imagine that most jobs have lots of transferable skills but as someone who spent quite some time in recruitment most companies recruit externally when they are looking for a specific skill set.
Unless it's education related the likelihood is there aren't many jobs out there with 30k salaries for folks who just bring 'transferable skills' to the table
I’m hopefully going the other way. How does the school sector view 47yr old ex captains of industry with transferable skills being 3 kids under 8 😂
Not getting into an argument with teachers about how many hours they work, you above anyone should know. But
as a teacher – i’m not sure how 7:15am-4:30pm AT wor and then working at home is 6hrs per day
This adds up to 15.25 hours a day or 76.25 hours per week. Thats not this.
I would say that it is normal, maybe slightly more than average but not by much. I work 7.30 to about 4.30 most days, add in later finishes at least 1 a week and bits and bobs at home and its about me
Maths not you speciality AA. A bit of googling suggests averages of 48-55 which when you allow for longer holidays works out to 39-44 hours over the year,( those are averages, I'm sure there's exceptions)
I think teachers are great and you work hard but no more than a lot of other people who don't constantly harp on about their work load.P.s I should go back to school to learn how to do multiple quotes 😳😳
Maths not you speciality AA
I didnt do any maths just pointed out what the guy said seems about right.
as a teacher – i’m not sure how 7:15am-4:30pm AT wor and then working at home is 6hrs per day
He wrote this which is correct it doesnt add up to 6 hours a day as said. You need to read it more carefully!
This adds up to 15.25 hours a day or 76.25 hours per week
Nor does it add up to this like you said, again read it a bit more carefully. Adds up to about 8 hours a day "and then some at home".
I couldnt give a flying arse what others work, I was just saying it seemed about right, which your own data agrees with. If you can read.
I was just saying it seemed about right, which your own data agrees with. If you can read.
It would appear not 😳 apologies for my lack of comprehension.
One of the best Stress Engineers I ever met was a math teacher who taught solid mechanics for 10years at A-level.
He wrote this which is correct it doesnt add up to 6 hours a day as said. You need to read it more carefully!
I think you need to read the question again though (is that not what you teach your students!) - the question wasn't what do you think teachers actually do - it was how do they view teachers. Rightly or wrongly there will be plenty of people who have a perception of teachers working short days, taking long holidays, drinking tea in the staff room whilst moaning about their workload, all in a quite unionised environment. If you perceive teachers like that then someone leaving teaching is probably not the most attractive hire.
Personally I've only interviewed one ex-teacher (AFAIR I've only seen one ex-teacher CV). I'm afraid that she did little to bust the above perception, with IT and presentation skills that were well behind those of typical new graduates we see with a healthy dose of patronising everyone like they were 12 yr old kids. If you were in a sector that saw a lot of ex-teacher applicants and this is a common occurrence I could see it putting you off.
I think you need to read the question again though (is that not what you teach your students!) – the question wasn’t what do you think teachers actually do – it was how do they view teachers.
I think you need to understand a conversation can move on.
But you carry on with the snide little comments I'm sure they make your existence a little brighter.
It would appear not 😳 apologies for my lack of comprehension.
No worries.
You must have missed the training day on how to get a proper job after leaving the closed/insulated shop of teaching.
Aldi are recruiting and the wages are terrific says our local paper, apply there and work up.
Ex teacher here. Only did two years in my twenties,then changed career via a graduate scheme (so probably not helpful given your experience).
12+ years later I've come across a few ex teachers in my industry ( project management) heaps of transferable skills (if you can manage 30 kids you can manage a project team of arguing adults), but all of them had to start as juniors etc.
In a position now where i hire people for the teams, I would be interested in the transferable skills, but as others have said it's hard to just give someone a job because they have transferable skills but no experience in a more senior role.
Apprenticeship are now available for all ages and could be a quick route in, once you're in if it's the right company you can progress quickly.
I've been looking at apprenticeships and graduate schemes. A friend a similar age to me has just finished his graduate training, some 15 years after graduating.
I am not averse to taking a pay cut at all, as I took a large one to relocate and to give me time and space to think about next steps.
a_a,
You carry on with the snide little comments
I think if you are going to accuse people of that you probably don’t want to sign off your previous post with this:
If you can read.
