[Closed] have the tories gone too far?

They went too far the day they formed a political party....

[i]i think this goverment should have been gassed at birth[/i]

has foxyboy gone too far?

Tories are doing a very good job of devolving 'responsibility' for the cuts to LA's rather than central government making the cuts and being blamed.

It's not about the small people... it's about The Big Society!
Get with the program, or it's failure is Your fault!
HTH

Leftie trouble-maker.

Gawd bless the Tories......as they once again put the "Great" back into Britain.

Like what Maggie done.

Tories in 'Not Being Very Nice People' Shocka

They're just doing what comes naturally too them. Its instinctive. And Tory voters know exactly what they're voting for

The Lib Dems on the other hand.....

You want to hate someone? Hate them! Those bastards really deserve your venom

This thread isn't going to be at all predictable is it?

Too far? I don't really know, as I don't really know the detail of every cut out there. Not sure that anyone outside the Treasury does.

I do know we can't afford to keep spunking cash away like it's going out of style.

wot binners said - I've told that Nick Clegg that I'm going back to Labour. He was gutted.

About 12 months ago there were a lot of people posting on here saying that the public sector needed to also feel the pain that the private sector was. I would imagine that they'll soon posting on here to celebrate that now happening.
The Bullingdon boys have managed very well to put all of the blame of all of this on labour councils.

No, the previous one however went way to far.

i want to see photos of deadlydarcy in skinny jeans

EDIT - it could be a kids face next time!

*shines TJ torch into sky*

It's true Binners. At least we know the Tories are self-serbving greedy selfish scum. The Limp Dems were meant to be reasonably nice, weren't they?

Ooh it makes me angry. Can you physically abuse Hora for me please? I find that the knowledge that Hora is suffering helps me feel calmer.

Clegg is a snake.

there is a big difference between what someone says they are going to do and what actually happens.

ok, not always, but with alarming regularity

OP should stop reading the gutter press.

EDIT: Ok fair enough that's a bit too personal and I apologise. I stand by my overall sentiment though.

I'd respect the Tories more if they actually came forward and said 'No, we don't actually give a toss about anyone but ourselves'. They're too gutless and cowardly to even do that.

OP should stop reading the gutter press.

What's that .........the "left-wing" gutter press ?

No Worries Fred. I'll give him a right shoe-ing when i see him!

If anyone is in any doubt as to what the Tories always had planned, read this:

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And be very very afraid. They're following the Milton Friedman Chicago School economic model to the absolute letter. At the very time when it is most discredited. Utter insanity!!!

And believe me, you've seen nowt yet. They're only just warming up

Rearrange the following to find my answer to your post:
Weasels, all, are, cock, tories, clegg, a, felcher, is, well, as. HTH 😀

aP - Member
About 12 months ago there were a lot of people posting on here saying that the public sector needed to also feel the pain that the private sector was. I would imagine that they'll soon posting on here to celebrate that now happening.
The Bullingdon boys have managed very well to put all of the blame of all of this on labour councils.

The same private sector which, on average, saw pay rises of 2.8% last year. Can i have some of that pain?

Elfin...what the devil is up with you at the moment?! i'm tempted to call up london and tell them to keep an eye out for a shorter person trying to start fights with everyone 😛

The Lib Dems on the other hand.....

What about them ? ........at least you know that they won't break their promises.

[b]Liberal Democrats: Say goodbye to broken promises [/b]

Nowt wrong with me son. Just saying it as I see it.

Why, you got a problem with that????

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that's it, i've called up london and they've agreed to leave out a trail of cigarettes and architecture magazines leading you into a safe-house for a couple of weeks whilst they try and work out who snipped your fuse 😉

we cant really blame them for the long term historical decline of England as a world power...Look at recent events in a more long term historical perspective and it seems recent events are simply part of the continuing decline that stared after WWI, and the loss of Empire.

massive spending cuts

Government spending has gone UP!

do you not get it?

we are spending more than we are taking in tax

if we borrow money to make up the difference, we have to pay interest on it - we are borrowing even more money to pay interest on the loans.

Do you understand?

This is the mess that labour left - [b]there is no money[/b] the cupboard is bare!

Either, we pay more tax, or we spend less - its one or the other!

CaptJon - Member
The same private sector which, on average, saw pay rises of 2.8% last year. Can i have some of that pain?

