Talking of brickies, local brickworks is mothballing due to low demand. (Forterra near lancaster).
May look towards renting it if nothing happens soon.
Wish I could rent this one it's ideal, but charities are 60% of beneficiaries so needs to be sold.
Whenever there’s a price drop most people sit tight and a few (who simply cannot) take a bath, that’s the way things are and it’s why a house price drop is so catastrophic for the economy. People can’t move for jobs, other life changes…another reason why we need a viable rental market but decades of Tory and Tory-lite and here we are.
I'm seeing the same out in Berkshire in a village that generally has good demand. Properties on for last year's prices just sit with no interest and eventually get pulled. They're generally affluent people that can afford to "sit it out".
I feel sorry for those that were almost bullied onto the market in the last few years that will be forced to sell come what may when their mortgage deal comes to an end. I feel next year this sort of thing will really kick in hopefully causing a bit of a price correction but yes, I'm in no doubt that it will benefit those-that-have more than anyone it needs to
No sign of anything slowing down round my way in Glasgow.
Mate sold his flat yesterday. 1st viewer, immediate offer which he accepted. Sold for 37% more than he paid 3 years ago. 5% over the home report value. Obviously the sale has to be concluded but not the sign of a slow market.
No sign of anything slowing down round my way in Glasgow.
Mate sold his flat yesterday. 1st viewer, immediate offer which he accepted. Sold for 37% more than he paid 3 years ago. 5% over the home report value. Obviously the sale has to be concluded but not the sign of a slow market.
I concur having bought in Glasgow at the end of the summer.
Supply and demand I guess, and a bit of 'how fast do you want to sell?'<br /><br />2009 we wanted to sell fast so we priced 'what would allow us to move on fast?' It did the trick and we sold within a couple weeks.
Buying was a different matter. There just was nothing on the market in the area we were looking. They were all big family houses in a very well regarded area. 2008/2009 downturn happened and all the people looking to downsize and move somewhere cheaper etc saw all the value (they thought their property had) disappear, so everyone hung fire and waited. The only properties coming up were probates and divorce (which is what happend with our house that we bought).
When the market drops there will be less available, so in some way keeps the prices up
It's also winter.. Sales are slower this time of year.
This seems to be localised - I stay in a nice town in the Scottish Borders and houses get snapped up here. Two in my street recently the signs were up less than a week before the "under offer" sticker appeared. A friend bought recently and had to move fast and pay over the asking price.
Nothing much seems to be selling in Skipton, at least around us (3/4 bed semi's + detached). Market was buoyant up until the significant interest rate rises kicked in but been flat since. House across the road was listed for a sensible price in the early summer but has yet to sell, even after a 70k price drop. lovely property, plenty of room and lot's of improvements carried out so if that can't find a buyer, there's not many buyers about!
When the market drops there will be less available, so in some way keeps the prices up
Could probably look at it the peaks are the "real" prices with high volumes of transactions meaning the market is functioning, and the troughs are actually just very low volumes. So as the OP is finding, most houses on the market will be distressed sales sat on the market for ages.
The only change round here is the sale signs go up and hang around for 6-8 weeks whereas normally the guy barely gets chance to put his van in reverse before the sold sticker gets stuck over them. And there's still a scheme going forward for 4500 new houses in a single development too, plus lots of smaller ones, so someone's betting on demand remaining.
Oh, and last time I looked a new estate built at the wrong end of town but still priced optimistically had a good 50% of finished houses unsold. Usual big developer cereal box houses.
Another new estate near us, built by a local firm with a good reputation seems to be shifting every finished property.
Scotland House Price Index data for August
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-house-price-index-for-august-2023/uk-house-price-index-scotland-august-2023
As suspected there is variability across the board with East Lothian (quel surprise!) topping the charts.
