[Closed] GREAT NEWS FOR FANS OF THE BLATANTLY BIAS COMPANY BBC 2 immigration the truth!!

heheh, nice rant title
3/10

Is it a conspiracy of gayers, communists, and gay communists?

Harsh must be worth more than 3/10!

SD-253

3/10 is being generous. No speelin mistaks and no, random! Punct?uation£

Also. Nice to see you're viewing it with an open mind.

BBC doesn't agree with me and is therefore Bias SHOCKER!!!

I'm genuinely flattered and proud that so many people want to come from other countries to live in the UK. I love that fact I live in such a multicultural society. I love the things immigrants bring with them, their culture, food etc. As far as I'm concerned, if someone want to move here to live and work then that's fantastic. In the last 10 years I've worked with people from just about every eastern European nation, I've had an Iranian boss and a Greek boss, my town has loads of Nepalese and Chinese people and out of the shop window at work I see people of every creed and colour under the sun walking past. Today I served the most lovely Sikh chap who spoke little English but made me smile and made my day.
The only people I get sick of are moaning Brits.

Did i hear that right 42 different languages in one school? That was a question I didn't quite here what was said??

BBC doesn't agree with me and is therefore Bias SHOCKER

They the BBC said they were biased, although I do agree with them?

They the BBC said they were biased, although I do agree with them?

seems pretty well balanced to me

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the SD-253 (Panasonic)

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is that this years Melah, me and the wife and kids are there somewhere!

Peterpoddy has said it much better than me.

I hope that's a white loaf and not some foreign fruity shite.

Kinda looks like a skinhead popping out to say hello.

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Did i hear that right 42 different languages in one school? That was a question I didn't quite here what was said??

I'm genuinely flattered and proud that so many people want to come from other countries to live in the UK.

I hope that's a white loaf and not some foreign fruity shite.

Yeah, and don't go making any toast with it, you hear?

I must say that I really enjoyed the culture that certain nationalities have brought to Rome and Barcelona on recent trips.
How nice of them to check that my wallet was on my person and that I had not dropped it.

Seems pretty balanced to me, Vince cable seems surprisingly honest (for a politician)

Plus they said curry will be more expensive if we restrict immigration... So case closed there surely? 😉

It's almost Orwellian! Terrifying in its bias! I feel like I'm being brainwashed, yet I can't turn it off. The BBC must be doing subliminal shit !

HELP!!! MAKE THEM STOP

I must say that I really enjoyed the culture that certain nationalities have brought to Rome and Barcelona on recent trips.
How nice of them to check that my wallet was on my person and that I had not dropped it.

Never trust a Belgian!

Wouldn't you have to go to the US to Watch Loony Fox News? AND they are so potty nobody but the militias listen to them.

The curry awards seemed to be a very glitzy affair. I think they would have to roll me out if I attended.

Wouldn't you have to go to the US to Watch Loony Fox News? AND they are so potty nobody but the militias listen to them.

wiggles - Member

Plus they said curry will be more expensive if we restrict immigration... So case closed there surely?

No, case isn't closed there is no curry house near me. Last time I cycled back from one my curry was freezing cold! So you can close them all down!!!

Cycle a bit quicker then.

.mikewsmith - Member
Wouldn't you have to go to the US to Watch Loony Fox News? AND they are so potty nobody but the militias listen to them.

You could try it's slightly more subtle cousin at Sky or the rest of the murdoch press. I wonder why some of these organisations are keen to kill off the BBC. They are doing it over here in Oz too. It's a business strategy.

Remember Murdoch backed Labour for at least 10 years.

Is the BBC Labour?

Remember Murdoch backed [s]Labour[/s] Tony Blair for at least 10 years.

thgray - Member
Cycle a bit quicker then.

No, case isn't closed there is no curry house near me. Last time I cycled back from one my curry was freezing cold! So you can close them all down!!!

deadlydarcy - Member
Is the BBC Labour

*Applauds PeterPoddy*

Well said, that man.

Remember Murdoch backed Labour for at least 10 years.

kimbers - Member
Remember Murdoch backed Labour Tony Blair for at least 10 years

Immigration shmimigration, let's throw big stones at Nick Robinson and all feel a bit better.

