[Closed] How come UN resolutions and the Geneva Convention don't apply to Israel?

Bad sh1t happened to Jews throughout history. But only the Palestinians are asked (told) to pay the price.

To state it really really simply as you can't be bothered to read. Before the war, Jews were immigrating en masse to Palestine because of European antisemitism, souring relations with the locals. Then Arab nationalism took hold, along with remnants of Nazi propaganda after the war.

Can't really blame them for wanting a separate state.

@ unfitgeezer

Muslim and proud
i'm very fortunate that i'm not Palestinian...but what i see going on there on a daily basis greatly saddens me...going as far as it boils my pi$$ that i feel personally powerless to do anything about it.

i'm sure there are many Palestinians who can say the same thing that they are missing a whole side to their families thanks to the Israeli government.

just like Binners says...there is nothing anti-semetic that has been said here by the vast majority of posters.
no-one has criticized or attacked the religion. what they have done is criticized the oppressive actions of the Israeli government.
what has been fired back though is accusations of anti-semetism just because there is a strong lack of support for the Israeli governments actions.
if you dont want to get offended by someone's sarcastic maybe you shouldnt accuse them of being anti-semetic.

before you accuse me of being an anti-semite I'll tell you who or what it is i am against.
i have no problem with the Jewish faith or Jewish people as a whole. at the end of the day if you look at it from a religious point of view Muslims, Jews and Christians are "people of the book" and ultimately there is little that differentiates our religions.
what i do have a major issue with is Zionism and all that it stands for...i truly believe its agenda isnt for the benefit of the Jewish faith but is something that is truly sinister and dangerous to all of humanity.

Hah.

You mean you're opposed to them having their own State, you'd much rather they were second class citizens in a Muslim state?

Tom_W1987 - Member

Hah.

You mean you're opposed to them having their own State, you'd much rather they were second class citizens in a Muslim state?

Why would they be second class citizens? Are Jews that live in the UK second class citizens in a Christian state?

You mean you're opposed to them having their own State, you'd much rather they were second class citizens in a Muslim state?

as opposed to the Palestinians now living like dogs in a Jewish state?

no Tom...they were given their own state in 1948...they simply decided that wasnt enough and went about grabbing more land from their Palestinian hosts and at the same time oppressing them in a way that the Palestinians are not even treated as second class citizens...but more like prisoners/dogs in a concentration camp

no Tom...they were given their own state in 1948...they simply decided that wasnt enough and went about grabbing more land from their Palestinian hosts and at the same time oppressing them in a way that the Palestinians are not even treated as second class citizens...but more like prisoners in a concentration camp

Israel's neighbors probably shouldn't have helped to kick off the Six-Day War then.

Why would they be second class citizens? Are Jews that live in the UK second class citizens in a Christian state?

Historically they had been and you forget that the creation of Israel happened immediately after half of Europe being involved in their slaughter. Would you want to stay in Europe?

To state it really really simply as you can't be bothered to read. Before the war, Jews were immigrating en masse to Palestine because of European antisemitism, souring relations with the locals. Then Arab nationalism took hold, along with remnants of Nazi propaganda after the war.

Can't really blame them for wanting a separate state.

Nope. And can't really blame the Palestinians for not wanting to vacate the property to make room for it.

Actually it was the 1948 war, started by the Arabs who refused to accept the newly established state of Israel that led to their loss of Land. They were the aggressors then, as they have been since.

Meanwhile leaders of Isis declare their intention to convert all of southern Europe into a caliphate, and its the zionists that are 'dangers to all humanity'. Get real.

[url= http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/rod-liddle/9252281/i-like-the-look-of-this-exciting-new-islamic-state-but-why-dont-they-take-belgium/ ]Isis -Europe[/url]

Actually it was the 1948 war, started by the Arabs who refused to accept the newly established state of Israel that led to their loss of Land. They were the aggressors then, as they have been since.

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus[/url]

samj - Member

Actually it was the 1948 war, started by the Arabs who refused to accept the newly established state of Israel that led to their loss of Land. They were the aggressors then, as they have been since.

Why exactly should it have been accepted? We went to war with Germany as we couldn't accept Poland etc's loss of land (if you want to be black and white about it)

How you can throw the label of aggressors around when Israel was taken by force initially is beyond comprehension....

