This guy https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46042314 seems to have upset a few people,but he has left out some vital information for me.Firstly,when you've killed your vegan,how long should they hang before roasting,and secondly, if it becomes legal,will it be acceptable to carry a humane killer in the car,in case you only wing one?
There was a bloke defending the journo's actions last night on PM, and a vegan to counter him.
The vegan won by a large margin....perhaps they aren't so wimpy after all!
Seriously, whilst I like a good vegan joke with the best of them, it does seem like we are consuming too much of the planet resources by eating meat and if you have ever seen a commercial milking system in operation then you'll be on the soya substitute quicker than winking.
Not sure about the honey though.....
Vegans are better than Fruitarians though.
Someone I work with cant eat food that would result in the killing of the plant. So they cant eat carrots, as to harvest them you remove the whole plant. But can eat say an Apple, as that wont kill a tree.
They were doing if for daft religious reasons. What's even more daft is they admitted it ended up with them having a very bad diet.
in case you only wing one
Line the wheels up better
That guy's comment was so wrong. Would take far too long to kill them one by one. Round them up and use some sort of industrial conveyor system.
Round them up and use some sort of industrial conveyor system.
Wouldnt work. They’d all take off and escape
They’d all take off and escape
They can only take off if you wind them up first.
Joking about killing someone to death? A heinous crime!
The vegan won by a large margin….perhaps they aren’t so wimpy after all!
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">I had a debate with a cyclist once. I left feeling enjoyably challenged, yet still respected...</span>
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Perhaps they aren't such rude, arrogant, selfish, tree-hugging, red-light-jumping, holier-than-thou road-hogging, freeloading lycra-louts afer-all!</span>
Well, maybe some aren't.
Flexitarianism is the way forward.
Once we've killed them, can we eat them? Surely, by their logic re: use of resources, thats what they would have wanted?
Anyway.... the standard Daily mash taking the piss out of vegans link
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Nobody took offence except the shareholders who know how much the vegan market is worth.
Poah don't you comment on every single vegan thread? Is there something you want to tell us?
I am a fully blown meat eater but honestly, as much fun as people make about vegans they are absolutely right, and always will be. Everyone should go vegan if we're to help the planet in anyway, but I just can't bring myself to do it.
I love vegans.
But I couldn't eat a whole one.
Guy obviously has a bit of a 'trigger' with veganism - not sure it merits having to quit your job mind you. If everyone who gets wound up about some other social situation has to pack in work, it'll probably have a slightly bigger impact than Brexit!
Joking about killing someone to death? A heinous crime!
didnt someone suggest sticking a knife in maybot v1. 0 recentley would be a heinous crime surely also
it does seem that these days to progress ones social needia career or writing unimportant drivel column a prerequisite is that your offended by absolutely every single ****ing thing on the planet and hope your in the right camp when it goes viral
Once we’ve killed them, can we eat them?
Come to think of it, junk yard hasn't been on here for ages 🤔
Everyone should go vegan if we’re to help the planet in anyway, but I just can’t bring myself to do it.
No. Just reduce meat intake. You don't need meat 3 times a day, 7 days a week.
The normal bacon exclusion applies though.
You can't argue against veganism. Check out Earthling Ed on YouTube. I went vegan for a couple of months earlier this year. Watched the documentaries, read some stuff. It all makes complete sense. However I do eat some meat again now but much less frequently. Basically I love beef, be it a ribeye, a burger or brisket.
Come to think of it, junk yard hasn’t been on here for ages
Killed and eaten with a cranberry and ponytail reduction
Worst episode of Celebrity Masterchef ever.
it does seem that these days to progress ones social needia career or writing unimportant drivel column a prerequisite is that your offended by absolutely every single **** thing on the planet and hope your in the right camp when it goes viral
Google Paul Stenson from the White Moose Cafe and/or Outrage Marketing. no one will promote/publicise your business faster than folk who are offended by it/the things you say around it.
Because of it, a small cafe in Dublin has hundreds of thousands of followers on social media, all started because he asked vegans to give 24hrs notice before they came in with their ridiculous dietary requirements/demands.
He then went on to suggest he would charge corkage for breastfeeding mums, and anyone asking for gluten free food would have to provide a doctors note to say they were coeliac.
Reviews for the place in all the usual places are either 5 star or 1 star, nothing in between. The vast majority of 'reviewers' having never set foot in Ireland, let alone his cafe.
But can eat say an Apple, as that wont kill a tree.
Did you mean ipods or Apple users? Users could mean catching a dose of unbearable smugness, a bit like eating a vegan I suppose
I'm vegan, and of course an avid cyclist. It's nice to be doubly hated by the majority 🙂
(although recently I switched to MTB from road, so a little bit less hated as out of sight)
Jesus. When did the world collectively lose its sense of humour? It was clearly intended as a joke - about as original and funny as "yes but bacon" but a joke nonetheless - and certainly not something that should cost someone their job.