So SD, what was the program actually like? Is it worth watching? What was the "truth about immigration" or did the BBC not deliver on the promise of the program? Did the program give different sides of the immigration debate? Would you recommend replaying it for students at school?

Sorry for the questions, but it seems an important topic so hope it got a decent airing. Did it?

I didn't watch right to the end but it seemed quite balanced to me. If I were the type to jump to wildly inaccurate conclusions, or to troll Internet forums using various log-ins, it probably wouldn't change my opinion much. Not that much of that kind of thing goes on here of course.

teamhurtmore - Member
So SD, what was the program actually like? Is it worth watching? What was the truth about immigration or did the BBC not deliver on the promise of the program? Did the program give different sides of the immigration debate? Would you recommend replaying it for students at school?

Sorry for the questions, but it seems an important topic so hope it got a decent airing. Did it?

Sorry, to be clear was it biased in favour or anti immigration? Given your second sentance was it biased against Labour? Did Theresa May join Jack Straw in admitting mistakes? Apart from the negative impact on wages did it present any positives of immigration? Who's private decisions did it pick on - did they come from both parties?

Again sorry for the questions, but deciding whether to watch it on Iplayer.

I feel it was fairly well balanced, they admitted they miscalculated by a factor of 10 the amount of expected immigration. Interviews with the public ranging from getting people to say that they were willing to pay more taxes to cut immigration, to interviewing slovaks and poles who lived here. He also quized teresa may on the fact indians applying to british universities had dropped hugely.

The next big issue on media bias
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/12/13/peppa-pig-under-fire-piers-weighs
http://www.mamamia.com.au/rogue/abc-left-wing-bias-peppa-pig/

Today however, Mummy Pig, Daddy Pig, Peppa and her brother George stand abashed. Revealed for what they truly are: A family of communist, gay rights-loving, monarchy bashing, anti-family, anti-free-market, piggies.

A fairly decent program and remarkably unbiased given that it was presented by the well known [s]tory[/s] trotskyite Nick Robinson

.teamhurtmore - Member
Sorry, to be clear was it biased in favour or anti immigration? Given your second sentance was it biased against Labour? Did Theresa May join Jack Straw in admitting mistakes? Apart from the negative impact on wages did it present any positives of immigration? Who's private decisions did it pick on - did they come from both parties?

Again sorry for the questions, but deciding whether to watch it on Iplayer.

gordimhor - Member well known tory trotskyite Nick Robinson

mikewsmith - Member
Remember Murdoch backed Labour for at least 10 years.

Yes, he backs the side that can return the most (and is more likly to win), currently the bet would be with Cameron to help dismantle the BBC and strengthen Sky's position.

I was referring to Robinsons time as President of the Conservative Party youth wing ....and yet he still managed to get a top job at

the BBC that backs New/Old or anything vaguely Socialist!

Immigration is the entire basis of the society we live in, our diets, technology and the wealth of the western world... if it hadn't been for the murderous European Immigrants colonizing the Americas, Africa and Asia, we wouldn't have the modern technological means to bitch about other people doing the same global migration as has happened since history began.

At least the filthy foreign modern immigrants mentioned aren't murderous and hunting us for sport, or selling us into slavery.

Guess they do work harder than a lot of the whinging indigenous lummoxes though, hence the insecurity 😉

Don't get me started on those bloody Canada Geese; migratory bastids!!

Now that definitely meets the definition of an Oxymoron

.teamhurtmore - Member Apart from the negative impact on wages

Junkyard - lazarus
Now that definitely meets the definition of an Oxymoron

so an oxy ahead of you then and he also has irony and knowledge that wooshed right over your head.
Wise troll now there is an oxymoron for you sadly boring troll is not one nor obvious troll

Well done for playing the I was joking defence I am sure that will be seen as just as genuine and sincere as your other posts.

Junkyard - lazarus
Well done for playing the I was joking defence I am sure that will be seen as just as genuine and sincere as your other posts

mikewsmith - Member
Remember Murdoch backed Labour for at least 10 years.
Yes, he backs the side that can return the most (and is more likly to win), currently the bet would be with Cameron to help dismantle the BBC and strengthen Sky's position.

