[Closed] Have we done Tracey Emin?

She likes to show her boobies off for some reason 😕

[i]She likes to show her boobies off for some reason[/i]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Its no worse than Egon Shiele most of which I can't stand (except for Die kleine Stadt II), but then again I don't really get on with Klimt either.

I wasn't all that keen on her till I saw her chest, but after that I became much more enthusiastic - how shallow is [b]that [/b]??

she definitely outnorks Schiele and Klimt :o)

i've done tracey emin.

Have we done Tracey Emin?

If you're not sure then just check your name against the tent. 🙂

That self-portrait with timber and sparrow (sparrow?) is cool.
And I haven't seen her chest.

Done a bit ago - I think the consensus was BOBFOC.
Dunno about her art though - that wasn't discussed.

i'm not hugely into a lot of the contemporary art stuff (a piece of a4 folded in half, as shown at the st ives tate the other year, is laughable), but i am a huge tracy emin fan.

no matter what you think of her work,how can you not truly admire someone who takes an old beat beach hut worth about 50quid, jazzes it up a bit and calls it 'the last thing i said was don't leave me' then sells it to an overly rich ad man for silly silly cash. hats off to the woman!

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Beach huts are £30K down our way

nearer the £15 to £20k in our part of the world.

as for Emin - 'probably shouldn't but probably would'

it's the sea air.

30k's cheap if you're on the east coast near Southwold.

I think her "art" is bollocks to be honest, but I can't find an artist that can give me a decent definition of what art is and can be, so I guess that, if other people think it's art, it can be art.

Have we done Tracey Emin?

I wouldn't even do Tracey Emin with yours mate!

[Chuckles at GrahamS]

I do not understand what she is doing, and as it is also visually pretty unattractive and unspectacular I switch off. Clearly, I ought to spend more time on this stuff. But equally there was a time when intelligent people made gorgeous art that could be enjoyed even by philistines like me who didn't get it. 😕

From the Whitecube link:
A Sleep Alone with legs open
2005
Gouache, watercolour and pencil on canvas

I think you'll find it's spelt 'gash'

(might need to follow the link0

If it provokes a reaction (eg. getting discussed on here), it must have something.

Every bleeding thing provokes a reaction on here!

Her art isn't easy to defend - it's deliberately ugly and designed to provoke "my kids could do better" type comments. But I like her attitude as someone who is determined to leave an impression on the world, regardless of what other people might think. And it's funny how people seem to go out of their way to be outraged by this sort of stuff. Have you ever been forced to go to one of her exhibitions?

My kid draws better than her. And her tent wouldn't survive a summer rain shower. She's from Margate you know. etc.

. But equally there was a time when intelligent people made gorgeous art that could be enjoyed even by philistines like me who didn't get it

Well obviously you're still a philistine who doesn't get it. Let me explain.

Obviously this is a self-portrait of her in the morning after a night on the p1ss. She's clearly sh1t the bed, and she lying with legs open. The vagueness and lack of detail in the painting betrays the fact that it was done in a hurry in the morning (which re-enforces a connection with the painting) as she needed to sell it quickly in order to get some cash to buy some more booze. It also adds to that unique 'Tracey Emin quality' represented by the fact that she can neither paint nor draw.

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How is that not 'gorgeous art' ?

Well it sounds like you can relate to it anyway. Although you should probably replace "booze" with "smack". 😉

[doffs cap to ernie] 🙂

[i]represented by the fact that she can neither paint nor draw.[/i]

It's a bit dumb to say she can't paint or draw - she has an MA in painting from the Royal College of Art. You may not like what she paints or draws, but that is a different thing.

Most people want art to be something pretty to hang on the walls....boring......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You may not like what she paints or draws, but that is a different thing.

Apart from my CSEs, I have two 'O' levels. One of them happens to be Art.
So don't give me this "you don't know what your talking about" bollox.

😕

I have a GCE in Computer Science - you don't catch me telling IT bods how to do their job, no siree.