From the ONS, dated 8th December 2010...
[url= http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285 ]

The difference between the median level of full-time earnings in the public sector (£554 per week) and the private sector (£473 per week) widened over the year to April 2010, following annual increases of 3.0 per cent and 2.0 per cent respectively.

So jenbe, from your argument, my logic then deduces that it was all the fault of the GERMANS!!! I bloody knew it!!!! 😀

"we cant really blame them for the long term historical decline of England as a world power"
But I can certainly blame them for the fact that I've been made redundant both times they've been in power. El bastardos...

Is as Well, all tories' cock weasels are a clegg felcher??

Eh?

TBH I could do with a nice rest. Had a very stressful week.

I might go to Bradford actually, for a little holiday break.

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Is one most beautiful place in World. Much more nice than Leeds.

Bmitch, why don't you go into the highly paid and valued world of psychometric testing? i'll join you and we can make people become better people, together, forever x

Well done yeti, well done. All back to mine for tea and eggy bread!

druidh, i didn't say anything about median wage levels.

What boils my piss is that I very much doubt if there is a single adult in the country who isn't aware of the need to tighten the belt a notch or seven. Handled well, this lot could have written themselves a ticket for at least another two elections. However, what they've actually done is carry on with the same old same old and stuck the **** into the little guy and those least able to protect themselves, while letting the corporate bottom feeders right off the hook YET A-****ing-GAIN!

I eggy bread liker.

They have come up with a plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel.

have the tories gone too far?

Not nearly far enough.

So jenbe, from your argument, my logic then deduces that it was all the fault of the GERMANS!!! I bloody knew it!!!!

Berm Bandit, true but "people" generally accept that things need to be cut but only things they don't need.

Any cuts will go down badly. I personally think they need to be made but I do think it is a great time to be in opposition.

Berm Bandit. Are you suggesting that we're not all in this together, after all?

That's a very cynical approach to take

Hey up elf, I was in Bradford last week. Spent a couple of hours at Salt's Mill trying to decide whether David Hockney's brilliant or a bit of a con artist, then went to Omars and attempted the notorious naan challenge - failed (again).

I'm pretty pleased with what the SNP are doing during their time in government. If only they could get voted in as the UK government too, or independence for that matter.

erm.... Can we hear more about the the notorious naan challenge please Mitch? That sounds interesting

Oh... and on your first point, Hockney is a genius. Just thought I'd clear that up 😀

What do we want? Independence for the South East of England!!!

When do we want it? NOW!!!

Was just going to say get thee to Saltaire and look at some Hockneys, plus big bike shop on the ground floor...

Anyway, if it's all about money and not simply ideology, why this:

[b]Controversial tax boss Dave Hartnett agreed a deal to let Vodafone off a £6bn tax bill, it emerged yesterday.[/b]

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=514832&in_page_id=2

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The Independent State Yeti.

Berm Bandit. Are you suggesting that we're not all in this together, after all?

Not at all.... We're all in it together, its them other bastards that aren't!

Yeah, what is this 'Naan challenge' of which you speak??

I really enjoyed the Nat Media Museum last time I went.

And I [i]loved[/i] Saltaire. Pippa what I'm not allowed to be near*, she lives in a lovely cottage there.

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*It's for her own safety. Or so I'm told. I fail to see what harm could befall her were I to be allowed near her though. I think it's a very unfair policy tbh.

Britain gained its wealth from stealing it from other country's when we had an empire, maybe we could go back to that, it worked 🙂

Right binners / elf - Omars is a tip top indian restaurant (just round the corner from the Alhambra). They do 3 sizes of naan, regular, large, and family. The family one costs a fiver, and is about 4 feet across (seriously). If you order one, and eat it with a curry (with no help), you get your meal free, and (I think) free meals for a year. As far as I'm aware, its bloody impossible. How does an STW curry night out in Bradford sound?

Just nipping out to tescos - will attempt to drum up interest in a curry frenzy when I get back.

Can the Mrs do us all matching 'curry challange' eating-suits Mitch?

How does an STW curry night out in Bradford sound?

Bloody Brilliant!!! When?!

You can do the return leg and join us for the South Manchester Kebab Night Rides. Prey silence for the King Sized Mixed Kebab from the Turkish Delight

Either, we pay more tax, or we spend less - its one or the other!

Rubbish.

For a start, you could stop all those super-rich who think paying taxes is just for "little people" getting away with tax avoidance.

