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So Im in BC, Canada, and we have a sort of famous Craigellachie here. My friends all pronounce it differently, so I thought I'd go to the source, STW.
I know ours is named after the one in northern Scotland on the Spey, so Im hoping someone has been there or is a part-time linguist or is just plain smarter than I am.
There a beer riding on whether I get this right, so let me know; is it pronounced Crag-Al-a-key or Crag-a-latch-E?


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 2:51 am
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I'd guess Creg-LAcky but I'm only a sassenach who lives in Scotland.

I reckon Crag-a-latch-E very unlikely, though the lacky part could have a bit of a 'ch' to it 🙂

I guess you need more authority to get that beer though. I love BC btw, lived out there for a bit many years ago.


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 6:13 am
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I pronounce it Craig EL a key

BUt I have no idea if that is correct!


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 6:15 am
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www.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIKeG5GRdu6Q&usg=AOvVaw1nX7FTTma4B_mZ7Rp6mppP

This suggests tj is pretty much right but I watched some other vids and the way some people pronounce it the 'ch' sound is softer/longer, more like as in 'loch', rather than like 'ck'

I'm not sure who wins in that scenario


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 6:20 am
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yes the key bit is softer - as in loch not lock


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 6:21 am
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Don't think my link worked -

Just to confuse matters it also has the Scots Gaelic pronunciation which is arguably more correct 😛

This guy is saying both 'ch' and 'ck' are ok but 'ch' would probably be more correct


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 6:36 am
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What tj says, but more hey than key.


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 6:42 am
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I'm gonna have to buy the whisky now, dammit. Sounds lovely.


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 6:50 am
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I live over the hill - Craig-L-a-key but the ‘a’is quite soft. Just to confuse, Glenallachie is to the south of Aberlour and has a whisky distillery too.


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 6:59 am
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The emphasis is on the second syllable, "el"

The "a" is almost a "u" sound,

The "ch" is as it is on "Loch", not "Lock".

The wee hill overlooking Aviemore is also Craigellachie.

Thought to be from the Gaelic, Creag Eileachaidh


 
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Posted : 09/08/2020 10:00 am
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The bloke in grum's video is correct - albeit with an American accent.

Stand Fast Craigellachie!


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 10:19 am
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Can’t be arsed watching those vids (and unless it’s a teuchter making them they’ll be Edinburgh Scots or worse 😅).

Krey-g-ELL-a-hey (kind of swallow the g into the krey, origin is creach)


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 10:39 am
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I’m gonna have to buy the whisky now

Camped at Craigellachie last November when paddling the Spey. There's a pub with 300 different malt whiskies.

BTW, for anyone paddling the Spey, the camp spot is officially closed, as the toilet block has been closed (pre-COVID, council budget driven).


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 12:16 pm
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Go on then, have a go at Strachan nr Banchory


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 12:30 pm
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Locally, at least when I was growing up, it was the Craig!


 
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Camped at Craigellachie last November when paddling the Spey. There’s a pub with 300 different malt whiskies

Many a night in the Mash Tub.

Aged about 28 we had lined up all the distilleries the Spey passes by. That night I realised that a) my taste buds change and b) some malts are just lush...


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 12:30 pm
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@bruneep I’ll bite:
Straw-ern


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 1:29 pm
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I absolutely hate the way North Americans say Craig.

It’s not like crag or greig.


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 2:32 pm
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Go on then, have a go at Strachan nr Banchory

I see your bid and raise you Finzean (also near Banchory) 😁


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 2:32 pm
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There’s a pub with 300 different malt whiskies

Many a night in the Mash Tub.

We were in the Highlander. I think the Mash Tun is in Aberlour - but there's something about pubs that makes it difficult to remember where they are...


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 3:34 pm
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If you're looking for directions, pop over this hill and turn right...


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 4:31 pm
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I'm a Grant and my father was born in a house in the main street of Grantown-on-Spey, the Grant clan 'town'.

As a family, we've always pronounced it Craig-a-lacky when mentioning the clan motto of 'Stand Fast Craig Elachie' However as we have all lived in England since my dad enlisted for WW2 as a teenager, we could have it totally wrong.


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 4:42 pm
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Think the question is probably well answered up there, but this has reminded me of an old colleague of mine who taught Gaelic. Whenever I asked her how to pronounce something in Gaelic she would kid me on that most of the consonants in the middle were really soft so that would be pronounced Creaalaaaeee.

I believed her for months and all the Gaelic speakers in my class were in on it too.


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 5:49 pm
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@clubby this is a game I can play.
I see your fING-en and raise you a Garioch.

@mercuryrev that would be an anglicised/ Edinburgh Newtown with pretensions 😂 pronunciation.

