You know perfectly well that none of what you posted points to a reduction in UK manufacturing
No, but what does point to a reduction in UK manufacturing is a reduction in the number of factories and workshops and that...
And a sizeable chunk of our manufacturing output is weapons and weapon systems. Oh look we've bin involved in lots of wars in the last 20 years...
Fact is this country is declining as an economic power, and this decline will continue. Only the most stubborn of ostriches can fail to see this.
Best all start learning Chinese, then....
Thing is Northwind I here you regarding numbers
But there has been a huge reduction in Large manufacturing
including the midi sized factories or workshops that simply
get it made out of this country !
Its ok quoting numbers all day but just how much of that 7th largest manufacturing
is actually made within our waters?
Most of it is brought in made outside and sold off
I would say the North of England is around the last areas of larger manufacturing
A guy I know buys his furniture in from Italy and takes the stickers off and puts his own brand on
and has two guys touching up damaged items and then sending out.
Elfinsafety - MemberNo, but what does point to a reduction in UK manufacturing is a reduction in the number of factories and workshops and that...
<bangs head against wall> Your perception is false. Rose by .2% in the last quarter, is predicted to fall by .5% in the next, but with an overall [i]growth[/i] of 1.5% for the year. Despite the fact that as you may have heard, there's a recession on.
If your complaint is that we're not outproducing China, then that's inevitable- but don't pretend our manufacturing sector is in decline. The world's largest countries produce more than us, shock horror.
grantway - MemberIts ok quoting numbers all day but just how much of that 7th largest manufacturingis actually made within our waters?
100% of it. That's why it's called UK manufacturing.
No, but they can already be dealt with currently by any competent manager/hr department.
That's fair enough, I'm not up on employment law, but I'm under the impression it's fairly hard to sack someone even with good grounds, hence managers jumping through hoops to prove fault etc.
<bangs head against wall>
Careful, you'll hurt youself if you keep doing that.
Your perception is false
No it's not. It's a fact that there is less manufacturing in this country than there was 30 years ago. There are significantly less factories ffs! Have you not noticed?
No point in quoting massaged engineered figures created by agencies with a vested interest in making positive noises; the truth is the UK's manufacturing base and economy is in decline, and has bin for ages.
don't pretend our manufacturing sector is in decline
[url= http://tutor2u.net/economics/content/essentials/manufacturing_industry_in_uk.htm ]I'm not pretending, it's a fact.[/url]
No, but they can already be dealt with currently by any competent manager/hr department.That's fair enough, I'm not up on employment law, but I'm under the impression it's fairly hard to sack someone even with good grounds, hence managers jumping through hoops to prove fault etc.
Nope - its straightforward if you have good grounds. Even if its a question of competence is straightforward
Elfinsafety - MemberNo it's not. It's a fact that there is less manufacturing in this country than there was 30 years ago. There are significantly less factories ffs! Have you not noticed?
I think you know fine well what a straw man that is. Also it's interesting that your link doesn't show what you claim it does- were you just hoping I wouldn't look 😆
What it does show, had you bothered to actually look through it, is that the manufacturing portion of our GDP has declined, employment in manufacturing has declined, and the export of manufactured goods has declined.
I'd say that indicates a decline in manufacturing, woon't you?
[url= http://www.historyandpolicy.org/opinion/opinion_07.html ]
[/url]All developed economies have experienced a reduction in the contribution of manufacturing to GDP over the past forty years, but its fall here has been more rapid than in any comparable economy. In 1979 manufacturing accounted for almost [b]30[/b] per cent of the UK's GDP. Rapid decline followed, as large parts of British industry closed down while the financial and service sectors expanded. By 2007 just [b]14[/b] per cent of the GDP could be attributed to manufacturing.
Oh come [i]on[/i] now, we're back to my first post here. And I know you're not stupid, so I assume you're doing it deliberately.
1) "The manufacturing portion of our GDP has declined"- manufacturing as a proportion of GDP has declined only because other sectors have grown faster. If GDP grows faster than manufacturing, then manufacturing falls as a percentage of GDP, this doesn't mean manufacturing has fallen. Just maths.
2) "Employment in manufacturing has declined"- Productivity increases, and changes in the type of products made. If you replace 10 men operating lathes manually, with one CNC machine with 1 man running it, does that mean manufacturing has fallen by 90%? Of course not. Manufacturing is measured by output not by manpower.
3) "Export of manufactured goods has declined"- your link says no such thing, go look. Don't confuse the balance of trade with the scale of exports- imports have increased faster than exports, but from 98 to 08 goods exports increased 78% (in 2009 they dropped, but by almost exactly the world mean)
I have no idea why people are so keen to run UK manufacturing down. It's impossible for it to compete on even terms with China and the USA, that's a given but to put down what it achieves is just plain strange.
Fine post, Northwind
got to say, it looks like you've been comprehensively pwnd there elf. 😉