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"Good to see you're doing your bit to put an end to manufacturing things in Europe, Brant. No-one likes dirty, smelly factories with jobs in them."
OR , MAYBE
"Keep up the good work mate , we have 45 staff who work in our dirty smelly Rotherham factory and the wage bill is coming round pretty quick . No one likes to see South yorkshires unemployed numbers grow so get your finger out and we should continue to buck the economic trend and create more jobs .""
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Found a nice Ti stem, Stoner 🙂
Smuggle it back in your bikini waxing kit 😉
How's it going? And stop bloggin food. I dont care that you eat fish heads, I want to see bike bling 😉
I don't eat fish heads. I did have frog the other day though.
I stem left at factory, but factory was *very nice* and has some ace stuff. Got a few samples coming, then I think we're right back on the Ti thing again.
In Shanghai today for Merino meetings. Then Guangzhou tonight for carbontastic stuff tomorrow.
Going to have another half hour snooze then try to find some breakfast.
livin' the dream, Brant, livin' the dream 😉
so noodly Ti stems agogo?
dumplings for breakfast soon...
In other news, I'm about to buy a 456
I want a 456. I would quite like to tow the trailer off-road, but I've heard many stories about the trailer load twisting the back end of a full sus. A 456 would be the perfect swap for all the gear on my 5 I reckon.
so noodly Ti stems agogo?
I'll get you a sample made.
I've asked Jamie in customer service to look into it for you.
Sorry for your wait.And guess what?
I'm still waiting.
He was off yesterday. My mistake - I should have sent it to the general address or pestered better, but I am 8hrs ahead on the other side of the world.
Jamie just replied and said he'd look into the issue when he's back in. Which I think is tomorrow. But that's my today.
Jamie just replied and said he'd look into the issue when he's back in. Which I think is tomorrow. But that's my today.
As this was posted 7 hours ago, will that be yesterday now?
As this was posted 7 hours ago, will that be yesterday now?
It's my tomorrow in seven hours.
So I don't think so.
Your Rotheram "factory" is no more a factory than my shed; maybe less as lots of theings get machined, welded and brazed in my shed. Marketing, buying, retailing, a bit of design (personalising chinese generics), some assembly. How about "big bike shop". How many qualified TIG welders are among the 45?
An elaboration and a question before I go swimming in France:
Back in the 50s Raleigh bought steel rolls and tubes and built bicycles in their Nottingham factories. They bought tyres from the nearby Dunlop factory and few few bits from other sub-contractors but the vast majority of the manufacturing was done in-house.
I bought from Dawes in Tyseley in the nineties and watched as guys turned Renoylds tubes made just down the road into frames which were then painted and built up. The vast majoity of the parts were by then imported; Shimano groups, Mavic rims, DT spokes, Nokian tyres. When they moved to Redditch the bikes became yet another made in Taiwan, assembled and sold as a UK brand.
So how many of the parts that make up an On-One are manufactured in the UK, Brant/PlanetX?
[i]a question before I go swimming in France[/i]
can one swim in an entire country?
No. That would just be in Seine
*boom tish* 🙂
No-one likes [s]dirty, smelly factories with jobs in them[/s] paying way more for something they could get for less
FTFY
Your Rotheram "factory" is no more a factory than my shed; maybe less as lots of theings get machined, welded and brazed in my shed. Marketing, buying, retailing, a bit of design (personalising chinese generics), some assembly. How about "big bike shop". How many qualified TIG welders are among the 45?
Would you rather your kids grew up and earnt 20p/day in a yorkshire wool/cotton mill (shipped that industry off to india a while back), or maybe in an industry like bike welding for £5/hour (see Brants trip to China), or maybe marketing for £12/hour (which we'll lament loseing to some other country in a few years to be replaced by the next biig thing. Because thats what we're good at, inventing new things and jobs!
200 years ago people lamented the groowth of factories and towns, they believed that subsistence farming was the only real and honest way to make a living.
Luddites thought sowing seed by hand was the only way to go 🙄
Give the guy a break..... I'm not an on one/ planet x sycophant (dont own a single item from either) but its ok kit for not much money which keeps a bunch of people employed...
I have been discussing with a factory the possibility of putting jigs and equipment in a container, shipping it all here. Flying in a welder from Taiwan, having him weld the frames here. Then shipping it all back again.
