I’m also aware that we either need to get doing stuff, or we just sit around and tell each other how bad its gonna get, and I know which camp I’m in.
So what are you doing? Have you cancelled any oil licences today? Built any wind farms?. Turned over any beef ranches to vegetable production?
Hate to mention this, but Punks were Boomers. As were the people that created the internet, 80s pop, rap and ‘politcal correctness’.
Question of perspective I guess. I'm very much GenX but my cultural childhood and teenage years were totally shaped by punk and what came after (that attitude carried on by rave culture, through the Crusties and into grunge)
Social media is a GenY creation. Gen X was 65-80. GenX got to see the birth of the internet and the mobile phone but also remember a time before both.
T’internet was created by boomers.
Geocities was 1994, tbh bit of a grey area as it was mostly post GenX that really pushed social media to its current heights, but i dont think Gen Y created it. Myspace founders are Gen x i think.
Define ‘better’. It’s a bit of a daft question really. Things will be different for sure, some people will be better off, some worse off.
It was a question based on will we be generally better, off course it will differ by person but if you can't deal with the generalness of it then the very first question around peak humanity is also daft as peak of what.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/younger-voters-far-right-europe
This kind of backs up what I was saying about mainstream parties giving zero shits about young people after 50 years of chasing the votes of a single demographic across most of Europe.
They don't even agree with far right parties but simply because the far right acknowledges they exist they get their votes. The first mainstream party to figure this out will dominate any election.
You see it on here on the politics threads. So many people say the most important thing is that we get the Tories out.
It's easy to say that when Labour is focused on your issues. Labour doesn't give a shit about me or anyone younger than me.
Sorry, but getting the Tories out is the most important thing for you. Not for me.
Lots of people looking through a UK lens...but globally we're undoubtedly heading in the wrong direction...population is too high, resource depletion, climate and biodiversity crisis etc.
Humanity will be like Mad Max then quickly like The Road in the next 150 years!
Biking plus beers is a healthy way to not stress about it, and generally i don't. But for the first time ever i did have a sleepless night this summer of basically thinking 'we're ****ed'.
Drink anyone?
Look at the likes of Tik Tok, YouTube and Facebook shorts etc and you'll realise peak must have been a long time ago and that we're currently spiralling downwards out of control. I could blame social media but it probably started with ITV.
Methinks we are stuffed but ultimately, so what?
You can wrap things up how you like but the problem with this rock we live on is population. If Covid had been, say, Ebola we might have stood a change. The world needs 25% of the people it has or less plus a return to a less technical and indulgent life that no one seems to mention. For example, instead of green electricity why not ban it? If there were no more mobile phones or computers how much better off would the world be?
"Mass starvation in marginal countries and food shortages even in europe. mass migration from uninhabitable countries, water wars, Billions dead, billions displaced."
Just what the world needs
Ha, I'm stealing that
C'mon guys, let's go easy on TJ. Personally I agree with him, but I tend not to vocalise, because, well, people do know how serious shit is getting but 🙄, evangelism gets boring pretty quick. The vast majority are too self entitled to actually make any change in their lifestyles; have you seen the absolute crap that's flying off the shelves at the moment? Not just Christmas tat, but TVs, car's, phones, fuel and white goods. There will be no great enlightenment; it'll all eventually turn to shit, but hopefully us, ours and our immediate offspring won't bear the brunt. But somebody's going to if this continues, that's fo'sure.
TJ , you have inspired me!!!!
To give up altogether and go out with a bang instead, as you say we are screwed, to many idiots, no point prolonging the pain...well done, and i thank you, i have been trying my best but as you say its pointless.
But then i read the other posters comments and i have hope, thanks to all who have the knowledge to help, im stupid but i do try, and admire and support those on here who clearly are very intelligent and are going about this in the correct manor.
you know who you are..
Thanks
Doctor I am depressed because women don't have the vote.
Have you tried chaining yourself to a fence?
Doctor I am depressed because I don't have access to the countryside.
Have you tried trespassing on a hill?
