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When i arrived here I had a temp job whilst waiting to get a decent visa. I met a guy who was about to take 6 months off to 'do a lap.' I then learnt what long service leave was! 10 years of work and you get a 6 month holiday on full pay. Mind blown #1.
I started my first proper job and saw this line in the contract saying '17.5% leave loading' Figured it must be a good thing. Found out that I get paid 17.5% extra when on leave to make sure my holiday is good. Mind blown #2.
At my first job here my boss only hung around for a couple of weeks before going off 'sick' for 'a very long time' returning only once all their years of accrued sick leave was finished. Then resigning with a final working date after they'd use up all their annual leave and long service leave. Mind blown #3
Started work in a hospital and finally found out what the term RDO meant! A day off per month 'just because.' Then i discovered that working in a Queensland hospital entitles me to a very healthy additional tax exemption. Mind blown #4
Yeah - my wife works at a University and the RDO system is a total pisstake. Eveyone pretends that they take a 15 minute shorter lunchbreak a day..... which adds up to almost 2 weeks of extra holiday per year.
My company have been not great to work for, their health and safety attitude is pretty poor, and management expect a lot from their staff but give very little both in trainings and support.
You work for G4S?
Let us know how you get on.
Yet most companies would boot you out of the door if deemed necessary without a second thought.
Pretty much the exact line I used in my most recent 1-2-1, except I was referring to my Manager who's only been here a few months:
"John, don't kid yourself mate, the minute they decide your position isn't required you'll be out of the door"
Based on the dozen or so reorgs in the +4 years I've been here.
For the OP, I've resigned lots and been laid off lots, do what you think is best for you.
I remember penning one in my head after my weekend leave had been cancelled to cover for someone else for the sixth consecutive week:
Dear Chief Constable.
Stick your ridiculously undervalued and underpaid job up your fat sweaty arse.
Rude letter to follow.
Love
Scapegoat
Still kinda regret not sending it......!
I left a job of 17 years back in November for a much smaller firm, same sector, same pay, less hours, more holiday. Gave them 3 months notice (which they squandered in finding a replacement) I did tell them I was doing something else as the company I work for is just down the road from them, although not particularly a competitor they don't see it that way. Not looked back and my old employer has been pretty vindictive about the whole thing, whcih I expected, whehter I told them where I was going or not. My notice letter was quite simple as above. Keep it short and polite. What you're doing is really none of their business and if they've no contigency in place to cover your absence on booked jobs then that's for them to deal with and worry about, not you.
Update
Called my manager yesterday morning. I was pretty nervous but had written a loose script to follow.
My manager was surprised to hear I was leaving and wanted to know where I was going and what the job was, I declined to say exactly where but said it's a similar role in a competitor company. Asked me what it would take for me to consider to stay. I explained my rationale for leaving but didn't in anyway portion any blame on my current role, just saying that I needed to further my career and take on new opportunities.
My manager was surprised and said that they thought I wasn't interested in moving up the ladder and that's why they hadn't pushed me. Not true, they've loosely offered management roles to almost anyone that's joins but never actually promote anyone.
Anyway, my manager advised me that the directors would want to meet with me and likely ask what I am being offered and will match it. I said I'm not leaving to hold the company to ransom and would expect that I would be being paid what they think I'm worth already and if they want to make a counter offer it should be based on my worth and not what another company has offered me.
Haven't heard back about this meeting yet.
I feel more relaxed now and accept that I am going to be leaving in just under two months to hopefully a better job!
IME companies dont just chuck extra money at a person unless they ask for it! id whack another 10% on top of the new figures & see if they still match it? if they do happy days, if not - off to pastures new. win win.
I said I’m not leaving to hold the company to ransom and would expect that I would be being paid what they think I’m worth already and if they want to make a counter offer it should be based on my worth and not what another company has offered me.
That's a wonderful way of phrasing it! Good luck in your new role!
I remember resigning from one job, three months notice, then finding out from my pay packet that the paltry pay rise had been deducted from my pay and that of another colleague who was leaving despite this being for about 6 months accrued pay. Unfortunately, I happened to be the financial controller and checked payroll, and found other leavers hadn't been deducted, only two of us who worked for one particular boss.
I got on with said boss, but told him that it was a dirty move, against HR policy (and most likely employment law), and if he expected me to continue to work hard and ensure there was a good hand over during the remaining two months, he was mistaken. He reversed the decision promptly.
IME companies dont just chuck extra money at a person unless they ask for it! id whack another 10% on top of the new figures & see if they still match it? if they do happy days, if not – off to pastures new. win win.
Nah, leave no matter what. OP handled it perfectly imo. Don't burn bridges by flat out refusing to consider any counter offer, and leave it vague enough that you can politely decline.
I agree with those who say let the boss know in person, this can be done by phone not necessarily face to face.That is what I did. Know what you want to say before you make the call and stick to that. I think it is best to have the formal letter written beforehand. I quit because the situation had become intolerable, I was made an offer to stay refused it and walked out with a months pay and no job to go to. Times were hard for my family for a while but I looking back I know I did the right thing.
Well done OP. If/when they counter offer do not forget that you have chosen to leave for a reason. If you accept any counter offer those reasons won't go away.
Anyway, my manager advised me that the directors would want to meet with me and likely ask what I am being offered and will match it
Not beat it, then?
I said I’m not leaving to hold the company to ransom and would expect that I would be being paid what they think I’m worth already and if they want to make a counter offer it should be based on my worth and not what another company has offered me.
Well played.
The tacit implication here is that they know they're underpaying you.
10%?
id whack another 10% on top of the new figures & see if they still match it?
Go big or go home. Take the new figure and double it.
@peter 1979
'I said I’m not leaving to hold the company to ransom and would expect that I would be being paid what they think I’m worth already and if they want to make a counter offer it should be based on my worth and not what another company has offered me'.
Now that is a professional response.
I don't get why employers think that matching offers would be good enough anyway. I mean, if you want to really want to keep an employee, you have to make them a *better* offer, surely?
I would like to think I would have responded to the manager, in the same way as the OP, but in reality I would have thought of them about 10 minutes afterwards, having mumbled something inconsequential. Very well played 👏
I'd employ @peter1979 on the basis of that response to his current lot 🙂
Haha, thanks @molgrips, however I haven't actually sat face to face with the Directors yet and may end up crumbling under the pressure and accepting a pay cut and taking a thrashing.
Nice action Peter 🙂