Meanwhile leaders of Isis declare their intention to convert all of southern Europe into a caliphate, and its the zionists that are 'dangers to all humanity'. Get real.

Europe is not going to be an Islamic Caliphate? Ever! Despite the ramblings of however many extremist nut-jobs in Syria. And what on earth has that got to do with Israel anyway? Is that now being used as a justification for zionism? Saving Europe from becoming overrun with muslamic ray guns?

Christ on a bendybus! Thats about as spurious as it gets

Why exactly should it have been accepted?

Its the UK government of the time that advocated it, Ask your grandparents why.

How you can throw the label of aggressors around when Israel was taken by force initially is beyond comprehension....

It started as a civil war between the Jewish (many of whom were not immigrants) and Muslim populations... not some blitzkrieg.

Israel's neighbors probably shouldn't have helped to kick off the Six-Day War then.

so if i came to your house and declared it as mine and your neighbour objected i'd beat him up and any other neighbour who stood up to me. i could then go about treating you like a prisoner in your own home and dehumanise you as i see fit. if anyone questions it it will be your fault i am doing this or your neighbours fault i am doing this...i love your logic!!

Tell you what, with Arab nationalism what do you think would have happened to the Jewish population of Palestine had they not been given their own state?

so if i came to your house and declared it as mine and your neighbour objected i'd beat him up and any other neighbour who stood up to me. i could then go about treating you like a prisoner in your own home and dehumanise you as i see fit. if anyone questions it it will be your fault i am doing this or your neighbours fault i am doing this...i love your logic!!

Those forced and or voluntary expulsions mostly occurred after the 1948 war, which the Arab world helped to start. What did they expect if they lost?

Meanwhile leaders of Isis declare their intention to convert all of southern Europe into a caliphate, and its the zionists that are 'dangers to all humanity'. Get real.

the zionist movement already has control of global political infrastructures, banking infrastructures and many other pies...and you're worried about a bunch of bearded nut jobs wearing scarves? i think its you who needs to get real!!

the zionist movement already has control of global political infrastructures, banking infrastructures and many other pies...and you're worried about a bunch of bearded nut jobs wearing scarves? i think its you who needs to get real!!

And there we have it.

The Nazi came out of the closet.

Those forced and or voluntary expulsions mostly occured after the 1948 war, which the Arab world helped to start.

again blaming everyone else for your own actions (not you in the literal sense)...Israel is always the victim

the Arab world

Who is this "Arab world" of which you speak? Is there some monolithic group of people, who are all responsible for each other's actions?

And there we have it.

The Nazi came out of the closet.

because i question/condemn Israeli brutality on Palestinians i am an anti-semite and now a nazi??

i dont know if a should giggle quietly or piss myself laughing at that accusation!!

Is there some monolithic group of people, who are all responsible for each other's actions?

Wouldn't that be the Je....

Wouldn't that be the Je....

But I don't see anyone here criticizing the Jews, the "Jewish world", etc. I see criticism of the democratically elected government of Israel.

@ Binners - those extremists nut jobs as you put it have killed well over 150,000 people in Syria and Iraq. They have taken control of large areas in both countries, and continue to expand while declaring their intention to take over Europe.

And this you simply dismiss as spurious, joking about 'muslamic ray guns' as you do even though there is a death toll of 150,000+

You and the others here who are so concerned about justice, have you ever posted even a single post lamenting the situation? - no, you ridicule it, too busy defending a terrorist organisation from the 'injustices of Zionism'. well done.

samj - Member

Actually it was the 1948 war, started by the Arabs who refused to accept the newly established state of Israel that led to their loss of Land. They were the aggressors then,

I think that's a matter of where you're standing- if you're fighting to reclaim land that used to be yours and was taken from you against your will, would you think you're an aggressor? I wouldn't.

I wouldn't particularily consider the Israelis aggressors in that either mind. The whole "tit for tat" "you touched it last" mentality really falls down when you consider how shat upon both groups have been. But talk in recent days "This started because of a kidnapping" "This started because of a rocket attack", is just absurd really.

criticism of the democratically elected government of Israel.

careful with that....or we'll be accused of being anti-semetic or nazis

I think that's a matter of where you're standing- if you're fighting to reclaim land that used to be yours and was taken from you against your will, would you think you're an aggressor? I wouldn't.

