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There's nothing to suggest that her parents wouldn't have acted on the same poor information which was around at the time. I'd go as far as to say that even now, a lot of people don't know that you can kill yourself by drinking too much water.
TJ, you're moving the goalposts rather a lot. You said that "prohibition does not reduce consumption.". Prove it.
Bizzarre, innit.
Professor Nutt's proposed reclassification based on hard fact and evidence would have set MDMA as one of the safest, with alcohol and Tobacco waaaaay down......
Exactly TSY - and when she panicked she would have been able to get decent advice.
She panicked, thought that drinking lots of water would bring her down and thus drank soi much water she died from it.
Sorry Tron I should have put one of these in my last post 😆
A bit of recreational drug taking is all good imo. I spent the first six years of my adult life high as a kite on one thing or another. Now it's different, theres a time and a place for such things and such things are very few and far between these days. The vast majority of my old drug taking friends are still at it now on a daily basis.
Old Ricky boy obviously likes the odd line and was very foolish to be caught on camera. I wonder how many folks in the news of the world office partake in "pick me up" when they are out.? I always feel theres an element of hypocrisy about these stories.
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Are some of those defending drugs use on this thread the very same people who shout "BUT IT'S BREAKING THE LAW" every time someone on here confesses to having done 75 mph once?
No, I drive like a maniac too. Espescially when I'm ripped off my tits 8)
Tron - unprovable - but its my belief. Decriminalisation of cannabis in the Netherlands has led to as decline in the use of cannabis and a huge decline in the use of heroin allied to seeing drug use as a public health issue not a criminal one.
Its really far to complex to go into in a forum such as this due tot eh differing drugs and their actions but one of the effects of prohibition is to deter people from getting treatment for drug problems.
You guys can kid yourselves all you want. Taking drugs is neither big or clever.
This is true. I've taken drugs, and I'm small and stupid. 😳
Oh right. It's an article of faith.
I suspect that the fact that PPP GDP per Capita in the Netherlands is rather higher than here, and that their society is flatter than ours would have a massive impact on the use of hard drugs.
As for seeing drug use as health issue, we do. WTF do you think the government shovels cash into people like Turning Point?
Tron - no its an informed opinion.
We spend very little on drug rehabilitation and so on compared to the money we spend on criminal justice relating to drugs.
Every £ spent on drug rehab saves £7 in criminal justice. half of crime is drug related. 8% of the population regularly use drugs, 20+ % occasionally.(IIRC)
You just said it was a belief...
probably be cut down anyway,
I believe it to be true based on the information I have. Its not blind faith its an informed opinion.
I have worked ( briefly) in drug rehab and in the criminal justice system where I came into contact with drug users.
Are some of those defending drugs use on this thread the very same people who shout "BUT IT'S BREAKING THE LAW" every time someone on here confesses to having done 75 mph once?
The difference is that generally when you take drugs (apart from maybe alcohol) you are only endangering yourself.
I think there must be a parallel universe where everyone has the odd dabble with drugs and it's seen as perfectly fine. At least that's the impression I get from some people's comments and the odd article in the more left wing press.In my social circles it's either very unusual, or so low key that I haven't noticed.
Probably just no-one invites you to any of the fun parties because they can tell what a killjoy you are 😛
What Grum said, your freinds who partake hide thier use from you as you are so obviously anti.
I've hid my use from the conservative elements for years.
The difference is that generally when you take drugs (apart from maybe alcohol) you are only endangering yourself.
That's really, a very, very short sighted view. What about the many unpleasant people who make the supply chain possible?
What about the many unpleasant people who make the supply chain possible?
A problem that would be solved immediately if they were made legal... I look forward to the day I can say I'm just off to the shop for a pack of spliffs.
No, I drive like a maniac too. Espescially when I'm ripped off my tits
I lol'd.
A problem that would be solved immediately if they were made legal.
It wouldn't. Making something legal here has no impact on the rest of the supply chain, it simply removes criminals from the UK end.
What about the many unpleasant people who make the supply chain possible?
I dunno - presumably then you only ever buy fair trade food, clothing etc? Never anything made in a sweat shop?
It wouldn't. Making something legal here has no impact on the rest of the supply chain, it simply removes criminals from the UK end.
The previous poster referred to weed - that doesn't need to come from dodgy S American countries. There is really no logical argument whatsoever against allowing people to grow their own.
Moral relativism on a very grand scale there! I suggest you go and watch a documentary or two about coca farming, the gangs that run the operations and their methods.
Making something legal here has no impact on the rest of the supply chain, it simply removes criminals from the UK end.
Well that's a start in my book.
Have a read of this:
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/05/legalisation-drugs-antonio-maria-costa ]http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/05/legalisation-drugs-antonio-maria-costa[/url]
loddrik:
I can assure you they are not terrorists and they don't rape children
that's ok then isn't it, just the odd bit of armed robbery, extortion, gun running and prostitution? nice family business?
or you could have a read of this tron - in relation to Portugal's decriminalisation of all drugs.
The question is, does the new policy work? At the time, critics in the poor, socially conservative and largely Catholic nation said decriminalizing drug possession would open the country to "drug tourists" and exacerbate Portugal's drug problem; the country had some of the highest levels of hard-drug use in Europe. But the recently released results of a report commissioned by the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, suggest otherwise.The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.
"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does."
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
It wouldn't. Making something legal here has no impact on the rest of the supply chain, it simply removes criminals from the UK end.
By god, how short sighted you are.
That same rule applies to almost any consumer goods you could care to mention.
Clothes? sweatshops in the far east
Electronic goods? Copper and tin mines run by Congolese warloads employing slave labour
Etc etc..
