[Closed] Have we REALLY been to the moon?

+1. Girlfriend is an idiot.

Not cool calling some guys gf an idiot !

and there are those on the forum who apparently have a better understanding of the way light refracts than the man responsible for designing and building cameras to take into space

Well no, we are suggesting that perhaps there is something he hadn't thought of or was not aware of.

I'd be asking myself why viewfinder crosshairs were present on the negative in the first place? Surely they're not etched onto the lens?

Anyway, quibbling over the appearance of a few fine lines is one thing. Explaining away the laser reflector that we can bounce lasers off is much more difficult, isn't it? I notice the conspiracy theorists don't rush to discuss that one.

howcome no pictures of the astronauts meeting the Clangers

Not seen that Buzz punch clip before. Usually I'd say that sort of thing is needless thuggery that proves nothing. In this case it was exactly what the situation required. Good job Buzz. Adding you to my list of heroes - You are next to Prof. Dawkins, whose Excellent "Blind Watchmaker" book I'm currently reading.

I don't see why it's so inconceivable that we went there (using the football "we" there) The critical factor was having enough political and public desire to spend the money and have a go at it and that was certainly in evidence. The real miracle is that those guys managed it with the technology of the time. I don't know the stats but I would guess a 2011 phone has more number crunching power than the whole of mission control in the late 60's.

If we have been, why have we never returned and set up camp (ie 007 Moonraker stylie?!)....

Make sure that you take her to the cinema to watch appollo 18..

As for the conspiracy theories.. is there a polite word for that resolute and starchy group of people who will fiercely only believe the official line and evidence..?

mushrooms perhaps..

There's no doubt something went to the moon , whether man went with it is the question. A transatlantic flight exposes you to enough radiation to take 5 minutes off your life.
There's some serious radiation on the moon and they managed to get crystal clear pictures with no fogging.
Not to mention the amount of radiation the astronauts were subjected to. I would have expected a high cancer incidence of the returnees.
If these thin suits are so good at radiation protection why weren't they issued to the emergency services at Chernobyl?
Admittedly this is stuff I have only read about I welcome a counter position.

Slighty OT for those interested in the moonlandings, there is a really good book 'moondust' by Andrew Smith, he interviews astronaughts connected with the Apollo program and it's got quite a nice nostalgic feel of watching the landing live and growing up around that time. I highly reccomend it as a good read (nowt to do with fakes/hoax/conspiracy though it's for people beyond that)

@ zk (and other doubters) - the answers are on badastronomy.com for those who want to look.

This includes the grid marks.

[url= http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html ]LRO images of apollo landing sites.[/url]
Of course some people won't be happy until they go there and trip over a discarded LEM themselves

If these thin suits are so good at radiation protection why weren't they issued to the emergency services at Chernobyl?

Just remember that over 400,000 US people worked on the Apollo/Gemini programme for over 10 years to get man to the moon.

There had been a lot of research and testing before anyone got near to walking on it, before Apollo 11 there was Apollo 8 and 10 that went to the moon but didn't land, with many more tests in Earth's orbit to make sure things worked, as well as the Mercury programme of actually getting people into space for the first time in the decade previously.

I know there are a lot of hobbyist photographers here on stw, but there were more important things than taking nice pictures of the moon for Nasa. 😆

I'm happy to beleive we've been abd played around on that lump of cream cheese.

I can remember as a kiddo watching the Apollo launches with my Dad. It was an amazing time in space history with huge imaginative thoughts and dreams, now..now its run by Accountants.

I would have to tick the box saying we have been.
The Russians would have been the first to make a stink about it.
BUT there is something a bit fishy going on.
Of course there is no chance that the US government are a bunch of lying scumbags.

That freak that Aldrin belts - he believes in god and satan, but not the moon landings. He is outraged that Buzz Aldrin may be making lots of money from something fake... that would be hilarious if it was so deluded (and American).

I would guess a 2011 phone has more number crunching power than the whole of mission control in the late 60's

Many orders of magnitude more. A ZX Spectrum had more power than the whole mission, IIRC.

All their computer had to do was calculate orbits, which isn't that hard 🙂

EDIT: Busted!

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I'm convinced. Serious looking photographs with intelligent white lines and good, clear annotation does it for me every time.

🙂

It's even got a scale. Sorted.

I'm a bit sad the Endeavour has been laid to rest with nothing coming up in the near future. Although on one hand I think there is a lot to discover here on Earth, the Moon and Stars can give us so much information as to the workings of our own Planet that it would be a waste of all that time and money to just shelve the project. I know we’re still sending stuff up there to find and explore, but is this stuff significant.. if not it seems a pretty much waste of space.

A ZX Spectrum [s]had more power than the whole mission, IIRC[/s] could have knocked up a more sophisticated piece of evidence than that daft photo..

FTFY

Not to mention the amount of radiation the astronauts were subjected to. I would have expected a high cancer incidence of the returnees.