I think taxi25 might have hit the nail on the head about SOH failure.
If you get an interview remember to tell them that one of the reasons you are looking for a change is so that you can knock off at 5 every day. Those private sector folk love that shit.
I think taxi25 might have hit the nail on the head about SOH failure
Probably stress through over work. Still, must be half-term next week? I'm sure it's at least 5 weeks since the last holidays.
I think taxi25 might have hit the nail on the head
when he said oh yeah I was wrong sorry, you able to do that?
Scotroutes best thing is there is a literally **** tonne of vacancies for this cushy number....dont tell anyone though the government dont like talking about teacher shortages!!
Scotroutes, I'll say for the proper 9-5,pay rises, bonuses and all that extra jazz you get in the private sector 😉
Scotroutes, I’ll say for the proper 9-5,pay rises, bonuses and all that extra jazz you get in the private sector
Don't forget the fantastic pensions.
Sigh.
Facts.
Teachers paid c.£3k below average salary for level of qualification (cf. national for postgraduate level).
Average teacher working hours per week 48.5.
Teachers' paid working hours per week 32.5.
Teaching unions pretty much ineffectual these days in terms of national influence (they do do brilliant work on behalf of individual members though).
To be honest, no idea how that compares to the private sector (20 years since I worked there), but if you're going to knock the profession at least move out of the 70s with your insults.
Regardless of sector and position, IMO you are a mug if you are regularly* working over and above your paid hours. Do you think you will ever get that time back or be thanked for it?
You will not! It will not take long for extra hours to be expected by your employer rather than appreciated.
FFS this is time to enjoy your life we are talking about!
And time spent at work measured as a dick waving competition? What a load of crap!
Those with the biggest penises set a very clear expectation to their employer, that the employer needs to prioritise the time of said well-endowed employee.
I don't care what pressure you think is on you. Meekly accepting your employer's unreasonable demands will not help you. Work out how to tell them to **** off with their requests for your unpaid time (in the nicest possible way of course)
(* exceptional cases - fair enough, give and take, works in your favour if kept in check otherwise)
IMO
I don’t care what pressure you think is on you. Meekly accepting your employer’s unreasonable demands will not help you. Work out how to tell them to **** off with their requests for your unpaid time (in the nicest possible way of course)
This has always been my life philosophy. But in the real world it doesn't always work as you'd like. I've said f$@!k you more times than I care to remember, guess what I now happily drive a taxi. That's ok for me but if everyone had the same attitude who'd educate our children, care for the sick, or even collect the rubbish.
Somewhere there's a balance between being a bitch to your occupation and a hackneyed cynic. But at some point enoughs a enough don't accept the guilt trip and take a stand.
Teachers paid c.£3k below average salary for level of qualification
They don’t. First year teacher gets around the same as a newly qualified doctor, science graduate etc. They go up to 28-30 pretty quickly. Most I ever got on a undergraduate pay scale was 26k and that was the very top.
Has no one mentioned the view that male teachers being covert paedophiles?
Doesnt really matter how much they are paid or how long they work compared to others the simple fact is we have huge shortages in many areas so something needs to change.
The average graduate’s starting salary is around £30,000
http://www.educationbusinessuk.net/features/long-and-short-%C2%A0-uk-teacher-crisis
Teachers start at 23-24 I think, would take 4 or 5 years to get to 30k I think by then most have left teaching.
Average teacher working hours per week 48.5.
That's way below what most claim on here.
There was a thread a while back where 80 hrs a week/16 hrs a day or so was being stated.
Teachers’ paid working hours per week 32.5.
Is that in their contract? If so, why are their extremely vocal unions so shit at really protecting their members?
48.5 hours reported by Teaching Policy institute. Same survey found that 20% of teachers are working 60+. Anyone claiming to regularly work 80 is either deeply inefficient or lying. Personally I average 45-50.
32.5 paid hours comes from the 'standard' teaching contract of 1265 hours of directed time per academic year.
I wasn't whinging when posting those figures. I still enjoy the job. Just get a bit fed up with outdated notions of what the job is and the gammonesque ire often directed at the profession.