It's quality driven, the above post 're local brickworks mothballed, next village to that a small development of detached houses have sold at massive premiums to local market. They are v nice but at 1mn I d expect them to be,
OP back. After kicking the can down the road for the last few years we made the decision to go for it and sell. The initial estate agents valuation was eye-popping so we went for what they said was achievable. 6 weeks and only two viewings later we decided it wasn't happening. We reduced the price by 10% and got 5 viewings and a sale within a month. To make it easier (and less stressful for us) we decided we'd rent temporarily to make it "No onward chain". This seems to have paid off. Obviously we're still looking around to buy, but it's not a screaming priority. We might even sod off abroad for 3 months yet. After being rural for 21yrs, my wife quite fancies being within walking distance of Carlisle, or at least on a bus route. I'm conceding to her priorities this time. But honestly; asking prices are mad. We'll have to stop being "polite" and start submitting offers that are realistic to us. Whether sellers "get real" or not is another matter.
This seems to be localised – I stay in a nice town in the Scottish Borders and houses get snapped up here.
Is it commutable to Edinburgh? A large part of the stagnation near me is the covid move to the country unravelling. I think cities are holding up better.
Oh, and last time I looked a new estate built at the wrong end of town but still priced optimistically had a good 50% of finished houses unsold. Usual big developer cereal box houses.
Which one's that? The one they are currently building on a cliff on the Ilkley end of town?
@brian2. I don't blame you, my house/garden is bigger than I want (and nowhere near the size of yours). I have 20yrs on you and even still I have dread walking the 50yards to my office as there is always something new to add to the maintenance list. Only regret the decisions you don't make - life's too short to make decisions on money alone.
Which one’s that? The one they are currently building on a cliff on the Ilkley end of town?
They must have started running out of flood plains to build on hey! 🙂
Yes commuting distance of Edinburgh with no pesky bridges or anything, and a bus goes up the road to all the private schools each day - it is almost a satellite suburb. That may explain it!
That's nice monkeysfeet but no buttons pressed. I reckon 100k of that is Wetheral tax, and I'll bet it still needs updating. Too much anyway, we'd like to help the kids out and splurge a bit 🙄
That one has been on the market for ages, over 12 months now. When we were looking around Carlisle, one of the big problems is avoiding the flood areas.
You'd see something and think "Why is that so cheap...?" and then you'd realise its near/on a flood area.
👍😬 We had to "host" our eldest son, wife and grand daughter for 6 months when their place was flooded on Corporation Road. They were evacuated from the first floor bedroom into a RIB. Made Sky News they did! Yeah, there's that to bear in mind.
Offer what you think the places are actually worth, and tell the EA that.
They will want to sell the places just as much as you wanna buy one.
Are these overpriced gaffs in your area actually selling though, or not?
It really doesn’t matter if rent prices are bonkers so long as the bank and it’s interest rate are paying the rent. In a declining market, you’re still quids in. Your asset would have made a loss, your outgoings are less than your (interest) income. You just need to make sure you buy something (anything?) before the market starts to climb again.
Properties on for last year’s prices just sit with no interest and eventually get pulled. They’re generally affluent people that can afford to “sit it out”.
Agreed - a couple of houses near me have been pulled after not selling quickly. Another has dropped their price by about 8% (after a sale fell through and it went back on the market) and it isn't attracting any interest at all. (Harrogate). Yet they are still building bloody everywhere and more applications keep going in for 200+ house schemes.
That Scottish data, the key one for me is that the sale prices have risen by 43% in 8 years, which is actually under the compounded UK inflation rise of 56%.
I don't though see this around us, but we are in a low-volume rural area.
Obviously house purchase price & monthly mortgage cost are two different numbers.
Talking of brickies, local brickworks is mothballing due to low demand. (Forterra near lancaster).
In a housing crisis 🤦♂️
House over the back from us has just gone on the market, quite happy to see them going to be honest, not sure they'll be getting the asking price given they put "motivated sellers" in the listing!
I can't remember anything selling on this estate recently although there's a number of houses for sale and all the local developments have ground to a halt to the point one has a street of unfinished houses on it.