When the hell has Sky/Murdoch tried to dismantle the BBC and what a pathetic belief that New Labour would ever contemplate conspiring with Murdoch to bring down the BBC. I hope your not a nine eleven conspiracy nut.???

News Corporation's James Murdoch has said that a "dominant" BBC threatens independent journalism in the UK.
The chairman of the media giant in Europe, which owns the Times and Sun, also blamed the UK government for regulating the media "with relish".
"The expansion of state-sponsored journalism is a threat to the plurality and independence of news provision," he told the Edinburgh Television Festival.
The scope of the BBC's activities and ambitions was "chilling", he added.

Frankly if you can't see what one of the largest global media organisations want with politicians then your not seeing the bias (and thats excluding looking after your ex-wife)
The Murdoch media group has something to sell (it's favour) and all it wants in return is???

[img] [/img]It's also a little rich of anyone British to lecture anyone on the immigration and going to another country and not integrating and just expecting it to be like Britain...

Who's doing that? ❓

Since when are exclamation marks an automatic indication that one is joking?

SD your illustration in relation to home help may well have more to do with lack of a minimum wage poor employment rights and the use of outsourcing in social and health services than immigration.

The mere fact that an organisation staffed by educated people with access to information and the time and experience to consider it does not reflect your world view does not of itself make that organisation biased.

I have a suspicion you are being sarcastic teamhurtmore! Of course the BBC are biased they are not capable of anything else.

Not at all, just trying to be clear. Several posters have said that it was balanced and you have given examples of balance too. So simple question how was it biased - for or against immigration, for or against any particular party?

Again as they and there journalist have admitted. In one town they found people who were against greater immigration but the journalist then stated the majority were happy.

May be they were happy?

Later they had to admit that every survey said the public were against it.

So pretty balanced then....this is the message you keep giving me. Arguments for and against. I had better watch it then.

Don't think I said anything about them biased against Labour. Only that Labour admitted they had cocked it up.

My impression was that you felt they (the Beeb) were pro-labour and yet there seems to be little pro-labour comments so far - mainly as you say, they cocked it up. Sounds as if the message was anti-labour if anything, They didn't cap to all by having Balls or Cooper sounding contrite did they?

Thanks for the insight re wages although I am not sure how the low pay for home medical staff' (I know I have been there this year) relates directly to immigration but as an economist I can understand the impact of increased supply of labour. But I thought they had the economist Portes on this program (according to the blurb) he's normally fairly open about the pros and cons (yes the impact on wages) and has written extensively on the subject including;

But, more broadly, immigration is mostly a red herring when it comes to concerns about the UK labour market. Youth unemployment was stubbornly high even before the recession and labour market prospects for young people without skills and qualifications are likely to remain bleak even in recovery. There's plenty to be worried about. But not one credible economic analysis suggests migration from the EU has had a negative impact on the employment or unemployment rates of native Britons. Indeed, youth unemployment actually rose faster during the recession in areas that experienced lower immigration rates.

And while the evidence is mixed on wages, with some evidence of downward pressure for the lower paid, the impacts are very small compared to more important factors such as technological change and the minimum wage. Claiming that keeping out Romanians and Bulgarians (or other immigrants) would do anything significant to improve the life chances of young Brits isn't just wrong, it's delusional and a distraction from policies that might make a real difference.

What about wider economic impacts? Some have argued that immigration has little impact on per capita GDP. But this ignores much of the recent economic research on this topic, which suggests that immigrants can boost innovation and raise productivity; and that, perhaps as a consequence, countries more open to immigration, like countries more open to trade, seem to have higher productivity growth.

crankboy - Member
SD your illustration in relation to home help may well have more to do with lack of a minimum wage poor employment rights and the use of outsourcing in social and health services than immigration.

^^^ agree, it sounds to me like they would be better served by the NHS rather than having the worked farmed out to the lowest bidder

The firms get away with it by making them self employed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25453776

I think the BBC agrees with your opinions on home help, and therefore renders all of your arguments invalid.

perhaps you should stick to ITV and Breeze FM.