Except most of them still had their homes and it was the 1948 war that triggered Israeli reprisals.

They might have actually kept them if they could have put their pride aside and lived in a Jewish state.

careful with that....or we'll be accused of being anti-semetic or nazis

I called you a Nazi after you trotted out the typical "Jews run the world" Nazi propaganda piece.

You and the others here who are so concerned about justice, have you ever posted even a single post lamenting the situation? - no, you ridicule it, too busy defending a terrorist organisation from the injustices of Zionism. well done.

seeing as this is being brought up...i dont think you enough about me or any other person who has commented on here to accuse them of the above.
we are on the thread talking about the behaviour of the Israeli government and only that thing in particular.
if you feel the need to discuss the actions of ISIS, the brutality taking place in Syria etc then i suggest you start a new thread and people will voice their opinions and contempt for those responsible for the atrocities that are taking place there.
as for this thread it is about Israel and what it is doing to the Palestinians...

Gonzy - you made the point that the whole world needs to fear zionism. I made the point that there are other things that are possibly, even for a muslim, more worrying. you made a point, i made a point. that is the nature of a discussion.

sami - correct me if I'm wrong, but whats happening in Syria is a civil war, right? Thats escalated into a neighbouring country. And its muslims killing muslims

So how does either that, or the proposed Euro-calliphate have any bearing on Israelis continued persecution of the Palestinians? Am I missing something here? Its completely irrelevant.

You seem to be desperately clutching at straws to try and justify Israel's behaviour, by spuriously trying to link it with completely unconnected events

I called you a Nazi after you trotted out the typical "Jews run the world" Nazi propaganda piece.

so you're telling me that the major political movements in the US and major financial institutions dont have a strong jewish control?

its not nazi propaganda...you choose to call it that so you dont have to face up to the truth

They might have actually kept them if they could have put their pride aside and lived in a Jewish state.

do you actually believe the tripe you're coming out with?!
so if i came and took over your home and told you to put your pride aside and accept what i'm doing to you as you're now living in MY house...you'd accept that?!

you're as ridiculously delusional in your denial of what Israel is doing as the tw@s who deny the holocaust ever took place

@ Binners...no he's trying to deflect the attention away from Israel's actions onto that of ISIS.

Sami - if you want to talk about Syria and what's going on there start a new topic and i'll gladly join you on there and discuss it with you as would a lot of others
but like binners said we're talking about Israel's persecution of the Palestinians...so lets keep it on that topic.

Tom_W1987 - Member

They might have actually kept them if they could have put their pride aside and lived in a Jewish state.

Good point. So I'm moving into your house tomorrow, you can live in the garden, just swallow your pride.

you can live in the garden

@ Binners - those extremists nut jobs as you put it have killed well over 150,000 people in Syria and Iraq. They have taken control of large areas in both countries, and continue to expand while declaring their intention to take over Europe.

And this you simply dismiss as spurious, joking about 'muslamic ray guns' as you do even though there is a death toll of 150,000+

You and the others here who are so concerned about justice, have you ever posted even a single post lamenting the situation? - no, you ridicule it, too busy defending a terrorist organisation from the 'injustices of Zionism'. well done.

A) That's just irrelevant whataboutery
B) You seem to be comparing yourself to a bunch of fanatical nutjobs and saying 'we're not as bad as them, why not criticise them instead?'

Israel likes to claim to be a modern, democratic state doesn't it? So you are held to the standards expected of a modern democratic state not those of extremist terrorists.

<aside- we have 2 different organisations on campus called ISIS, it's a popular acronym... So the signs saying "ISIS stands up against bullying" and news story "ISIS aquires new space on campus" are a bit mixed message>

Meanwhile:

Ashraf al-Qidra said the total number of Palestinians killed over the past three days now stands at 77, with over 500 people injured in the tiny coastal strip. There have been no Israeli casualties from the hundreds of rockets that have been fired by militants in Gaza.

There are also claims that a missile was fired at a cafe in Khan Younis late on Wednesday night, where dozens were gathered to watch the World Cup game between Argentina and Holland – with six dead and 15 injured, according to AFP.

The Israeli defence forces said in a statement that it had targeted hundreds of sites in Gaza and killed three Islamic Jihad militants.

