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http://www.carthrottle.com/attention-all-honda-owners-your-4x4-crv-might-not-be-a-4x4-after-all/
Its a 2WD. Should have bought a Forester.
or just work out that you only bought a 4x4 to feel better about yourself and that 2wd and learning to drive is a better option - that and a forester isn't much special.
No diff lock on it then? Even Mrs ScotRoutes Urban Cruiser has one of those.
the Honda statement is quite clear about how the 4 wheel drive works in real life, Can't see a problem myself.
Oh come on mike some cars pull like a tractor beam with awd into roundabouts and bends... 😉
yes and I've driven a forester.... it's nowt special.
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I bought a cheap 07 (late previous shape) crv from someone in the trade on the cheap (interior is tatty) but it's fine as a second car carrying my bikes and dogs about. No poke in it at all which would lead me to realise it's not really meant as a hardcore 4x4 before it's been off road. I like subarus but parts cost on a forrestor would put me off as I don't need a real 4x4, and they are equally as dull as my crv.
Any news on the Landcruiser you were importing?
The updated Honda statement (and comment) on the foot of the page points to a set of circumstances whereas the Kuga immediately adapted/reacted.
IF the CRV is markeded as a AWD or 4x4 then its false. If however its marketed as a car then fine.
The Landcruiser is too expensive ATM
Did you read the commentary?
When I lived in Highland Perthshire, up a dirt track, off a B road, I drove a CR-V and guess what? It worked. Ok, not a landy but that wasn't what I wanted or needed, and if I was to move back to the wilds, I'd probably get another one.
I drove a Aygo on summer tyres through WYorkshire and European snow.
Are all wheels driven at one point or another .....
You know theres a ferarri with the same system right ? Its also awd.
Also forrester - tractor beam in corners....not quite. Depends what you have been in i guess but it wasnt special.
What standard cars do you class as better?
The Panda 4x4 has a front biased system which auto switches to 4 wheels as soon as the fronts slip
Ill take an elise on that bet.
Audis quatro system is also hopeless when tractions lost . I watched one wheel cock in the air while the lass was mounting a ditch...all drive lost.
Land rovers vcu system in the freelander mk1 was similar , detected slip and locked.
Or more commonly locked up solid 🙂
A car with such a low centre of gravity and weight? Sure.
Out of intrest were does it state it's awd? I couldn't see that but I only glanced over it. I've seen it state it's electric 4wd meaning you can't select the rear wheels they just engage when the front struggle. I like mine, fuels not great and it's a bit slow but I bought another car I want to keep clean and the miles off so I'm happy with it. It's a good but boring work horse.
hora - Member
What standard cars do you class as better?
I'd be as happy in a mondeo, golf and many other things. I did enough in the forester to be assured it just a thirsty car that moves all the wheels at once.
Sounds similar to the Haldex system fitted to some VAG cars.
Were abouts? I can't see were it says AWD?
As ive said in th past , you know that many 4x4s are only 2wd under duress,
Unless it has axle lockers, a centre diff only splits the power front to rear , you can still have one wheel stationary on each axle.....
fuels not great and it's a bit slow but I bought another car I want to keep clean and the miles off so I'm happy with it. It's a good but boring work horse.
yup, my experience. only got shot of mine when i moved to town and wanted better fuel economy
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Slow news day? Honda have been making them like this since 95.
Works surprisingly well for what it is.
Ours was a mk1, not sure what they're trying to achieve by limiting the new models though.
One of my other cars is a 435d xdrive, it seems to work similarly and you can certainly feel the switch from RWD on the rare occasion it's kicked in.
I remember this debate when I had 2005 crv.
Why now?
rone - Member
I remember this debate when I had 2005 crv.
Why now?
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Hora wants to show a car he doesn't have anymore is better than a car he's never had.
King' under safety.
I've never owned a CRV. I've driven one and it felt like being sat on 3 matrrsses. I'm on my 2nd forester currently.
Why are some stw'ers like angry, angst-ridden hungover men? 😆
Should have got a quattro!
It says 4wd? Not AWD?
Why are some stw'ers like angry, angst-ridden hungover men?
No idea, but really playing my soft roader is better than your soft roaded is getting there....
No idea, but really playing my soft roader is better than your soft roaded is getting there....
Indeed and you started it hora.
I don't think anyone is angry, just confused at what specific point your trying to make with this thread, other than to suggest a forester is a more capable vehicle (which isn't really going to be a shock to anyone).
Anyway you said your waiting to import a Land Cruiser once you get that you can compare it to a mini or something.
I like subarus but parts cost on a forrestor would put me off as I don't need a real 4x4, and they are equally as dull as my crv.
Dull? I really fancied one of these for a while, but was put off by stories of Subaru engines spontaneously imploding and the madly expensive cost to buy. Nevertheless, with around 240bhp, I imagine they're anything but dull.