Junkyard - lazarus
Well done for playing the I was joking defence I am sure that will be seen as just as genuine and sincere as your other posts

Thanks for the insight re wages although I am not sure how the low pay for home medical staff' (I know I have been there this year) relates directly to immigration but as an economist I can understand the impact of increased supply of labour. But I thought they had the economist Portes on this program (according to the blurb) he's normally fairly open about the pros and cons (yes the impact on wages) and has written extensively on the subject including;

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hmmm... [b]SD-253[/b] - seems unconvincing - no evidence for bias, no evidence for your assertions, just a dislike of opinions different from yours? I'd say THM is usually one of the more centre-right posters around here, and yet he doesn't seem to agree?

So what actually is your point, other than a little light, poorly thought-out, stirring?

Centre-right, moi? 😉 According to that poll a while back I was a left of centre libertarian!!!! Either that or a swivel eyed RW loon!!!!! 😉 This political stuff gets so confusing.

I am still waiting to see what, if any, left wing bias there was in the program. I will try and watch later today to find out. As you say, stoats brother, little evidence so far it seems.

(There is one rather large giveaway, but not spotted yet. I will see if that is the case - but relates to a bit of a ding-dong between two rival economists, so a bit dry for most peoples taste ! )

sd-253 are you [url= http://www.newstatesman.com/media/2013/12/man-who-hates-liberal-britain ]Paul Dacre[/url] ?

warning very long essay!

Your under the opinion that I value your view of me..why?

And the two exclamation marks imply I was joking!!!

was that you on the news tonight hiding your face going into court?

By the way only trolls and cowards insult people via the internet

SD-253 - Member

And the two exclamation marks imply I was joking!!!

Do these three exclamation marks imply that you're joking here as well?

Traditionally, multiple exclamation marks don't imply anything other than that the person typing is an 8 year old child, semi-illiterate, or a zoomer.

SD-253, you deserve a knighthood for services to (unintentional) comedy.

Northwind - Member
Do these three exclamation marks imply that you're joking here as well?

Good question, but I feel that was an unintended paradox. All Cretans are liers said the Cretan......

I am assuming by the lack of response that sd now feels that the program was not biased. Not often that someone changes their views in STW!! (Opps, giving my age away) Good to know that the Beeb is getting better then.

I am doing my best to reply to you teamhurtmore but I struggled on 7" tablet and lost the whole reply twice on my little used laptop. So will have to reply in sections

teamhurtmore - Member

I have a suspicion you are being sarcastic teamhurtmore! Of course the BBC are biased they are not capable of anything else.

Not at all, just trying to be clear. Several posters have said that it was balanced and you have given examples of balance too. So simple question how was it biased - for or against immigration, for or against any particular party?

Again as they and there journalist have admitted. In one town they found people who were against greater immigration but the journalist then stated the majority were happy.

May be they were happy?

Later they had to admit that every survey said the public was against it.

So pretty balanced then....this is the message you keep giving me. Arguments for and against. I had better watch it then.

the BBC has admitted to bias in favor of immigrants and the left.

Everyone knows my grammar limitations so I will work up to using three , once of course we have been told what it means !!

As stated enough times now the BBC has admitted to bias in favor of immigrants and the left. Have you problem excepting this?

No problem accepting it if it is true. I shall see later. My problem is that you have given evidence to the contrary including the Program indicating (presumably from the recent social attitudes survey) that (1) the majority of people are concerned about immigration and (2) that even those for immigration are concerned about the rate. So despite you opinion about LT bias, it doesn't (so far) seem to be the case here.

Maybe the journo was merely reflecting the majority of those he surveyed before complementing that with the results of the other survey? It's quite an accusation to say that they just made it up.

I would hope that the program concluded that there are pros and cons to immigration and that we have not had sufficient debate about either. Again, I shall see....

My impression was that you felt they (the Beeb) were pro-labour and yet there seems to be little pro-labour comments so far - mainly as you say, they cocked it up. Sounds as if the message was anti-labour if anything, They didn't cap to all by having Balls or Cooper sounding contrite did they?

Bollocks my laptop is playing up. I have had a word with computer expert he said swithch it off and on again will try it!

You can state it as often as you want but it doesn't make it true.

And the two exclamation marks imply I was joking!!!

I'll buy you an interrobang for your birthday 🙂