Secondly, you could nationalise the utilities.......why should my electricity company, which is owned by the French government, use their profit to pay for government provisions in France and, help reduce taxation in that country ?

Thirdly, you could get 2 million people back to work, so that they are all paying taxes ........ instead of pushing unemployment up even higher.

Fourthly, you could force employers to pay a [u]living wage[/u] so that the government isn't forced to subsidise them through the benefits system.

And so I could go on.......there are plenty of ways of reducing the deficit. Unfortunately none, other than the cuts, fit in with Tory ideology.

Yes Z-11, as you quite rightly say : [b]"Government spending has gone UP!"[/b] Which simply proves that the Tory solution is bollox.

The cuts have nothing at all to do with the deficit - Cameron has freely admitted that they will remain even after/if the deficit is cleared.....just like the hike in VAT btw.

have the tories gone too far?

Not nearly far enough.

Ooh that sounds like an excellent plan. I'll let you know when I'm going to be up there next, and hopefully we can have a meet-up. That'll be nice actually. Troutie is from just north of Bradford, and you've got JohnDrummer and a few others up that way too. Binners, you could drag Hora up from Uddersfield too, couldn't you? Would be nice to have something to abuse while we enjoy our meal.

Did you know that a great place in Granada, Spain, was inspired by and named after the World Famous Bradford Alhambra? Truly it is a city of great culture and history.

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Will Theresa May be taking a pay cut as, you know, we're all in this together?

well first round of redundancies announced this week at my institute, fortunately it seems my team leader has found us somewhere else to go as we were affected

these are pre-emptive based on the best case scenario of the cuts to be announced in april, it seems likely more will go,
our ceo recently warned that beyond a certain percentage of staff loss we would cease to function as an institution - one that was recently rated the highest in the field of cancer research in the country

this is being repeated in science institutes and universities up and down the country, the governments assertion that only a handfull of universities would charge the top whack of 9grand a year has been shown to be bollox, every single one is considering it to make up for the cumulative effect of cuts to direct/indirect educational funding, research grants, caps on foreign workers/students

if the tories go much further and cut more science funding then we can just do away with innovation and research in this country and all become call centre operators or maybe minicab drivers

edit and as for privatising forensics science
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The loss of manufacturing is also largely to blame for our current state we are in. God i cant wait to get out of this country!

Not nearly far enough.

No we can still see them. They need to back up a bit more!

I work as a visiting support worker for people with disabilities and learning disabilities and no matter what the government are saying, the most vulnerable people in society ARE being affected BADLY! Day centres, collage courses and other support services are being cut left right and centre and it's happening NOW
This lot are lying scum 😈 we are doomed!
I see riots in the streets within twelve months

Mr Woppit - Member

Will Theresa May be taking a pay cut as, you know, we're all in this together?

Yes she will Woppit.........all cabinet ministers will be taking a 5% pay cut.

Of course Theresa May has an estimated personal fortune of £1.6 million, so whilst it will undoubtedly be a struggle for her to survive on the almost £3,000 a week she gets as a cabinet minister, I'm sure she'll manage somehow.

And rest assured, all the other cabinet ministers have personal fortunes they can rely on, most probably considerably more than Theresa May, so you don't need to loose any sleep worrying about them.....they'll be just fine.

I see riots in the streets within twelve months

You won't have to wait that long, once the clocks go back and it warms up a bit it will all kick off.

i thought the evil tories(tm) were planning to cut that bank holiday too!
after all it is a day assosciated with the working classes

Why don't all politicians who have other earnings waive their salaries? I mean, Cameron doesn't really need his, as he has pots of money already, and a free house which we're paying for...

If every MP did this, the country would save around forty million pounds a year. A drop in the ocean, sure, but it would at least be something.

In fact, why not just scrap their salaries altogether? Most of 'em have other incomes anyway, and representing the People shouldn't be about the money, surely?

i did notice that cameron say he had a dreadful experience filling out disabilty living allowance form for his sons medical expenses or soemthing similar
did find it a bit surprising that he needed the financial support from the taxpayer

would very much be willing to drive for 5 hours for a naan challenge. this appeals to everything sensible inside me.

You won't have to wait that long, once the clocks go back and it warms up a bit it will all kick off.

I've noticed that.........things always kick off in warm climates - think Greece, Spain, Egypt, etc. And yet nothing happens in countries such as Iceland and Ireland.... despite the equally dire situation.