The best evidence I've seen for was on the Horizon (?) show a few years back on this very subject and they talked to the uber geek in charge of tracking Apollo 11 at Jodrell Bank who followed the whole mission on his telescope. I just know he wasn't lying. Also the laser thingy.

I used to date an intelligent girl who believed that the moon landings were faked.

As it happens, my father worked in the aircraft industry during the learly 1960s and had a very tempting offer from Grumman at one point...

She had no answer when I asked if she really thought that Grumman paid thousands of engineers and designers to sit there and do nothing.

A transatlantic flight exposes you to enough radiation to take 5 minutes off your life.

Ehhhh? How does that work exactly?? Is our lifespan limited to a certain amount of radiation and once we reach it we die? 😕

Shouldn't someone tell the stewardesses?

Anyone else see a huge tap where the Lunar module is supposed to be on molgrips' photo?

And they say there's no water on the moon...

The best evidence for the moon landings is that they left a mirror on the moon in order to fire a laser at it and measure the time it takes for the light to return, hence measuring the distance and how fast the moon is moving away from the earth. If it didn't happen how come the laser comes back? That is the true beauty of science, if you don't believe something you can test it yourself, yes it may be costly, but still you can test it yourself and discover the truth.

i've been told not to shine my lazerpen at the moon anymore to try and prove the moon exists. **** convenient excuse that the pilots dont like it if you ask me.

prove the moon exists and them maybe i'll believe you.

Ha ha at Phil 🙂 very good

It was an amazing time in space history with huge imaginative thoughts and dreams, now..now its run by Accountants

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A ZX Spectrum had more power than the whole mission, IIRC could have knocked up a more sophisticated piece of evidence than that daft photo..
FTFY

I'd be surprised if a zx spectrum could even display that image.

sorry but this is just as compelling

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Which one's Buzz? The Blue one or the Yellow one?

btw I agree the photo is daft, just pointing out technicalities! 😀

Have we really been to the moon

YES!

Despite our many failings human beings really are capable of quite amazing things, putting men on the moon is just one of them.

It was a quite staggering achievement given the technology of the time.

How about some simple optimism on the forum for a change?

They (we) stopped going back because of what they (we) found there.

There have been several well known feature length documentaries on this including 'First Men In The Moon' and 'Apollo 18', which I believe one can see in one's local cinematography emporium currently

Regarding the radiation,the 5 minute thing was a sign that was up on the wall when I went for an xray. An xray only takes 1 minute off your life. Not sure if there is higher cancer among pilots , just letting you know what the sign said.
The space station is in a low orbit inside the van Allen belt ( I think!) which shields a lot of radiation.
Don't forget I am pro moon landing.

I think its a damn site easier to go to the moon than it is to keep the mouths shut of all those NASA employees that would be involved in faking it!

I don't think it's stupid to be sceptical of something claimed to have been done in a time of far lower technology which is not being done in a time of superior technology.
Personally, I'm not even convinced of my own physical existence let alone any of you delusions. However; things, largely, behave consistantly when I think I am awake. So this is the best I have to go on.
proof for getting to the moon surely must be based on the extensive varity of cheeses available. That cheese has been available for some number of years is also proof that if this is reality, then aliens have visited (via the moon)

Just as a slight aside, have a ponder on the comments about modern computing power versus the 60's and 70's.

Voyager 2, currently the fastest machine man has ever built, apparently has [url= http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/faq.html ]68Kb of storage[/url].

Key considerations are reliability, efficient code, power consumption and obviously strong enough kit to survive the rigours of space travel.

I cba to work out how much power a contemporary PC draws but it's probably safe to say you wouldn't want to design a battery/power system that would run one for 30 years! Plus how long do you think a modern PC would work if you strapped all the individual component parts to a car and drove it in all weathers? - 10 minutes?

Yes computing tech has come on hugely but a lot of (software) products are very bloated. - I'm fairly sure Microsoft don't provide flight control software to the space agencies!!

Ah but, microprocessor computing has come on a long way too. Clever tricks like sleep modes and dynamic clock speeds as well as huge improvements in chip manufacturing mean we can build much more energy efficient embedded systems these days.

Thats all well and good but it still seems to me that anyone who thinks man didn't land on the moon is a bit of a flyd.

I wonder if in the 1800s the eminent members of a Gentleman's Velocipede Club were discussing the whether the Montgolfier brothers really had managed the frankly improbable feat of floating through the air suspended beneath a balloon, or if the whole thing was simply a hoax perpetrated by the French government?

don't think it's stupid to be sceptical of something claimed to have been done in a time of far lower technology which is not being done in a time of superior technology.

Concorde was faked as well, well there is no supersonic passenger travel now in the 21st Century 🙄

Personally, I'm not even convinced of my own physical existence

seems to me that anyone who thinks man didn't land on the moon is a bit of a flyd.

I'd say that's about right, yes......