Let them get on with it.
Having an opinion doesn't stop anybody getting on with anything.
The police are doing their jobs. Let them get on with it.
But that's the poing, the police aren't doing their job here, they're doing the politician's job.
It was in very very poor taste but it seems to be growing legs and getting out of hand - it doesn't seem like the best use of time and resources given the number of other issues that London is facing. On the other hand given the media have whipped people up into a frenzy over it, its an easy win to investigate.
In which case prosecute the BBC who bought this to a massive audience.
Errrrrr! Ok.
In which case prosecute the BBC who bought this to a massive audience.
Errrrrr! Ok.
Makes as much sense as the current farce.
Makes as much sense as the current farce.
Yeah I'd agree.
Prosecute WhatsApp! And mobile phones! And cardboard! And Guy Fawkes. Yeah, him too.
Makes as much sense as the current farce.
Yeah I’d agree.
It does seem absurd. The people that did it are quite clearly absolute dicks and everyone understands that. It’s the whole “look at it, look at how offensive it is. Keep looking at it. Don’t look away, here it is again” approach of the media that grates.
It should have been removed from all social media and forgotten about. There are, in my humble opinion, much more important things for our already overworked police forces to deal with.
We agree that turning up in a KKK uniform and burning a cross outside someones house should be illegal, yes?
Well, this is a side effect of that.
More than that, it's a moderately entertaining one.
Well, this is a side effect of that.
Eh?
Eh?
This.
Well, this is a side effect of that.
Eh?
The Public Order Act which has been cited in this, would be used to prosecute people who decide it would be a good idea to go and burn crosses outside peoples houses. Would it not?
How is this any less offensive than someone swinging on the cenotaph, btw? The offender was prosecuted under the same act, yes?
Do we know if any of the people in the video are members of the Labour party?
prosecute people who decide it would be a good idea to go and burn crosses outside peoples houses.
What, like in Mississippi?
[i]Would it not?[/i] .. Probably.
[i], yes?[/i].. Maybe
Do we know if any of the people in the video are members of the Labour party?
Good point, I'm amazed the Express / Torygraph etc haven't suggested it was all Corbyn's fault...
Personally, I blame Thatcher.
What, like in Mississippi?
We're quite good at burning effigies in public, with the intention to cause distress and alarm as well. See the Orange Order.
The Public Order Act which has been cited in this, would be used to prosecute people who decide it would be a good idea to go and burn crosses outside peoples houses. Would it not?
NO! There would quite rightly be *far* more serious offences committed if you did that. Plus the action these morons took doesn't even break Section 4 of the Public Order Act which requires intent.
Plus the action these morons took doesn’t even break Section 4 of the Public Order Act which requires intent.
I guess that depends on the original intention of the leak from the WhatsApp group. I mean, it's not like said morons would have ever considered inviting the black people they know to the group for a bit of "bantz" - people are never that idiotic are they?
The police have to investigate that I guess.
I guess that depends on the original intention of the leak from the WhatsApp group.
I've had a quick look at Section 4 and I don't think so. The fact the police haven't charged them yet also makes me think you're wrong. If it was that simple they'd have been charged.
It would be similar to the frankly odd KKK anology had they rocked up in the garden of a family member of one of the victims. The Klan used to lynch people. Very different from a bunch of dickheads being, well, massive dickheads really.
I’ve had a quick look at Section 4 and I don’t think so. The fact the police haven’t charged them yet also makes me think you’re wrong. If it was that simple they’d have been charged.
It takes a while to get the WhatsApp data doesn't it? The Americans like to take their time.
Very different from a bunch of dickheads being, well, massive dickheads really.
My response to that, is dickheads being dickheads can contribute to the conditions and atmosphere that makes the threat of violence or the use of it, more acceptable.
See the recent anti-Semitic shooting in the US.
Anyway, I guess what I was trying to say is that you can't just pick and choose when to apply the law when given enough evidence to investigate. That's not rule by law is it?
I think our definitions of dickhead appear to be different. From what I’ve read the perpetrators of the incident this thread relates to were making a misguided attempt at being edgy or showing black humour. They missed the mark by a huge margin and were being insensitive, emotionally retarded and idiotic.
That is a far cry from shooting or being a member of the KKK. That’s so far past rule number one I don’t even know where it is.
Like it or not, if we live in a democracy we have to let people act like dicks and occasionally more or less everyone will be offended by something. To step away from that is the beginning of a very slippery slope.
"you can’t just pick and choose when to apply the law when given enough evidence to investigate"
Are you havin a giraffe? If the cops wanted to prosecute everyone for every time there was a law broken, half the country would be cops and half would be prison officers! Discretion and prioritisation happen every single minute of every officer's day!
This is a case where the police are arresting people for having shitty opinions and expressing them. That might be a social problem but it isn't one you can solve through the criminal justice system, especially when within a ten mile radius kids are being murdered, vulnerable people are being exploited and millions of pounds of money stolen from developing countries is being being laundered
I think our definitions of dickhead appear to be different. From what I’ve read the perpetrators of the incident this thread relates to were making a misguided attempt at being edgy or showing black humour. They missed the mark by a huge margin and were being insensitive, emotionally retarded and idiotic.
Considering that the person who reported it to the MET was black, are we sure that the video wasn't used with the intention to cause distress?