, i have been trying my best but as you say its pointless.
I haven't said that once
what is pointless is pretending that the course we are on will prevent the eco collapse. That the eco collapse can be prevented without major lifestyle change that some magical technological solution will come along and that savings of a few % in the west are going to make any difference<br /><br />
We have a simple choice - major lifestyle changes in the west along with huge support to developing nations to develop in a low impact way or within your childrens lifetimes the eco collapse will happen
Its already started - the early signs are there.
TJ I largely agree with you, humanity faces huge challenges. I think the push back you're getting is the assertion that billions will die. That's your opinion not fact. I personally disagree, humans have a great many flaws and are pretty terrible at forward thinking but when our backs are against the wall we can do amazing things.
I'm sure that in the 1930's as the nazi war machine rampaged across europe things looked pretty hopeless but people fought on, persevered and things improved.
As the plague ripped through Europe things must have looked completely hopeless but humanity marched on.
Take your pick of any of the many disasters that have faced us and we persevere. The general trend is upwards.
To the OP I don't think we've hit peak humanity, not even close.
NOne of those things led to large parts of the planet becoming uninhabitable tho. People have their heads in the sand over it We simply will not have enough food and fresh water to support the population at current levels.
yes its opinion but its one based on understanding the issues and one shared by many
Take a step away from the internet. You always do this all the ****ing time, you'll now obsessively bukakke the thread with the same post over and over again, posting the same shit. I have no idea why you're so tolerated and why others excuse your behaviour.
You are one of the reasons this place is referred to as the Same Ten ****. Get a grip of yourself.
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'bukakke the thread' I'm stealing this as well!
relapsed_mandalorian is correct....
Seems like someone might not be in a good place at the moment. Seems like time to ease off.
If thats aimed at me I am fine.
I am just frustrated with the refusal to acknowledge how serious this is. We are already at 1.4 c rise in temps. current policies will take us to 3C rise. Even if the world suddenly changes course and follows the pledges from COP ( which no country has done yet) its going to be 2 degrees plus rise which is where the collapse starts<br /><br />Ok I have obviously peed some of you off. You do not like facing the reality I'll leave you to it
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I'm in a perfectly fine place, tired of the usual suspects dominating threads with their same 3 arguments on repeat like a Poundland pundit.
Don't ever mistake my annoyance as a front or projection of anything other than what it is. I don't use the internet to avoid what a therapist might advise or as an outlet for my mid-life angst, I have my shit and my mind-set well and truly in order.
Maybe others might look to doing the same instead of pissing on everyone's chips with their personal brand of misery.
I’m sure that in the 1930’s as the nazi war machine rampaged across europe things looked pretty hopeless but people fought on, persevered and things improved.
As far as I can see TJ is the only one here doing any actual persevering and fighting on, by adjusting his life to address the challenges. The rest of you/us are just doing what we always do and hoping that someone else figures out a solution.
I’m in a perfectly fine place, tired of the usual suspects dominating threads with their same 3 arguments on repeat like a Poundland pundit.
Yawn. Have you considered not clicking the links? It’s really quite easy.
Christ. To clarify the "Ease off" post I was referring to tj's end of the world predictions and the misery there-in; and suggesting that we maybe ease off him a bit before we push him further into the pit. That back-fired. I won't bother next time a thread descends into a kicking contest.
Brian - I appreciate the sentiment but I am perfectly aware that making controversial points will get me a kicking - live by the sword and all that. I am not wallowing in misery nor does this thread increase it. Just a bit frustrated at the head in the sand attitude from many.
Thanks for that link TJ.
It’s about a whole host of possible tipping points that are likely in quite short timespans on our current course. Worth a quick read by everyone.