Agreed! It's ridiculous, PR, brand protection. Maybe in the future he shouldn't reply to work emails when drunk though! 😀
not sure it merits having to quit your job mind you
Well if your employer has just launched a load of vegan products, it's not the cleverest thing for a magazine editor to say.
I don't really see it as being just about offence, but that's what the freedom of speech blowhards like to say, it's about commercial common sense.
The guy on PM was a joke, wasn't he a mate of the sackee?
my ignorance is obvious but what is a vegan product
tomato
potato
avocado
My mate is a vegan and keeps on banging on about how drinking cow's milk is a 'bit weird when you think about it' but he won't consider Human milk ?! and no matter how much he says drinking cows milk is weird it doesn't make cheese any less delicious.
A sense of humour is required, amongst the bacon rind.
commercial common sense.
Vegans are only a tiny proportion of the total market though (10% iirc?) if offending them wins you more fans in the 90% then the juice may be worth the squeeze [/bullshit bingo]
You can’t argue against veganism.
Exactly, yet people do in an attempt to defend their choice to kill stuff just to eat it. Just need meat eaters to be a bit more grown up and admit that they know eating meat is bad but they eat it anyway.
I'm a Vegan and on hearing about it thought he was a bit of a bell-end and it could get back to him... and then got on with my life. However just as you get folk on here stridently defending even the most dickish of cycling moves, so you get Vegans who demand the right to be outraged because some hack jurno not good enough for the Ipswich gazette sends a pished email. We are just like any other group in society including cyclists and in-store magazine editors. Some are dicks. some are not.
And yet, Islay is overrun with wild goats that are eating all the plants! Eating one of them would be good for everyone, but that poor American lass got shouted at on the internet...
Yours,
Confused Meat Lover of Edinburgh
Do we think he might have got away with it if it'd been a joke in the traditional sense of the word (ie. actually funny)?
That was the worst offence for me, though being rude to would-be freelance journalists is a pretty big no-no too.
The vegan bit is here nor there really, but I bet they'll have a lovely big vegan feature in that mag sometime soon.
but that poor American lass got shouted at on the internet…
Yeah. That was weird too.
Is it OK to be a bigoted arsehole if you say it is "only a joke"?
does raising an issue as a joke class you as a bigot in relation to that issue? I could joke about the Scots having red hair and being miserly but it doesn't necessarily mean I think it's the case.
I bet they’ll have a lovely big vegan feature in that mag sometime soon.
Already had a whole vegan edition, IIRC, including No meaty adverts.
Food writers though... what a pointless existence. Death is actually too good for them.
And yet, Islay is overrun with wild goats that are eating all the plants! Eating one of them would be good for everyone, but that poor American lass got shouted at on the internet…
Controlling animal populations in not really about eating them (although if you are going to kill them you should eat them them at least)
The American lass got shouted at because she was shooting them for a laugh and then posing like some sort of hero for doing so.
The universal rule of "don't be a dick" applies here.
Its normally the ‘new’ Vegans that are pretty hardcore in my experience, debating them is near impossible.
Im speaking from personal experience being a Vegan from 2013 to 2016 when i look back on myself i was an absolute shit.
Its only when you truly live that lifestyle full time and fail you kind of realise why there are actually very few long term GENUINE vegans out there.
If you are long term i actually admire you.
The American lass got shouted at because she was shooting them for a laugh
I thought she was shooting them for a business?
I have many friends who live a Vegan lifestyle but would never refer to themselves as Vegan purely because people are dicks.
I would never debate with a Vegan or someone who lives a Vegan lifestyle about their beliefs because its none of my business how they live their lives or what they choose to eat. And I try not to be a dick.
I firmly believe the often aggressive reaction to someone's else's choice of lifestyle or diet is down to a feeling of guilt. I believe that deep down most would agree that the meat industry is not a very nice one with regards to animal welfare and our current level of consumption of meat is not sustainable for ever and not the most efficient use of resources given that there are a lot of people around the globe that are starving.
"But bacon though" is about as articulate as most people get once confronted with the reality of their own lifestyle choice.
Oh, and pigs are a lot more cleverer than dogs. I do believe that they really do know what is going on once they are winched onto the conveyor surrounded by the smell reminiscent of a first world war battle field.
I am not a Vegan or Vegetarian but I do feel the guilt that I do not care enough or have the compassion to make the leap.
I firmly believe the often aggressive reaction to someone’s else’s choice of lifestyle or diet is down to a feeling of guilt.
Or when the Vegan is missguided, the honey agrument is a classic.
"I have many friends who live a Vegan lifestyle but would never refer to themselves as Vegan purely because people are dicks."