In a housing crisis 🤦♂️
Developers always say it's planning and regs that hold them back but any sniff of a downturn in prices and they turn the taps off the supply of housing, it's all about maximising profits.
Watched this the other day, had forgotten the Tories had tried to give housing association tennants the right to buy - could that be classed as a Brexit benefit 🤔
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m001rkn5/britains-housing-crisis-what-went-wrong
@matt303k There was a thing in the Guardian saying that the big house builders have a near monopoly - gone from building 50% of new houses a couple of decades ago to 90% now.
And because they’ve a near monopoly, the quality is often crap.
Any party that can fix the housing crisis is likely to win a lot of elections…
high prices pretty much suit everyone except those not on the market already or moving from a cheap area / significant upsize
more estate agent fees, more stamp duty, better margins for new builds etc... not in anyones interest to let them drop like a stone.
I also don't get why whacking up rent to cover increased costs is absolutely fine, yet asking for a payrise to try and cover your increased mortgage costs is considered bad and inflationary by the government....
@monkeysfeet - a fellow Bramptonian!
Regarding the house in Wetheral. that is definitely the Wetheral tax. It would be £100,000 or more less here.
Any party that can fix the housing crisis is likely to win a lot of elections…
Nope, young house buyers don't vote, old crumblies losing their stored wealth will...for the other party.
Nope, young house buyers don’t vote, old crumblies losing their stored wealth will…for the other party.
Folk are more likely to vote as they get older but its still at 55% for those <35, and interestingly they actually increased in the 2019 election compared to older cohorts.
As for estate agents valuing things high to get a bigger commission. Nah. The difference in commission for a 10k price rise isn’t much. They would in most cases rather complete a quick sale. Not forgetting they do operate for the seller. A good estate agent is worth their weight ime.
It is pretty nuts round here. Our place has gone up by 25% in 7 years, but that is driven by people moving out of Leeds and London over the last 2 years, and being prepared to commute (the walk and train takes about 25 mins to get into central Leeds). 3 houses have sold signs on our street. That said, the madness must be slowing as a lot of stuff on Rightmove shows as reduced.
That said, my mate can’t sell his canal side property 5 miles away for love nor money.
The house next to us was advertised and sold apparently for $1.35 Million. Then the For Sale sign went up again and it's now on at $1.25 Million. If the original sale that seems to have fallen through was at the advertised price, a revised pricing drop of $100K is an awful lot of money.
Very similar too Ashat, new develpment in Cas just outside Leeds, very good for commuting, Houses sell pretty quick for decent money, and all tend to be sold by 1 estate agency.1 of the agents lives on the estate must be making a killing on commisions
The house next to us was advertised and sold apparently for $1.35 Million. Then the For Sale sign went up again and it’s now on at $1.25 Million. If the original sale that seems to have fallen through was at the advertised price, a revised pricing drop of $100K is an awful lot of money.
I typed this with the price in UK Pounds ££££ not US Dollars $$$$
Any party that can fix the housing crisis is likely to win a lot of elections…
By 'fix the housing crisis' do you mean reducing property values to levels more attainable levels? If so, the problem for any political party adopting such a policy, is you risk alienating the very swing voters you need to win an election. The home-owning 'working-class' and 'middle-class' voters, who having taken on large mortgages to get on the housing ladder, will not appreciate any party that saddles them with large negative equity values on their home. These are the very people who determine the outcome of and election, not the poor, who will always vote Labour, or the wealthy, who will always vote Conservative.
These are the very people who determine the outcome of and election, not the poor, who will always vote Labour, or the wealthy, who will always vote Conservative.
The now blue, once red, wall begs to differ.....
The house next to us was advertised and sold apparently for $1.35 Million. Then the For Sale sign went up again and it’s now on at $1.25 Million. If the original sale that seems to have fallen through was at the advertised price, a revised pricing drop of $100K is an awful lot of money.
It's 7.5%, so probably about right given the current market conditions. (And it may have been over-valued in the first place).
