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Not realy my field of expertise at all but I don'rt see why it reduces your exercise capacity that much
It might be the betablockers he's talking about, but bearing in mind he's on warfarin, he may have been advised not to take the extra risk of MTBing given the possibility to fall/HI?
Fingers crossed for the ablation Ton.
DrP
Ok - this is from the bloke who told you to seek help [i]immediately[/i] when you first mentioned your problem... which you ignored 😉
1) I ride and ski with blokes on Warfarin - it isn't an issue.
2) Ablation success rates are usually a bit higher than that. Google the ESC guidelines and read them if you want. And some need a second procedure.
3) Even with a rate rather than rhythym control strategy you would still be able to exercise - although your maximal exercise capacity might be less.
4) There are rate control drugs other than beta blockers which may adapt better to exercise. Tell your consultant what activities are important to you.
In the meantime - lose weight (you want to send all that blood to muscle - and I saw that photo the other day...) and keep your spirits up
xxxx John
best of luck ton but rest assured you're a fine hunk of a man and even if the worst did happen I'd still do you 😉
All the best big man,chin up
stoatsbrother.......advice well and truly taken in this time.
thanks
Not much I can add, but my best wishes anyway - are you totally off the bike, or are pootles to the pub/juice bar/cafe still OK? You were getting some gentle rides in I thought.
<Joins hug>
that sucks but keep on trying - and get out on those canalside pootles all you can!
Fingers and toes crossed for you here in the bunnyhop household.
You'll have to get up to Scotland and ask that nice TJ to let you ride pillion on his tandem. Just let him do all the work (take a whip with you) 😉
Bunnyhop xx
ton, hope you are in the good 50%.
You have put my crap day into perspective.
Manhugs. C.
Keep at it ton, fingers crossed from all us lot in basel. 🙂
Bon Courage Ton.
xxx SB
You'll have to get up to Scotland and ask that nice TJ to let you ride pillion on his tandem. Just let him do all the work (take a whip with you)
*s****s*
I would like to join in all the well wishes but ,to be honest. can I have dibs on your bikes 😉
Hope it all works out well.... who will I talk crap to too on the climbs now 😳
Seriously hope it all goes well
joins in big hug for Ton.
thanks for all the good wishes everyone, i am a bit overwhelmed.
i am gonna keep dpoing the canalside pootles. and maybe a bit more when a find a ton proof electric assist bike.
I've got dibs on the Ventana 😉
Shit dude. Good luck.
*joins group hug*
No hugs from me - proper manly hand shake.
Seriously though, that's rubbish news. Just hope the procedures work, and as TJ mentioned, research the hell out of this if you're not getting what you need.
(Joins the group man hugging)
I feel for you. My ankle has had me sidelined for 7 months and I was despairing. Thank fully I got good news from the Mri recently and it is beginning to improve...all my fingers crossed for you and hope to see you enjoying biking ASAP. Chin up.
Haven't read all the posts but do have some family experience of cardiac ablation: my mother had a CA procedure in January at John Radcliffe and is much, much better. She's off the Warfarin and everything and feeling much better - hope it's the same for you!
All the best!
Chin up big guy, the odds aren't against you riding again soon 😀
awwww shit mate that sucks. Hope things go well with the ablation and we get to see you on a ride soon.
Big hugs, Ton. Clearly the hivemind is rooting for you 100%. Take joy at uniting the dissident factions, but please don't knock canal side riding. I wear full body armour on my local towpath. Bloody kids chucking stuff! 🙂
Hey Ton, good luck fella. My Mrs is a paediatrick nurse at LGI, shall I send her round to give you a hug?
Ton, don't loose "heart" OK I know that is corny! But you me & Big Pete are body doubles (that should be triples TBH)
I continue to wear that old 5th Element you sold me for road rides & if its possible I would like to join you for your Liv-Leeds canal ride
Bug hugs Tony...
****in hope it gets squared away mate.
Yer always welcome over here in the flatlands of Cheshire.
But you already know that.
Godspeed fella.
Nick
Look on the positive side, Ton; canals are great fun and there's loads to see and do along the way. All sorts of interesting old stuff and that.
Take a cam and photygraph stuff you find. I love canals, me.
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Be thankful for what you do have, and enjoy that as much as possible, rather than lamenting things you don't have.
We've never met and never spoke , but i feel like i know you from hanging around this place ! Thinking about you mate, stay positive and good luck . Nowt wrong with a nice towpath trundle i say !!
Stay positive, it definitely makes a difference. I hope it goes well for you.
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Here's where it all kicks off! Typical insensitive Elfin posting of a canal towpath dead end! 🙂
Hey Ton,
I spoke to you on an earlier post about your AF.
I'm a Charge Nurse in a Cardiology unit that deals with ablation procedures.
Sorry for the news but there is still good reason to be hopeful.
So, AF is erratic signals making your atria go mad, these signals come from the Pulmonary Veins, which bring blood back from the lungs to the heart.
These veins join the heart at the left atrium. An ablation procedure is intended to essentially burn a ring around the area where the veins join the heart, electrically isolating them so that even if they fire random signals, they can't get through to the heart.
There are four veins joining the heart, so this has to be done for each of them.
You'll come into a day surgery ward the morning of the op.