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Didn't really read all the CRV article, but I did own a rear wheel biased AWD car for a time, and I can only describe it as incredible in all weathers. I totally loved it.
Had two CRVs. They are Haldex coupled, so no diff lock. In practice, I've driven mine over muddy fields and up snow covered hills. The system works fine and you know when the rear drive has kicked in.
Based on my family's experience, I'd struggle to call Land Rover Freelanders "vehicles" at all. Ours seemed to be forever waiting for another new engine. The Range Rover was no better and has now been off road as in off THE road for a year waiting for a replacement engine. 😉
BTW: The new 1.6 diesel really is 2WD and about 110 kg lighter than the AWD 2.2 version.
I agree with Hora and the Honda response is a joke. The Subaru system is far superior.
I'd struggle to call Land Rover Freelanders "vehicles" at all.
Suggest you look up the word in a dictionary then 🙂
Our Freelander 2 happily both zips about town, and charges across deserts and over mountains. It also rescues 'real' 4wds such as Nissan Patrols and Toyota Landcruisers. Its rear diff has failed once, which it shouldn't have, it also had some electrical gremlins affecting the fuel level sender. It's not perfect, but it seems to do a very good job both off and on road, which is what we bought it for, as it's our only vehicle.
My Father in Law has bought a 2013 plate one recently. He thinks its only 2wd.
Does it in fact have some 4wd capability? (serious question)
FunkyDunc - Member
My Father in Law has bought a 2013 plate one recently. He thinks its only 2wd.
Does it in fact have some 4wd capability? (serious question)
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Yes, kind of. It's FWD but if the front wheels are under duress power is sent to the back also. It's not manually selectable. I wouldn't consider it very capable at all as an off road vehicle though if that's what you meant.
My Forester wasn't great on mud. No way to lock the diff(s), and I don't think they were any electronics to help. I've now got an X-Trail which has a diff lock switch and some electronics to help, and seems better in the same (or worse) mud. Both had A/T tires.
I own a 2003 mk2 CRV but drive Discovery 4, BMW X5 twin turbos and the odd basic freelander at work. I used to own an Impreza. The Crv is better than the x5 and impreza but not as good as the discovery and about on par with the freelander in axle deep snow and muddy tracks.
I don't really care what a nonsensical unrealistic test says about any car. Real world is the important bit.
Zokes' annual retelling of the big truck rescue story!
That test does seem pretty unrealistic and Honda have explained why the system doesn't work in those circumstances. It even explains why it starts to slide off the rollers after a certain time.
Not sure what the issue is....if they had managed to demonstrate the same issue on a wet field or muddy lane, then yes....they might have a point.
Can't remember the last time I came across a load of material transfer rollers on the road, but I'll be sure to look out for them, and if I find myself in a crv I'll try not to stop my front wheels on them!
The other AWD cars did OK.
CRV isn't AWD.
Dont confuse the poor lad kingocelot 🙂
Zokes' annual retelling of the big truck rescue story!
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Meh. I don't do much posting these days so just save the better stuff for re-telling 🙂
It's still a damned sight better at being both a car and a 4wd than most things mentioned above
trail_rat - Member
Dont confuse the poor lad kingocelot
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He reminds me of the guy opposite me at work, who came to driving quite late and is desperate to be part of the petrol head club, he told me he didn't like my new car as he found v6s "too woolfy" I tried to explain it was a straight not a v and the difference between them but I gave up. It turned out his experience of v6's was a quick test drive at a dealer...
I think we get too hung up on awd ability when looking at 4x4. It's only part of why you buy cars like the crv
Slab sided forks mean the crv doesnt handle well in cross winds ....
Oh wait thats a different subject isnit it.
Mikewsmith I missed your post. With that thinking you'd be happy on any bike in the market.
Yesterday I took a detour off the M62 due to snarl ups and drove over the A640. I wouldn't have considered doing that in a Golf. Not that they aren't capable on winters, I just feel relaxed and at ease with the way Subaru's drive. Guess that's why I always return to the marque. I've owned and driven many Golf derivatives. I found almost all of them abit vanilla. Mmaybe a better drive on the motorway but hey that's opinion. My bro in law however is a VW Golf fanboi. Loves em. Its all personal preference.
"marque" 🙄
"Get set...."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jJGURnBNQ
seemed to work in this vid
Does mine work I do not know and I most probably never will because if the conditions are that bad I will not drive.
So why did I buy a CR-V because it is a comfortable mile eater and suits our needs
Mine's worked well for 8 years, very reliable, only issues in the snow has been stopping not getting going (and that's down to my driving not the car). Worked well offroad as well. Only issue we've had was putting new deep tread tyres on the front and leaving the old fairly worn tyres on the back. The transmission did not like that, very noisy, new tyres on the back and all was fine.
It's not a proper 4wd but doesn't pretend to be but works well when 2wd cars struggle. Now our old long wheelbase Vitara, that was a proper 4wd, low box and everything.