Its worth noting that 1.5c is already baked in. 2 minimum if we follow COP which no one is doing. 2.5 on our current trajectory minimum rise
That article is just what i was saying and getting a kicking for
That article is just what i was saying and getting a kicking for
Well firstly you weren't getting a kicking, some of us just had a different opinion. Secondly we weren't disagreeing (at least I wasn't) on the scale and seriousness of the problem, but the approach to solving it. Telling everyone that they have to give up their modern lives and go back to living a life of poverty and struggle isn't a solution and will only deliver the outcome you want to avoid. Your fire and brimstone approach only achieves fatalism, resentment and inaction.
It's interesting that Bruce spent 5 pages suggesting that the boomers were to blame and then posted a link that points out that the young are pretty enthusiastic about a bit of fascism as long as they can get their fix of consumer goods.
I think TJ is probably right as things stand today. If there isn't some massive technological change, we'll never hit that 11 billion in 2100, we'll be down to about 4 billion wandering around in the smoking ruins. Or some of us might be saved by a proper pandemic that kills 70% of us. But we won't go on 'as things stand today' - things will change, and as some of the optimists have said, people are capable of extraordinary things when their backs are to the wall. All we can do as citizens (or subjects, if you're in the UK) is keep up the political pressure on governments to actually do something.
A proper pandemic would be natures way of dealing with it and ultimately save mankind from itself. Imagine if Covid had a 90% fatality rate for example.
Well firstly you weren’t getting a kicking, some of us just had a different opinion.
How would you describe this then?
I have no idea why you’re so tolerated and why others excuse your behaviour.
Calling for TJ not to be tolerated, and liked by 5 other people, can fairly be described as a kicking imo.
I don't know why you are being so dismissive Daz, it brought the thread to a halt.
Calling for TJ not to be tolerated, and liked by 5 other people, can fairly be described as a kicking imo.
Maybe that was because TJ was doing some kicking himself? Anyway, that wasn't me, and you should know what my opinion is of those on here who constantly try to cancel others. As far as I'm concerned as long as it's not racists or conspiracy nuts spreading hate or misinformation then people should be able to say what the hell they like on here.
Back on topic though, what the reaction to TJ's views does demonstrate is my point that if you try to guilt-trip people into doing something which isn't necessarily their fault or something they didn't have any control over, then they'll probably tell you to f-off and you'll get the opposite result to the one you wanted.
The point is dazh that continuing as we are will lead to eco collapse. Your approach will inevitability lead to it.
Im not trying to guilt trip. I am trying to get folk to understand the seriousness of the crisis which you keep dowplaying
I probably needed a bit of a kick to shut up and stop belabouring the point. Could gave been a bit gentler mind you
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people are capable of extraordinary things when their backs are to the wall
Who are these people and when are they going to get started? Clock's ticking!
Im not trying to guilt trip. I am trying to get folk to understand the seriousness of the crisis which you keep dowplaying
Trying to terrify everyone into action won't work either, because as we've seen on this thread they'll become fatalistic and think there's nothing that can be done. The scientists and politicians would be better off just quietly getting on with whatever it is that needs doing whether the voting public like it or not.
Quietly doesn’t mean in secret.
And pretending it’s for the public to make changes, rather than politicians to make the decisions, is a road to nowhere.
We can all do small things, governments and international bodies need to do the big things, and fast.
And pretending it’s for the public to make changes, rather than politicians to make the decisions, is a road to nowhere.
Surely politicians should be making a case for serious action and then the public voting on it. Isn't that how this thing is supposed to work? Instead politicians are weaponising the issue to try to keep their scrawny necks in power a bit longer.
How would you describe this then?
I have no idea why you’re so tolerated and why others excuse your behaviour.
Calling for TJ not to be tolerated, and liked by 5 other people, can fairly be described as a kicking imo.
Looks like a question to me, you, as per usual you infer or add your own slant; something you have form for.
Nowhere did I call for anyone to be 'not tolerated' if I did, you'd know as it would be explicit.
And if you think that's a kicking, you need to have a word with yourself and question why your resilience is so low and your perspective and ability to read objectively is so distorted.
But I expect nothing less from you Ernie, you behaviour in the forums is hardly a stellar example of integrity.
That article is just what i was saying and getting a kicking for
And articles like that have been failing for decades.