Killed 3 "militants" and 74 civilians. "Purity of arms". Right.

Actually binners its was absolutely relevant to Gonzy's preceding comment on zionism- see above

There is now an additional point though; there is rampant hypocrisy involved in being 'completely outraged' by the civilian deaths in Palestine while willfully ignoring or even mocking a far greater number of deaths in neighboring countries, and all because 'it's not the right thread'.

EDIT:Two wrongs dont make a right and because someone other wrong is "greater" than your your is still not defendable. Pol pot is not ok because stalin was worse.
Secondly you are trying to get us to discuss something other than Israel hence why folk are refusing.
ORIGINAL
Nice post by Binners over the last few pages

Actually it was the 1948 war, started by the Arabs who refused to accept the newly established state of Israel that led to their loss of Land. They were the aggressors then, as they have been since.

When israel kills children it is someone else fault, when israel steals land after a war [ illegal ] it is someone else fault

Its basically israel is always right no matter what it does

For the record what action that israel has done do you dislike or disapprove of , if any?

There is now an additional point though; there is rampant hypocrisy involved in being 'completely outraged' by the civilian deaths in Palestine while willfully ignoring or even mocking a far greater number of deaths in neighboring countries, and all because 'it's not the right thread'.

So in order to be allowed to criticise one wrong thing, we have to criticise all the other wrong things in the world first (after ranking them in order of wrongness)?

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Killed 3 "militants" and 74 civilians. "Purity of arms". Right.

Ah but remember it's all the civilians own fault for living near the militants (in the overcrowded refugee camps they've been herded into after having their homes bulldozed and their land stolen).

what i do have a major issue with is Zionism and all that it stands for...i truly believe its agenda isnt for the benefit of the Jewish faith but is something that is truly sinister and dangerous to all of humanity.

you mean this comment? try reading it to see what i actually said. there is an increasing proportion of the Orthodox Jewish populace that seem to agree with this and are also strongly voicing their condemnation of the Zionist movement...
if i remember correctly i got accused of being a nazi for pointing this out...
someone once told me "if you point the finger of blame at everyone else and do it loudly then no-one will see the wrongs you are doing"...seems to me thats what's going on here by bringing ISIS into the discussion

No Grum it is hamas fault as the fact fewer israel civilians die shows that Israel care more about their civilians - yes this was said on here ignoring the fact that Israel was the one killing the civilians

65% of Palestinians are opposed to a two state solution. Hamas and the PA should stop peddling dreams.

Interesting article in the Independent, which specifically references the spurious ISIS links

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-true-gaza-backstory-that-the-israelis-arent-telling-this-week-9596120.html ]The true Gaza backstory that the Israelis arent telling this week[/url]

[i]Meanwhile, that great leftist Israeli philosopher Uri Avnery – 90 years old and still, thankfully, going strong – has picked up on his country’s latest obsession: the danger that Isis will storm west from its Iraqi/Syrian “caliphate” and arrive on the east bank of the Jordan river.

“And Netanyahu said,” according to Avnery, “if they are not stopped by the permanent Israeli garrison there (on the Jordan river), they will appear at the gates of Tel Aviv.” The truth, of course, is that the Israeli air force would have crushed Isis the moment it dared to cross the Jordanian border from Iraq or Syria.

The importance of this, however, is that if Israel keeps its army on the Jordan (to protect Israel from Isis), a future “Palestine” state will have no borders and will be an enclave within Israel, surrounded on all sides by Israeli-held territory. [/i]

No Grum it is hamas fault

Correct JY, though not what you meant.
Which what happens when you quote partially / out of context.

I googled that claim

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=65%25+of+Palestinians+are+opposed+to+a+two+state+solution&oq=65%25+of+Palestinians+are+opposed+to+a+two+state+solution&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

the first link is this

http://www.fpri.org/articles/2014/02/opening-peace-israelis-palestinians-and-two-state-solution

very detailed over time as well includign boith Israel and Palestines

Nice chart as well basically your wrong in your claim

for example

Borders: The entirety of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip would make up Palestine, with the exception of 3% of the West Bank (to account for Jewish settlements). There would be proportional land swaps to make up for this.

More palestinians support this than Israelis

Pfft facts eh