For all our western consumerism, some one somewhere is having a very very bad day
What was this thread about again? Oh yeah... Ricky Hatton!
By his own admission he's a bit of a bell-end.
A brilliant boxer, who arguably squandered his potential through a love of ale, pies and (now it seems) chang!
I think as much fun as drugs are recreationally, or otherwise, they probably have a lot to do with many people not reaching their full potential.
But hey, maybe your potential was exactly where you are, hazy memories and all!
And a bit more 'moral relativism' for you tron
[b]The demand for cell phones and computer chips is helping fuel a bloody civil war in the Democratic Republic of Congo.[/b]The offer turned up a few weeks ago on an Internet bulletin board called the Embassy Network. Among the postings about Dutch work visas and Italian pen pals lurked a surprisingly blunt proposal: "How much do you want to offer per kilogram? Please find me at least 100,000 U.S. dollars and I will deliver immediately."
The substance for sale wasn't cocaine or top-grade opium. It was an ore called Columbite-tantalite - coltan for short - one of the world's most sought-after materials. Refine coltan and you get a highly heat-resistant metal powder called tantalum. It sells for $100 a pound, and it's becoming increasingly vital to modern life. For the high-tech industry, tantalum is magic dust, a key component in everything from mobile phones made by Nokia (NOK) and Ericsson and computer chips from Intel (INTC) to Sony (SNE) stereos and VCRs.
Selling coltan is not illegal. Most of the worldwide tantalum supply - valued at as much as $6 billion a year - comes from legitimate mining operations in Australia, Canada and Brazil. But as demand for tantalum took off with the boom of high-tech products in recent years, a new, more sinister market began flourishing in the Democratic Republic of Congo. There, warring rebel groups - many funded and supplied by neighboring Rwanda and Uganda - are exploiting coltan mining to help finance a bloody civil war now in its third year. "There is a direct link between human rights abuses and the exploitation of resources in areas in the DRC occupied by Rwanda and Uganda," says Suliman Baldo, a senior researcher in the Africa division at Human Rights Watch, a New York-based nongovernmental organization that tracks human-rights abuses worldwide.
http://www.globalissues.org/article/442/guns-money-and-cell-phones
I think as much fun as drugs are recreationally, or otherwise, they probably have a lot to do with many people not reaching their full potential.But hey, maybe your potential was exactly where you are, hazy memories and all!
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I reckon TJ is right it should be legalised, prohibition doesn't work.
Just one thing though - we should also have the right to knock off the dealers. Old-fashioned outlawry. Bang, you're dead. 🙂
I HATE THIS THREAD AS I'M AGREEING WITH TJ FFS :evil 👿
Drugs should stay illegal as far as I'm concerned.
I'd never be able to afford them if the govt. got their hands on them.
tron - check out the recent decriminalisation of drugs in Portugal if you want the most recent example of what happens when you do.
Prohibition does not work I'm afraid, and the sooner we start to decriminalise & tax drugs the better for everyone imo.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jul/20/drugsandalcohol.uk
I believe California is close to starting to tax the 'medicinal' marijuana trade.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/22/california.pot.tax/
1.8% tax rate according to that article. Considering that weed is the 2nd biggest cash crop in Canada these days, then there is some serious revenue to be made. Once the powers that be realise that then it's only a matter of time.
In another article NoTW also saying that the eejit Kerry Katona is having to move back North as she can't afford her £3.5m home!
Glad I live in the Midlands - at least dozy Northerners either stay at home or move South and leave us alone.
79 posts on great sporting bell ends and no mention of Kyle Lafferty? I can only assume the discussion went off-topic...
79 posts on great sporting bell ends and no mention of Kyle Lafferty? I can only assume the discussion went off-topic...
I thought there'd be a couple of votes for a crying Manxman. Must have been rehabilitated in the eyes of the STW massive
Eh? It's taken the NOTW until Sunday to put this into the paper? Their journos were tweeting about this story last week.
So, old news, I'm afraid. Either that or Uncle Rupert hasn't got as tight a leash on some of his writers as he might think.
doesn't make it right though does it?
What, precisely, makes it any more morally reprehensible than the rest of our western consumerist raping of the planet?
Can anyone tell me how or why was it filmed? Was it a hidden camera? Didn't read that in the article?
It's taken the NOTW until Sunday to put this into the paper?
I don't buy the paper, infact have never even read it, but.....
Isn't it a Sunday paper?
I may have to eat my words on this occasion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8993837.stm
Looks like he may have a drink/drugs problem. Either that or he has to say he does in order to salvage his career/reputation
That's just damage limitation KT1973....
Keeping up appearances and all that
I think there must be a parallel universe where everyone has the odd dabble with drugs and it's seen as perfectly fine. At least that's the impression I get from some people's comments and the odd article in the more left wing press.
In my social circles it's either very unusual, or so low key that I haven't noticed.
Probably just no-one invites you to any of the fun parties because they can tell what a killjoy you are
How sad it is you only think the drug fueled parties are the only fun ones.
I love reading the childish arguments of the pro drug takers who, when challenged about the activity being illegal, counter with "have you never broken the speed limit" or "do you drink alcohol". Yeah, great argument you losers.
By god. Just look, you could sit on that bottom lip!
And just where the F*** did the respondent mention drugs when he said fun parties?
How sad it is you only think the drug fueled parties are the only fun ones.
Not necessarily drug fueled parties, just ones that aren't full of boring, sanctimonious, judgemental ****s.
Please explain why drinking is somehow more morally justified than taking drugs?
Yeah, great argument you losers.
This is a great argument, well done.
BTW these days I very rarely get drunk and the only drugs I ever take aren't bought from drug dealers.