Bring on the Sun I reckon.......and the revolution.

In fact, why not just scrap their salaries altogether? Most of 'em have other incomes anyway, and representing the People shouldn't be about the money, surely?

So you think only "gentlemen of some means" should become MPs ?

Well that will certainly exclude the lower-classes, riff-raff, etc.

Suggest your idea to the Bullingdon Boys 💡

I'm well up for a curry night in Barnsley. Dads in horbury. Think I stand a pretty good chance of completing this challenge. I know another guy who lives there too, think he would have a good shot at it too!

i did notice that cameron say he had a dreadful experience filling out disabilty living allowance form for his sons medical expenses or soemthing similar
did find it a bit surprising that he needed the financial support from the taxpayer

The problems he had are down to him being a bit stooopid, when does the ripple of evidence become a tsunami... when it's too late?
He should be able to claim them though... 'universal benefits for all' and all that...

No no no, not Barnsley; Bradford! Is more better.

My mate Andy could possibly complete the Naan Challenge. He's a proper greedy bastid. If he comes round, you have to padlock your cupboards and fridge. I once caught him making an omelette.

I really cannot believe that this will improve snything. I fail to see the white ni ght of capitalism surging into the void to rescue us all from recession and employ all the redundnant public sector workers. We now wait 4 years to see whether georgge is a genius or a fool.
the argument that we have no choice is nonesense beyond balancing the books in the long run we could do many thinks as ernie notes. Plenty of other ways beyond sacking poor people who deliver services to support even poorer people
What about a 9k tax on private schools rather than university fees for example.
+1 for curry
-1 for meat based Kebab idea

saying that the public sector needed to also feel the pain that the private sector was

Holds hand up. But not just to be punitive. Cuts need to be carefully thought through to maintain the services the people and economy need. The cuts being imposed at the moment seem to be politically driven (in a bad way), ridiculously rushed and unlikely to benefit either the population or the economy. I really think the public sector should be smaller but I'm really not sure arbitarily making people redundant at this time is a particularly clever move.

I've always considered myself to be conservative with a small c (the politcal compass websiter not withstanding which had me in the same political grouping as Ghandi which was a bit of a shock) but I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that peoplke like Ernie may actually be right, the right wing politicos really are self serving greedy gits only looking after the interests of a tiny minority of seriously rich people. They sure as hell no longer represent people like me and I ought to be a core voter for them. If they're not that corrupt then they're amazingly incompetant which may be just as bad.

What ever your politcal position I don't think many people will think the countrie's in a good place at the moment, double dip here we come.

In fact, why not just scrap their salaries altogether?

May I respectfully suggest that you read up on the Chartist Movement and their demands for political reform in the Nineteenth Centuary. This should convince you that to not pay MP is a really, really bad idea.

I'm forty five now and seen a good few crappy governments come and go, seen house values, jobs, wages go up and down with each one and seen good time and bad times
I've never seen such blatant lying scum as this lot, Blair and Gordon came close, Maggie had a good go, this lot have no qualms about sending us to hell in a bucket, a cheap plastic one, made in china, red probably.......cos it's fastest... 😥

Not nearly far enough.

I agree. A bit of shock therapy is required for the middle classes and then they will perhaps see the consequences of the political/economic policies of the last thirty years and who was driving these changes.

Woppit, perhaps you have a slightly bigger brain after all. 😉

Thirdly, you could get 2 million people back to work, so that they are all paying taxes ........ instead of pushing unemployment up even higher.

Fourthly, you could force employers to pay a living wage so that the government isn't forced to subsidise them through the benefits system.

How are you going to do the first one with a expandeible workforce due to EU membership who will be attracted by your second idea?

Today I taught my upper 6th Biology class who are all looking forward to going to University next year and then straight after had my lower sixth class, many of which are not going to go to university..... and those who do will be 27 grand more in debt than those a year older than them. That is an idealogical shift and nothing to do with the defecit as it wont be reversed, it is, I think, very sad. Some cuts maybe needed, but taxation hasnt been altered much apart from increasing VAT which hits those on low wages more, I struggle to understand why anyone could think these measures are right.

I was also watching that witch announce the police pay cuts last night and describe how the police needed to have cuts to be the same as the rest of the public sector, except the cuts werent cuts at all it was a pay freeze which whilst not nice is very different from a cut. The news prog. failed to pick her up on this.