Scots is a language in its own right beyond being dialect. But many of the place names on the east coast are Gaelic in origin. Or Norwegian/ Danish/ German.


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 8:08 pm
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Creg-e-la-chay (ch pronounced as it is in 'loch')


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 8:11 pm
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Bet he wishes he'd never asked!


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 8:29 pm
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@sparksmcguff

I claimed nothing more.....

However if there's Independence I'll be claiming lots!


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 8:49 pm
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Why do so many folk pronounce "Craig" as creg? Are you all from Ulster or something?

Craig (as in cray with a g on the end)
Uhl
Lach (as in Loch, not lock)
ee


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 8:51 pm
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I find it funny hearing how mangled Scotch Gaelic pronunciation is. Is it because it so nearly died out completely? It’s so far removed from the purer form of Gaelic that is Irish Gaelic. So much phonetic pronunciation as if sounding it as if speaking English.


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 8:53 pm
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You do realise we're talking about anglicised Gaelic rather than the actual don't you?


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 9:37 pm
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What’s “anglicised Gaelic?” 🤔


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 9:58 pm
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I see your fING-en and raise you a Garioch

Ghee-ree, obviously (if you live in Oldmeldrum)


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 10:34 pm
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@euain aye, I love the place names round here, they’re characterful.

@deadlydarcy there’s Gaelic and there’s Scots. There are Regional variations of Gaelic. One of which is a Gaelic language that is centred on the west coast of Scotland but also spoken on the east coast. You seem to be suggesting that Scottish Gaelic speakers can’t speak Gaelic?


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 11:22 pm
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You seem to be suggesting that Scottish Gaelic speakers can’t speak Gaelic?

I reckon they think they can, which is fair enough. 😀


 
Posted : 09/08/2020 11:28 pm
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Anglicised Gaelic. Like Craigellachie rather than Creag Eileachaidh or Crianlarich rather than A' Chrìon Làraich.


 
Posted : 10/08/2020 2:07 am
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Why do so many folk pronounce “Craig” as creg? Are you all from Ulster or something?

Craig (as in cray with a g on the end)
Uhl
Lach (as in Loch, not lock)
ee

That sounds brummie to me 😂


 
Posted : 10/08/2020 6:51 am
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I always struggle with hill and mountain names in both Scotland and Wales, it's a bit embarrassing not being able to explain to people where you've actually been walking all day 😲

As for place names I've heard Edinburgh folk not pronounce place names correctly (well not what the same as locals pronounce them) that are relatively close to Edinburgh like Lochgelly. Edinburgh folk say lock-gelly and a guy I worked with from Lochgelly pronounced it la- gelly, but then he had a very strong fife accent, ken.

My top four favourite Scottish accents I have encountered working on building sites in Scotland for the last 20 years are:
4. Lewis - sounds like an Irish accent, nice and soft.
3. Hawick - half Geordie and half mid-lothian. I really struggled to understand this guy but was fascinated with how many words he'd use that I'd never heard before.
2. Hill foots - I worked with lots of folk from Alloa, Alva, Tilicoutry and surrounding villages and again I really struggled understand some of them but then so did some of the Edinburgh natives we worked with. They would call their boots "bits" and their feet "fits." Some great characters.
1. Midlothian, Newtongrange and the surrounding old mining villages. Every other word is ken and they talk in a kind of constant changing of dropping vowels, changing vowels to how you'd normally pronouncing them, smashing some words together and then emphasizing different parts of words that you normally wouldn't.

Some of the different Edinburgh accents should also get a mention like Morningside and Leith (I know it's kind of separate to Edinburgh).

I love accents and think it adds real flavour to a place.

Anyone know how to pronounce Auchencrow?


 
Posted : 10/08/2020 8:14 am
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Anyone know how to pronounce Auchencrow

No


 
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I always struggle with hill and mountain names in both Scotland and Wales, it’s a bit embarrassing not being able to explain to people where you’ve actually been walking all day

Walkhighlands.com gives an audio pronunciation for every munro, and many other smaller hills.


 
Posted : 10/08/2020 8:43 am
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I reckon they think they can, which is fair enough

😀


 
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Auchencrow

Och-in-craw. Sounds right to me. But then I couldn't say Shewalton for years and it's only about 5 miles away.

That sounds brummie to me

Learn to say a common name properly then start throwing stones 😜

They would call their boots “bits” and their feet “fits.” Some great characters.

I assumed that was just Scots in general.

I probably shouldn't have to, but will, point out that a 'ch' is absolutely never pronounced 'ck' unless there is some hitherto unknown exception I'm unaware of.


 
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craigy lackie.


 
Posted : 10/08/2020 10:29 pm