That might be a social problem but it isn’t one you can solve through the criminal justice system, especially when within a ten mile radius kids are being murdered, vulnerable people are being exploited and millions of pounds of money stolen from developing countries is being being laundered
And you think the MET are so incompetent they don't know how to triage these cases and don't have a valid reason for investigating? Hell, trying to make the BAME community in London community feel more supported by the MET might get them more leads in other cases.
But I'll trot this one out the next time one of your bikes gets nicked then.
The issue isn't the law, it's the funding of the police.
Considering that the person who reported it to the MET was black, are we sure that the video wasn’t used with the intention to cause distress?
My post was more pointing out that you were comparing the actions of an organisation with a documented history of intimidation and murder with some dickheads making a crass and insensitive effigy.
I don’t believe it was or that it was ever meant to have such a wide reaching audience. Would your opinion be different if somebody who wasn’t black had reported it? Does the skin colour or ethnicity of somebody reporting something automatically make it a race issue? Do you not see that the whole thing has been blown massively out of proportion and fuelled by the media?
Would your opinion be different if somebody who wasn’t black had reported it?
Well, that depends on whether the video or sharing of the video was intended to cause distress and alarm, doesn't it? I'm fairly sure, that's currently what the police are trying to work out.
So it wouldn’t be causing alarm if reported by a white person. Is that what you are stating as that just seema bizarre. Apologies if I’ve read that wrong.
Do you believe that the police would be investigating this at all if it hadn’t been for the ludicrous amount of coverage it has received? I honestly don’t think they would and it would have been forgotten by now. We’re clearly never going to agree so it’s best that I leave this now. Have a nice evening.
So it wouldn’t be causing alarm if reported by a white person
What it indicates is that this isn't just a joke made in bad taste that was shared amongst friends. Like some of you are saying. There is more to the story that we appear not to be privvy to.
Nope, just indicates that somebody (who happens to be black) found it offensive and the police are being forced to waste precious resources investigating it because the media got a hold and ran with it as far as I can tell.
Just broken my promise to walk away haven’t I 🤣
Happy to be wrong though.
And how do you know that?
Is it perhaps because you are a bit biased and think uppity black people should know their place? Or are you currently in possession of more facts than the MET?
What it indicates is that this isn’t just a joke made in bad taste that was shared amongst friends. Like some of you are saying. There is more to the story that we appear not to be privvy to.
This is a huge assumptions !!! What info do you have to support it ? The fact that it was reported by someone who's black ????
Because the reporter is clearly or very likely, not in their social circle. Especially in light of the reports from neighbours suggesting that they are in fact EDL voting muppets.
I could be wrong though, again - the MET will know. Not me. The same goes for the rest of the inverse-outraged on here.
And how do you know that?
Is it perhaps because you are a bit biased and think uppity black people should know their place? Or are you currently in possession of more facts than the MET?
Bravo! I’ve tried to remain civil and you accuse me of being racist. Says a lot more about you than it does me to be honest. Are you in possession of more facts than the MET?
I wonder what Raybanwomble's previous/other log in was?
He's quite the troll. 🙂
Bravo! I’ve tried to remain civil and you accuse me of being racist. Says a lot more about you than it does me to be honest. Are you in possession of more facts than the MET?
Well, I do find it enlightening that we are all outraged about the fact that the police are investigating this and not the fact that some people took joy in mocking the deaths of others.
But keep up your faux outrage, you'd only be genuinely outraged if you were in fact, in possession of the full facts of the case. Also, I never implied you were racist - but biased - big difference. Is it possible that you are easily offended?
I wonder what Raybanwomble’s previous/other log in was?
Tom_W1987
Considering that the person who reported it to the MET was black, are we sure that the video wasn’t used with the intention to cause distress?
In which case the facts would be completely different to those reported, and STILL the law broken would be completely different to the law broken if you put a burning cross on someone's lawn.
The point where you start arguing that if only the facts were different you'd be right is probably the point where you need to admit to yourself that you're wrong.
In which case the facts would be completely different to those reported,
Are these the facts you read in the metro?
Biased against people of colour would be racist ya big fool! Maybe that could be a defence for these idiots if it goes that far. Me, racist, nope I just have a bias against black folk.
Please keep posting this is getting good.
Biased against people of colour would be racist ya big fool! Maybe that could be a defence for these idiots if it goes that far. Me, racist, nope I just have a bias against black folk.
Please keep posting this is getting good.
https://bigthink.com/21st-century-spirituality/implicit-bias-is-not-racism
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-think-about-implicit-bias/
That’s a lovely link to one very short article there. Just to set the record straight I’m not racist, biased or easily offended. I just find it patently absurd that this is nigh on getting more publicity and outrage than the actual fire that killed people. Chances are these ****ing idiots will receive harsher punishments than those responsible for the deaths.
damnit - two links.
Just a bunch of no hope clowns done in private then leaked. The people who need more attention brought to them are the pure and utter scum that claimed they lived their to claim thousands of pounds. One got prosecuted last week who had received over £100k and maybe look at how easy they can get that sort of money, takes me four years to earn that.
Tom_W1987
I thought he had to be a STW die-hard!
Now that is worth being offended by.
Just a bunch of no hope clowns done in private then leaked. The people who need more attention brought to them are the pure and utter scum that claimed they lived their to claim thousands of pounds. One got prosecuted last week who had received over £100k and maybe look at how easy they can get that sort of money, takes me four years to earn that.
So you care more about some benefit cheats, and how you have been cheated than the victims and how the community that was affected by the fire feels about this video?