Yep, that's a problem on both sides of the fence! I'm vegan but am the first to admit that many are nauseating. But on the other hand, telling people that one is vegan often ends in defensive dickish comments from meat eaters so I just tend to do my thing and let everyone battle it out.
As for honey, I don't consume it, but don't know too much about the ins and outs of production so again so when a meat eater starts banging on about it I just internally roll my eyes and get on with my life. I just don't need it in my life and don't consider food to be a big deal.
I'm not too worried about honey. Don't consume it very often. Mostly it's in some cereal bars or somewhat.
I understand the issue.
It is hillarious when you mention to people the "proper" vegans don't eat honey either, that tips them over the edge haha!
High 5's Walleater.There are actually more of us on here than might appear obvious, there was a thread sharing recipes about a year or so ago that ran to a few pages. We blend in because...well; we blend in.
Ignoring the 'vegan' aspect of this: This was an e-mail to a free-lancer bidding an idea. Sounds a pretty arrogant and belittling response to me. Given the context I can see why the bloke got the shove. (Disclaimer. I am neither freelance nor a journalist.)
Given the context I can see why the bloke got the shove.
He didnt. He resigned.
A great deal of vegan content especially on social media platforms is so heavily biased towards the cause that it becomes toxic.
When i was Vegan i was telling everybody not to eat honey because ‘ it kills bee’s’ , ‘ we are stealing their food’ . It was only when i properly researched the topic and met with beekeepers that i realised what i had been preaching was utter bollocks.
It wss at that point i realised there was absolutely no point in holding banners outside Mc Donalds but should have been outside ICI or any other firm that is producing the insecticides that pose the biggest threat to all life.
Rant over!
Or when the Vegan is missguided, the honey agrument is a classic.
It's a classic example of a small issue being used to attack the wider reasons for being vegan. Though I think that they have a point if you look at how mass-produced honey is made.
It’s a classic example of a small issue being used to attack the wider reasons for being vegan.
Its not a small issue. Its a huge issue.
Poah don’t you comment on every single vegan thread? Is there something you want to tell us?
why are you stalking me
I firmly believe the often aggressive reaction to someone’s else’s choice of lifestyle or diet is down to a feeling of guilt.
I think in many cases it's because the omnivore is expecting the vegan to start preaching as soon as they disclose that they're vegan and so decide to get the first blow in. That's been pretty much my experience, most of the time it plays out like this:
"I'm vegetarian."
"Oh, I could never do that, I love meat too much" etc etc something about bacon.
"That's fine, I didn't ask you to. I couldn't care less what you eat."
"Erm. Er, oh."
Its not a small issue. Its a huge issue.
Why is that?
As an aside,
Why is it always ****ing bacon, straight out of the gate? Why does no-one ever try to 'convert' me (or have a hilarious and totally original dig) with a rib-eye steak or a roast chicken or something?
It'd be the last thing on my list if I ever stopped being veggie, it looks like burnt shoe leather and smells absolutely rank.
Why does no-one ever try to ‘convert’ me (or have a hilarious and totally original dig) with a rib-eye steak or a roast chicken or something?
A challenge?
Can I interest you in a 16” Tandoori Munchie Box*?
It’ll change your life.
*Caution - May also contain traces of vegetables but not in a form you’d recognise
I've been vegan for nearly 7 years however I've been an awkward dick basically since birth...I also don't have a TV, just thought I should mention that to 😉
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Someone I work with cant eat food that would result in the killing of the plant. So they cant eat carrots, as to harvest them you remove the whole plant. But can eat say an Apple, as that wont kill a tree.
Apple abortion is a sin! Protect the seed's godgiven right to life!
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Why is that?
The importance of bees cannot be understated, there is plently of litrature online if you wanted to research them and the role they play.
For anyone still interested in the original story, this is from Popbitch today (it's the C-word BTW)...
Sitwell has apparently been considered something of an office liability for a while now, so it's no real surprise that his post-lunch emails were a little near the knuckle.
Coming back to work one afternoon, rather refreshed after a longish lunch break, he loudly announced to the office "It smells of **** in here!" Then, on another occasion, he was ushered out of a client meeting for turning up in similarly good spirits (he then used this unexpectedly free time to pop back out for a top-up).
And the less said about his nights on the town with Hardeep Singh Kohli, the better...
Why would people care what other people dont eat?
The importance of bees cannot be understated
Someone I work with cant eat food that would result in the killing of the plant.
Won't, not can't.
We're taking over duckman......or would be if it wasn't for our wimpy arms and vitamin B12 deficiency 😀
But bacon though...( apparently)
The importance of bees cannot be understated, there is plently of litrature online if you wanted to research them and the role they play.
I agree, but I was asking about the problem with eating honey.
Why is it always ****ing bacon
It was a pork pie which ended Mrs. SOM's vegetarian experiment.