That'd be "made in the uk" right?
Hi Brant in china
have you been to the light factories yet
you should take the Italian approach of 'if more than 50% of the value is added in Italy then it's Made in Italy' and then argue that painting the frames and putting an on-one badge on them = 51% of their value and you've got the right to add a union jack to them 🙂
Works for most of the Italian bike industry with carbon frames.
Edukator. The UK lost the manufacturing capability long before Brant even thought about bikes. It was mostly offshore by then. Other than a few niche companies, little is left here. It would take the most unbusinesslike philanthropic effort to recreate any large scale manufacturing of bikes in the UK. To make that sort of illogical connection to Brant in China now is absurd.
Our carbon frames are quite Italian as they are designed and made by company where Roberto Billato is general manager.
Chris. Not yet. That's Thursday, and then only one.
there you go - on-one - "anglo-italian frames"
Dave from PlanetX has stated on another forum that your carbon frames are made by Xpace, Brant. The general manager of Xpace is [url= http://www.xpa-cycling.com/contact.php?url=key_Person.php ]Benson Cheng.[/url] Xpace also makes frames for Museeuw and Museeuw claims that Roberto Billato works for him, Billato is not however general manager.
I suggest other STWers do their own research on this if they are interested and compare their findings with Brant's statement.
I suggest other STWers couldn't give a flying monkey poo whether or not an Italian may or may not be a manager in On-Ones carbon frame builder?
"On One - your tomorrow is our today"
Don't mention it......
Well I guess they make Indian meals in factories in Stoke Newington 😐
YOU HAD THE SHITS YET?
Edit: the following reply was written in response to Hora's last post on the previous page. He has since edited what was a perfectly reasonable question to which I relpied as follows:
Not quite, Hora, for your analogy to work the Italian would have to work a competitor based in Belgian when he's not looking after the Italian family business he part owns.
Daveplanetx on "another forum":
"[i]Our new road frame nanolight - again is an open model , made by xpace , designed by Paul Farrell , its been tested by Lovatt , and signed off . Its made to the same standards , material , tecnology as the highest spec bikes from Merckx and Fondriest . Should be exclusive to us in the uk as part of our long term deal (they are producing our carbon 29er)[/i]"
*wanders off wishing Edukator would just say what the real problem he has with planet-x/on-one is*
*wanders off wishing Edukator would just say what the real problem he has with planet-x/on-one is*
Could it be the same as mine?
we won't know unless he says...
Just intrigued by Brant's statement Wwaswas.
[url= http://it.linkedin.com/pub/roberto-billato/a/117/457 ]Roberto Billato[/url] started a company called [url= http://fibertek.company.weiku.com/about/ ]Fibertek[/url] in May last year.
So now a second question for Brant. Who makes PlanetX/On-One frames? Xpace as DaveplanetX stated in March 2010 or have you changed to Fibretek as your post on the previous page implies? Both very much Chinese companies but one does have an Italian manager.
Edukator why does it matter?
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Grant say hello to Phil for me
"started with" not "started" in my last text.
Edukator - they changed factories and then there was a bit of a problem with quantities built which delayed things.
so what your chart shows is that people prefer to buy somethign cheaper if they can find the same quality at a lower price and that manufacturing is subject to the laws of supply and demand?
and the same people have a winge about high unemployment.
My chart shows that there are now 500 people working in a Chinese factory that could be working in a British factory. I could link the UK unemployment chart but I'm sure you're aware of current unemployment levels.
Supply and demand is all very well but simply isn't being allowed to work. The Chinese government controls the demand for dollars to maintain a favourable Yuan exchange rate - intervention. A lack of mobility of labour means the Chinese can't move to better paid jobs - they're stuck in China. If we don't intervene too then our main export will continue to be jobs.
We need to create the economic conditions that mean ON-One and Planetx can make their frames and other kit at competetive prices in the UK and Europe. Until then, every frame imported is another nail in our economic coffin.
I don't want free trade, I want fair trade.
did I read earlier that you're in France Edukator - do you live there?
I don't want free trade, I want fair trade.
That would be novel, don't think there has ever been 'fair' trade. Always someone somewhere leveraging things for their own benefits. Empire anyone?