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What response would he get if he threatened to have a hissy fit, and demand an absolutely massive pay rise for his far-from-mediocre performance?
The banker in your example isn't demanding a pay rise, he's asking for what was promised him as part of his pay. Significant difference.
To be honest binners I agree with much of what you say in principle but the way you say it makes you sound like a knee jerk socialist butter...
[i]The 600000 jobs if there the ones on the super duper universal jobmatch website than it's a frigging joke, most of the jobs are self employed home shopping such as kleeneze, you enter your details at it gives you jobs in London when you live in Dorset and to make matters even better you apply via this super duper website and it allows you to see how your application is going, out of 37 jobs applied for only one application has been viewed by the employer it's a joke, when you mention this to the staff you get reminded you have already had one warning (due to the trains not running and you called the office but they require 3 hours notice of not attending, you call when they open but as your appointment is at 09:30 it doesn't give enough time) and one more and your JSA will be stopped.[/i]
I signed on last year and found the same as you, the website you must use is dire. It doesn't (fully) record your actions, meaning you've to independently write everything down to 'prove' that you've been looking. Its use is mandatory.
In fact pretty much any of the IT Professional on here (and I know there are lots) would be gobsmacked how bad it is.
Signing on every day may sound easy, but in a rural area you could end up spending most of your JSA on travelling.
Somewhat to my surprise, my jobcentre adviser let me off using their terrible website as long as I was doing tons of searching on, her words, "proper ones" 😆
Way too much politics and name calling going on as usual both on here and amongst the politicians. The problem isn't easy to solve which is why none of the politicians have done anything radical to resolve it. Any policy that actually makes a difference will massively upset some people on principle and be too nuanced for it to get the support of most of the population.
In my opinion we have a small proportion of people with an entitlement culture, some of whom are total work shy wastes of space, I suspect many though have ended up in that situation through desperation and can't see how they can support themselves through work so can only see the state as providers.
Secondly we have an ever growing part of the population who don't have the skills or capacity for work, the very manual simple jobs are gone, many of the low wage replacements in the retail or service sector require a reasonable level of personal interaction and basic IT skills. Some of this can be taught but there's always going to be people out there better qualified even in times of full employment, with free movement within Europe people will travel in so we'll still have the indigenous unemployable.
The whole job centre system needs to focus on helping people make the most of their skills and get back into work. At least we all agree the current service is destroying the people it's supposed to help.
Maybe we should be spending less time and resources in the short term on the long term / unemployable and divert those resources into improving the service for the bulk who have a reasonable chance of getting back into work instead of destroying their confidence. The flip side to this is to accept we will need to support the ****less minority in the meantime or we will end up with a society we really don't like.
The bonus issues is a seperate problem, it's not as simple as a redistribution of wealth, we already have far more people as net recipients in our society, making the net contributors give more isn't the answer, rebalancing society so normal people can support themsleves with a reasonable lifestyle without relying on the state for top ups. Minimum wage/ living wage, severely restricting minimum hours contracts and rssetting the housing market so the cost of owning / renting is in line with earnings.
Anyway it's not going to change because the population and therefore the politicians won't face up to hard decisions. It'll continue to be everyman for himself and hoping your luck holds.
Solutions, no idea but we do need to face up to the facts and treat each group appropriately. Maybe a modern day equivilent of the workhouse for the entitled, it doesn't in theory have to be dehumanising although it will atttract stigma.
There are some really heartless, uninformed and quite frankly scary contributors on this thread. The poor aren't my enemy any more than the rich are - Divide et impera.
My experience of being unemployed is almost identical to Northwinds. Made redundant a year ago and lucky enough to find work quickly, so no real experience of how the system works for the long term unemployed.
I found having to turn up at the job centre to apparently find work, took valuable time away from actually looking for work. The website is terrible. The job centre I attended seemed to keep a lot of sneering paper stampers in employment though. Forcing what appears to be a fairly small number of claimants to attend daily, will surely take resources away from the majority unemployed who have not been out of work as long.