And we're back in the Lily Allen thread, only with slap-dash gouaches of unappealing minge.

I also went on a 'computer literacy course' aP. So I know a bit about that stuff too. Although I can't seem to figure out how you post a picture on here. Might have to enrol again this autumn 😕

Get an envelope, put the picture in it, address the envelope, then stick it in the post.
Actually, that is pretty much an analogy of posting a picture on here. 😛

So don't give me this "you don't know what your talking about" bollox.

So don't talk bollox. Simple enough 🙂

Although I can't seem to figure out how you post a picture on here

get a [s]grownup[/s] child to do it for you...

So don't talk bollox. Simple enough

Why not ? I can talk the bollox as good as anyone else.

Or is it some sort of privilege reserved for a select few ?

Its no worse than Egon Shiele most of which I can't stand (except for Die kleine Stadt II), but then again I don't really get on with Klimt either.

Entirely agree with you about Egon Schiele - didn't get it when I saw some of his work at an exhibition at the Tate in Liverpool and then subsequently saw a major retrospective in Dusseldorf when I was at a conference there and began to suspect that actually I did get it in the sense that there wasn't anything to get and it was an emporer's new clothes phenomenon.

Klimt, however, may have been an old lecher and produced a lot of heavily gilded artwork that has now become somewhat debased by overexposure on the walls of surburbia but when he wanted he could produce detail in paint that defied my ability to tell it from high definition photography when viewed at a distance of 6 inches. That is technical skill beyond my wildest imaginings and the print of his on my walls is a landscape and not a gilded lady.

Klimt.........somewhat debased by overexposure on the walls of surburbia

Cheeky git. I've got this on my wall about 12 feet from where I am right now in Croydon

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I love it 8)

... aren't we straying too far from norkaliciousness ??

ooh ernie, is that the final scene from the matrix?

Alright then, the Klimt landascapes I can endure, I much prefer Klee, or for stuff I'd actually buy, I collect (oh look you) Ian Hamilton Finlay and Richard Long.

Can I just say: I don't know anything about [b]Art[/b], but I know what I like :o) ?

is that the final scene from the matrix?

Is that the final scene from the matrix ? 😕

How the ****, did these supermarket-shoppers who know nothing about art get on this thread, ffs ?

Not into art, but could see where she was coming from with that bed thing she did a while back
Empty drink bottles,used condoms,fag butts,load of stains,just a right boozed up and shagged out mess.

Sort of thing that brings back happy memories of a bad/good time of life

the fact that you are talking about her on here means that her art work's.

She's in her mid forties and still acts like a stupid kid, she can't draw for toffee, and only got the limited fame she has by riding on the coat-tails of that pile of poo, Brit-Art, which in any sensible society, would have been dismissed as the Emperors new clothes a long, long time ago.

Not big, not clever (read her column in the Independent- puerile, I'm so fantastic and everything I do is the most amazing art in the world...) and draws pictures of women masturbating, because otherwise no-one would be interested.

Do I not like Tracey Emin........

the fact that you are talking about her on here means that her art work's.

Precisely sideshowdave. It's art.

It's about challenging preconceived ideas, notions, and feelings. It's about stimulating controversy. It's about rejecting the alleged 'norms' which society foists upon us and yet, and yet, it's also about embracing and celebrating, these 'norms'. And saying....... loudly, proudly, and clearly, "Oh look, I've sh1t the bed".

[i]That's[/i] what it's all about.

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Come to think of it ......there must be a lot of ****ing artists on STW.

[i]the fact that you are talking about her on here means that her art work's(sic)[/i]

We talk about all sorts of things. The best thread on here possibly ever was about a bloke taking a powerful laxative before he was supposed to.

If artists really see their function as encouraging other people to say "artists are such a bunch of juvenile try-hard pillocks" and wander off in amzement then that's fine of course, and I hope they get a kick out of leaving the vast majority of ordinary people so far behind that they no longer care. 🙂

First of all, Egon Schiele was brilliant as an artist. Total scumbag child molester, though. Tracey Emin isn't thought provoking. You can see the same stuff in any provincial gallery, but the fact that she's 'famous' raises expectations and then the paucity of the work is what creates the hysteria. If I saw it without knowing it was Emin I would probably give it no more than a cursory glance.