Get into gown, doctor/nurse does paperwork, consent etc.
You don't have to shave your pubs at our gaff but the hospital might tell you to.
You'll be taken to the cardiac lab, lie on a thin table and have loads of stickers put on you. (good idea to shave chest & back - it'll hurt taking stickers off)
Xray macjine will sit above your chest.
Lots of computer screens on your left.
The doc will put cold liquid on your groin. (yikes!)
He'll then inject local anaestetic. (stings then goes numb)
He'll then but three little tubes into the femoral vein.
Long catheters that have platinum tips then go up tho your heart.
They go to the left atrium and sit in the pulmonary veins.
These catheters pick up the random signals and display them on a screen.
Another catheter is put in and put up against where the signals are coming from.
The platinum tip is then heated to about 50degC 50 watts for around a minute at a time.
The doc works his way around the vein until the screen showing the erratic signals is clear.
It can be a bit painful as it moves around, some spots are easier than others. It's not because somethings going wrong, it can just be a bit uncomfortable.
You will probably get some sedatives & painkillers - take them if offered, don't be a hero.
The procedure can last 2-6 hours.
Don't drink too much before & pee before you go in.
After, you will have to lie flat for an hour or so to make sure you don't bleed from the groin.
You'll go back to the ward and sleep it off, you might get home that day but prepare for an overnight stay.
The procedure is not always successful firt time.
An area treated might recover slightly, allowing some erratic signals getting through.
A second procedure is just some spot welding to seal the gaps.
It can be done several times.
Best advice is to try and be as relaxed about it as possible (hard, i know) tense and anxious people tend to have a rougher time.
As for future?
Beta blockers are quit refined now, with lots of different options to try that'll work best for you.
Warfarin is ok but new & safer ones are coming (See dabigatran)
Keep excersizing as much as you feel you can and keep yer chin up.
Lose some weight.
You'll always be 20Ton if a little lighter and alive. 🙂
+1 for what 2wheels said.
also definitely discuss alternatives to your beta blocker (i.e. ace plus ca channel blockers) with respect to your lifestyle.
as regards warfarin, i haven't heard anything about alternatives to warfarin for the likes of you but as 2 wheels works in cardiology and i'm something else again i'd keep an eye out. i do prescribe rivaroxaban in orthopaedics and it's a lot less complicated.
Electric assist bike you say....
chin up fella its not over yet...
Oh Ton, fingers crossed for you. Keep positive - really hope things work out. Take care xx
Best of luck with this Ton.
Now [url= http://www.justebikes.co.uk/products/haibike-eq-xduro-fs/ ]THIS[/url] is what you call an electrically assisted bike.
Seriously though Ton, my lad was born with a heart condition which isn't really operable at the moment although this may change. He's on a beta-blocker that, with some trial and error, has got us to the point where he can exercise/play/cycle/run around like a mentalist 9 year old but it just stops him overdoing it. The only downside so far is that it does slow his metabolism up so we have to watch what he eats (within reason).
Have met a few people now that have had ablation procedures and they all seem to have worked well so there is more than a glimmer of hope. Keep your chin up & good luck with the treatment.
Bloomin ek, that is pretty grotty news.
I hope you'll come to terms with it soon, then get back to enjoying yourself pretty sharpish.
I always reckon stuff happens for a reason mate, you'll get through this and it'll make your life better. Dunno how, but still, you gotta laugh, eh?
Remember it's friday pieday too today. Babby's 'ead and a mixture for lunch 'll cheer you up no end (Steak and kidney pudding with chips, peas and gravy for the philistines amongst you)
Ive been diagnosed with Hypotensive Cardiomyopathy.
Am on 100mg Atenolol (beta blocker), Amlodopine and Aspirin - have been for over 10 years, am also in AF. Still manage to do 100 milers @ 14mph, regularly. MTBing in the Peak district is still fun and I only walk the bits that my riding buddies walk.
In short, its not the end of the world and you WILL adapt.
Good luck!
youch.. hope it works out for you..
as others have said.. think positive! 😀
*whistles along to always look on the bright side of life*
ton, I've never met you in person but through this place it feels as if I knew you. Always a laugh, always a spirit.
Take it from somebody who, after being hit by a lorry at the age of 10, was told he'll never run, walk fast, cycle, nowt, nada - 50% chance is huge. You will, by the sound of it, be in the best place and you're far healthier than Joe Bloggs who does no riding at all. You will look back at this moment in time and see it different but you WILL recover.
Lose weight? Slow down? Eat healthier? Who am I to tell you this, do whatever feels right. Don't be depressed, shit happens only to the good folk, if you were a cXXt it wouldn't.
All the best big fella, you'll be fine (take heart from Bullheart).
Just wanna echo what everyone's said already. Don't really know you or chat that much on here but chin up mate.
In time all this will pass..
The cardiac nurse seems to be talking sense, take heart from that!
Ton
I had that process done about 10 years ago, kind of scary while its being done as they control your heart. But no pain apart from the sting of the local in the groin. They did it then tested the heart by increasing the heart rate and then lettingit settle on its on. All been fine since the moment I walked out of there.
Good luck
One more thing if I may.
Imagine a good honest friend of yours in this predicament. What would you tell him? What frame of mind would you put him in? What would you tell him to do?
This time the mate is you.