Seems pretty clear, there's a front torque bias under normal use. Rear axle cant handle full torque on its own.
Hora, if you stuck one wheel of a landy on those rollers without the centre diff locked the same thing would happen. With the diff locked, one wheel on each axle on the rollers would have it stuck.
Should they be remarketed as 1 or 2 wheel drive? Didn't think so.
Or his subaru kenneth - same thing.
Yesterday I took a detour off the M62 due to snarl ups and drove over the A640. I wouldn't have considered doing that in a Golf.
HARDCORE! I can see why you're such an expert in off road abilities. Whilst driving a CR-V I regularly drove the A93 through Glenshee (only ever couldn't get through when the snow gates were closed), B974 Cairn O'Mount (same). and A826 Aberfeldy-Creiff (no snpw gates so never didn't make it),
But Rochdale - Huddersfield, that is just awesome.
I'm acquainted with the head stalker on a Highland estate, whose house is up several miles of shitty track, and where the winter snowfall sometimes necessitates him driving his kids down to the main road on the snowmobile to catch the school bus. He has a Hilux, but guess what his wife uses after a series of truly awful LRs - that's right, a CRV, which apart from snowmobile days that neither his quad or Hilux can cope with, gets everywhere they need to go and doesn't ever break.
^^^That can't be true ( actually I think it is).
Hora says no way that's possible but if they do get stuck he'll pick them up in his Subaru.
nice vid saladdodger, but although it shows the rear wheels spinning, it also seems to show a car out witted by 2cm of snow.
only issues in the snow has been stopping not getting going (and that's down to [s]my driving[/s] the tyres not the car)
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It shows a driver outwitted by 2mm of snow. A fully prepped icelandic expolation truck drive like a fud would give similar results as the crv. Yet most 2wd cars driven with some sense would have made t.
The whole purpose f video seems l be to show how the crv rear wheels do work in real world
soobalias - Member
nice vid saladdodger, but although it shows the rear wheels spinning, it also seems to show a car out witted by 2cm of snow.
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Did you read the description on the video?
Yesterday I took a detour off the M62 due to snarl ups and drove over the A640. I wouldn't have considered doing that in a Golf. Not that they aren't capable on winters, I just feel relaxed and at ease with the way Subaru's drive. Guess that's why I always return to the marque. I've owned and driven many Golf derivatives. I found almost all of them abit vanilla. Mmaybe a better drive on the motorway but hey that's opinion. My bro in law however is a VW Golf fanboi. Loves em. Its all personal preference.
Brilliant.
Or his subaru kenneth - same thing.
That reminds me of the Impreza I came across on the A90 during the 2010 thundersnow (yes, that is as awesome as it sounds).
I stopped to see if they needed a tow and got out to speak to the driver. I noticed one wheel spinning frantically. 'Err, has this thing got a centre diff lock mate?'
'Dunno, whats that?' says he.
Following a quick squint at the dash, 'try that button'
*pushes button*
*drives off*
In conclusion, subarus are terrible. Or is it that you should know how the system works and drive accordingly?
Molly, does now also have betterer tyres on, hence the saga with noise transmission. Does make a massive difference though with the right tyres.
Rochdale? That's 11miles from my Victor vector Charlie.
I posted a link then get hungover angry men protecting a retiree's weapon of choice. Marvelous. Take a bow 😆 what next? Humbugs proven not to be soothing and you'll get outraged?
Huh , we aint defending subaru's though.
I don't think anyone's been angry. They are just trying to educate you on different drive systems in cars to counter your opening statement which is poorly informed. It's clearly not worked.
Neither does the CRV in the OP clip. Give up. You'll never win.
Never win what? What is your actual point, Hora?
Win what? Everything seems to be going in one ear and out the other with you not really understanding in between.
So you are saying the car throttles test was a false flag? Why didn't Honda UK pull it apart then? A prime opportunity.
A lockable diff. No offense but Subaru's aren't 4x4's like landies. They are marketed as ALLwheeldrive. Not two spinning whilst waiting for the two rears.
What doesn't seem to tie up with the 'type of 4wd' comments is that, when you read the article, They raised this issue with Honda in the previous years review, and Honda seemingly responded with a software update that solved the problem. If they admitted it was a problem last time and changed the software, then it seems very inconsistent to deny there's a problem now.
Test doesn't seem that unrealistic for snow and ice.
So to sum up - the CRV soft roader doesn't have full 4wd and gnar offroad features.
Is that a big deal? Does their marketing suggest otherwise?
I hate to bring facts to this party, but here's a good article covering the basics.
http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/4-a-wd-1451744993
Yep i ****ed up , forgot my landies only 2 wheel drive till i ask it to be 4wd .....
Its not 1954 any more.
Ah well what the hell I do not really need a 4wd cos I live in devon not the third world 😉
The CR-V suits me
BTW how can you tell when the er rear axel kicks in ? would I notice? also I guess you would need winter tyres too