She's a publicist rather than an artist.

degenerate. Not interested

As someone with half an idea about art and graphic design (I studied the subject at art college) and being capable of producing the odd piece of artwork, I REALLY don't see what is so special about Tracey Emin.

Conceptual art is just weird. If you are one of the idle rich, I guess it's exciting stuff, but the artist has to have a pretty quirky personality to keep them entertained.

These "artists" have clearly mastered the art of bullshit! 😆

degenerate. Not interested

Emin, Schiele or me?

[i]I have a GCE in Computer Science - you don't catch me telling IT bods how to do their job, no siree. [/i]

Hats off to you sir. It's a pity the truckload of other people with a qualification in computer science can't follow your lead. My job would be a hundred times easier without 300 metric tons of complete BS being jammed into the IT industry on a daily basis.

My job would be a hundred times easier without 300 metric tons of complete BS being jammed into the IT industry on a daily basis.

said with feeling I think :o)

Emin is no more an 'artist', than Posh Spice is a 'singer'.

I don't pay much attention to Emin, as there are plenty of real artists out there, producing proper art. People who don't need to sleep with gallery owners, get their 'norks' out for cheap publicity, or try in vain to shock us with their 'controversial' work. They just quietly get on with producing art.

'Has an MA in Art from the RCA' - So ****ing what? I know people with similar; I've produced more creative works glossing a skirting board. And watching them dry would b infinitely more fascinating than some stupid [s]crack[/s] media-whore who can seldom keep it together enough to string a coherent sentence together. Artist? Fartist, more like. ****ing piss-artist.

'Oh look', said the little boy. 'The Emperor has no clothes on'...

So the stw intelligentsia decide that Schiele couldn't paint and Thomas Hardy couldn't write. What next? That Beethoven. Huh! Load of banging and crashing. Nothing for me to hum on the way to the pub.

I pretty much loath the "fine art industry". It is a bitchy, jealous, lifeless and sterile place to be and will cut it's own swollen red nose off to spite it's ugly drunken fat face.
I don't blame people like Emin, it is difficult to turn down money and fame, especially if that is your aim. When I was at Uni a large majority of students were there as they wanted to be famous. Not good artists just famous.
One good friend who did sell his soul and walk the walk is still producing the same boring work he did over 10 years ago. He even admits he is no different from a battery hen. He gets paid to squeeze out the paintings but they have to be the right size, shape and colour. He has to squeeze out so many the same it is draining his energy. He has got the point now where he is scared to do anything different.

I know other artists who have carved their own way and made a living financially but especially creatively. To me they are the successful ones, but are probably hardly known "within the industry".
Personally I chose a different path and have enjoyed a very happy relationship with art in a more simple, less ego but less money sort of way.

Good post, Roper. Do it for the sake of loving it, not to become something. Your sperience sounds very much like mine, at Uni. Too many people focussed on wanting to 'be somebody', than wanting to have a life where they could enjoy being themselves.

A mate of mine, his gelf did a fine art degree. She was crap, tbh. I saw very little that revealed her actual artistic talents. Her work was to gain a reaction, rather than stand out for it's own value.

She was getting rid of a load of paints and stuff, and a large canvas, so me mate decided t have some fun, and just chucked a load of paint onto the canvas. He bunged bits of rubbish like wrappers and travelcards onto it, and some glue stuff, all sorts. He had to rotate the canvas several times, as it was drying, to stop all the stuff running off onto the floor.

The result was a crazy abstract surreal nightmare world. Looked really good. It hung in their flat, until she got pissed off with guests admiring it, thinking it was hers, and ignoring her own stuff!

I nabbed it; is it art? I dunno. But it's got a darn sight more about it, than a ****ing unmade bed...