I have recently been told, under no uncertain terms, that in the world of business the capitalizing of the subject pronoun 'I' is no longer necessary.
This I find quite strange and most certainly not some new grammar rule.
This is a call to the STW busness world, if i don't use the capital 'I' would you say that i'm writing badly, i would? Or am i not conforming to some new norm? I need answers!!
Thanks.
I know what I think
You are correct.
Capitali[b]s[/b]ation is used to identify a specific person or item, in this case yourself by using the word I.
I think my reply would be "you might not have standards, but I do."
Wouldn't they read differently, anyhow? I'd read "I" as sounding like 'eye,' but if I came across "i" written my brain would parse it as 'ih.'
Capitalisation is used to identify a specific person or item, in this case yourself by using the word I.
Why don't we capitalise "you" then?
Why don't we capitalise "you" then?
Because you can refer to more than one person?
in jamaica I and I is used instead of us/we!
Capitali[b]s[/b]ation
Incorrect correction! -ize is an accepted form of spelling. Pedant fail.
Incorrect correction! -ize is an accepted form of spelling. Pedant fail.
Not by me it's not.
I think my reply would be "you might not have standards, but I do."
Wouldn't they read differently, anyhow? I'd read "I" as sounding like 'eye,' but if I came across "i" written my brain would parse it as 'ih.'
I agree.
Lots if things have changed since I was at school, the format of a letter for example, but basic good grammar, spelling and punctuation changes little, if at all.
Not by me it's not.
Do you also correct Americans for their lack of use of the present perfect?
Lots if things have changed since I was at school, the format of a letter for example, but basic good grammar, spelling and punctuation changes little, if at all.
I am happy if the grammar has changed as this is one of the beauties of English, I was just unsure in regard to this question and the chap in question was adamant on this point.
Tell him he's wrong then.
Probably a "convention" resulting from the non-capitalization common with texting as capitalizing requires two thumb-presses instead of just one.
Never heard this before and it looks crap IMO. I would consider a document as looking unprofessional if it did that.
I am happy if the grammar has changed as this is one of the beauties of English
Yes very true. And it does because we change the way we speak, but the basics change very little. 'I' in this instance is a capital letter. No arguments about that, I'd have just laughed, said "err no" and ignored him.
EDIT
Cougar has the clever answer though. 🙂
in jamaica I and I is used instead of us/we!
[b]I[/b]n [b]J[/b]amaica I and I is used instead of us/we!
I have recently been told, in no uncertain terms, that in the world of business... <insert random crap here>. Err who told you? Colleagues around me come up with all sorts of useless/incorrect/made-up guff, it doesn't mean it's some sort of new convention.
Tell him he's wrong then.
I was hoping that I could print of this thread and the force of the STW masses would help him see the error of his ways. Some people are just too stupid to be told anything, that's business.
[b]davidjones15[/b] If you're happy to accept the of use of a z where we'd use an s, for example capitalising, why are you so adverse to the lower case i?
Personally, I think Americans can do want they want to their version of English, but for me I'll stick with an s in capitalise and I in uppercase.
Soon people will think it is acceptable to put question marks at the end of sentences which aren't questions. Oh, wait.
Generally I'm quite progressive, eg Observer, Guardian and BBC style guides all leave the stops out of eg and ie now, treating them as separate words. This bothers some people when I edit to house style. But in your case I'd flog 'em.
Personally, I think Americans can do want they want to their version of English, but for me I'll stick with an s in capitalise and I in uppercase.
Isn't it a myth that this is a black and white US English vs British English thing? I thought both had been in common use here for a long time.
Edit: yup, read this - http://www.metadyne.co.uk/ize.html
[quote=bluebird ]davidjones15 If you're happy to accept the of use of a z where we'd use an s, for example capitalising, why are you so adverse to the lower case i?
Personally, I think Americans can do want they want to their version of English, but for me I'll stick with an s in capitalise and I in uppercase.
except that in many cases, merkins use the *[i]original[/i]* form of the word and it's *[b]our[/b]* usage that's changed over the years
Microsoft Word auto-corrects an i by itself to I, same for i'm, i've, i'll, etc.
So tell him "Computer says No!!"
[i]I have recently been told, under no uncertain terms, that in the world of business the capitalizing of the subject pronoun 'I' is no longer necessary.[/i]
I work in the world of business and if anyone I worked with thought this to be the case I'd assume them to be, at best, unprofessional and, at worst, a moron.
like i care what they do
The Americans got aluminum right though. They can have that one.
Except that the English spelling is "aluminium".
"Hey dude, i love your titanum hardtail." would be very wrong 🙂
Using a z in -izations, whilst used in America, is not an Americanization. If you look at Gowers's Modern English Usage you will find both using an s and a z are acceptable and indeed the use of a z is arguably more correct as the use of s is the result of adopting a French bastardization.
Had not read earlier post making this point.
"Hey dude, i love your titanum hardtail." would be very wrong
Well of course it would - the word "titanum" has never existed 😉 😆
Of course it does, I just used it! Doesn't make it right though.
If you can drop an "i" from "aluminium" then why can't you drop it from other metals too?
Aluminum came first - Humphrey Davy added the "i", to make it conform with other metals (ie titanium).
But Aluminium comes before Titanium in the Periodic Chart so shouldn't the others follow suit?
[i]Humphrey Davy added the "i", to make it conform with other metals (ie titanium). [/i]
Yeah, like sodium and platinium. Oh 😕
But Aluminium comes before Titanium in the Periodic Chart so shouldn't the others follow suit?
Probably, but I'm not a historian. Or a scientist. Or an English teacher. 😆
I have recently been told, under no uncertain terms, that in the world of business the capitalizing of the subject pronoun 'I' is no longer necessary.
He uses Mac products doesn't he?
[i]Probably, but I'm not a historian.[/i]
[i]Historan[/i]?
He, She etc used to be capitalised - I suppose this is just one stage further.
@Wallop; so why do you think that the Yanks got aluminum (sic) right?
EDIT: Double post.
The dropping on pompous capitali[b]z[/b]ation can only be a good thing.
A thorny issue though, and one that has almost had me fired a few times now.
However, 'I' is neither pompous, nor subject to debate.
He uses Mac products doesn't he?
My iPhone and iMac both autocorrect 'i' to 'I'
Yeah, like sodium and platinium. Oh
Not 'Oh', you may be thinking of Ah
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@ST: Nice. I didn't see that one coming 🙂
