or the three backing singers, or do they not count?
They are pretty tight but JUST SO BLAND!!!
Disclosure. For the win.
Unnecessary cover of an annoying song thrown in randomly. I was looking forward to this but I've been distinctly underwhelmed.
Nickc - clearly I can't count 😉
Backing singers aren't uncommon but what I meant was why do they need an extra instrumentalist?
They should be able to replicate the studio sound with the usual set-up surely.
Loads of bands take extra musicians on the road.
Pink Floyd, being one example.
Dolly sure is a polished performer, amazing to see a 68 year old woman country and western singer holding a mixed crowd of that size in the palm of her hand, a consomethinge professional
consider for a moment a fair number of the crowds [u]parents[/u] weren't even born when she had her first hit 😯
barkm - MemberWith the exception of Cyanide I loved every minute.
We tuned in halfway through Cyanide, what a stinker 😆 Can't believe it made the cut, if you only do one Death Magnetic song you do the day that never comes surely? (or at least the last 3 minutes)
Wiki tells me he is Tim Carter.
Everyday's a school day. They still remain dull derivative by the number though.
cover of Crazy? wtf 😕
This bit is shite - WTF indeed - why, why, why?
I've just turned them off. It would seem that I like them recorded but live they are just a bit shit.
I think they are better than they used to be, but do sound better from the studio than in the flesh, saw them live a few years back and was underwhelmed. The seem to get to the edge without ever jumping in.
Too many flags. Jesus.
london Grammer on the red button at the mo.
Now that girl can sing.
Bonobo was amazing, del la still sound great to
I missed the Manics' set on the "other stage" last night but so glad i recorded it, just watched it now, loved Nina Hoss singing on Europa Geht Durch Mich, you could tell she was up for it as later on you could her spot dancing away at the side of the stage, and Nicky Wire piped up with one of the best mini-stage spiels i've heard over the Glastonbury weekend…
[i]This is is usually the part of the set where I say something stupid and **** everything up...We don't have any fireworks, no glitter...but we just sang a song together about fighting fascists in Spain. A number one record with deep rooted politics. It can be done." [/i]
Kudos Nicky, take a bow for that one……you don't need a stage show if you have decent songs 😀
A brilliant festival performance by the manics and how it should be done including a final tribute to richard james **** edwards, must admit to having a lump in my throat at that one as it was so easy to read james's expression afterwards.
OK so at nearly the end of the weekend.
Who should we go back and watch on the iplayer and why.
Who should we go back and watch on the iplayer and why.
Lily Allen, just for the camel toe/wedgie incident
Rocketdog...surely you have to post a link...it is your duty.
Watching London Grammar now, at the risk of sounding over the top [i]Oh My **** God! [/i] …….. i know they are really tight as i've seen them live before but this set is amazing, Hannah's voice is so piercing and clear it's pitch perfect, this is a lesson for all the other female singers and artists out there who feel the need to show off their tits and arse to get attention. And Dan n' Dot are so tight with their playing…….oh to be so talented.
edit : Disappointed that Massive Attack refused to allow their set to be recorded for tv, radio or online broadcasting 🙁
rascal - Member
Nickc - clearly I can't count
Backing singers aren't uncommon but what I meant was why do they need an extra instrumentalist?
They should be able to replicate the studio sound with the usual set-up surely.
You think each band member just lays down one track to make an album!?
Not uncommon for 3/4 guitar tracks to be laid down for depth etc in the studio - hence extra musicians on the road - just wouldn't sound 'full' enough.
And to echo the London Grammar comments - truly exceptional. Saw them a couple of weeks ago and watched again tonight. The closing duo of if you wait and metal and dust simply superb. Does beg the question why so many singers can't sing live as well as they do in the studio. She (and they) are brilliant.
Like Metallica always have backing musicians hey Nick, for that 'fuller' sound? 😉
Predictable response. I thought you hated metallica!? 😀
S&M album - they had an orchestra of backing musicians 😉
It's quite bullshitty sometimes... Like, the Manics started touring with another dude hiding side of stage playing guitar, his job seemed to be to take over every time James couldn't be arsed playing a bit. Muse have a keyboard/programmer feller who at least gets to be on the stage but never gets any recognition and doesn't get to come out for band bows and that. Biffy Clyro have an extra biffy as well who is segregated by being forced to wear a shirt. It's not cool that...
Backing singers aren't uncommon but what I meant was why do they need an extra instrumentalist?
They should be able to replicate the studio sound with the usual set-up surely.
Not trying to come across as an sneering know it all arse but a mate of mine is a producer in a certain large London studio complex and i've sat in on various recording sessions and you'd be astounded by the amount of overdubs, session players, session guitarists and electronical wizardy needed for so many of the so called chart topping bands to complete their studio albums, many times it is not even the actual band members who lay down the finished tracks before it goes to mix-down/mastering - the entire commercial side of the music business is built on a false pretence and whilst it pays him and a few other mates a very-very good living at the end of the day they live, love and breath for bands/acts to record such as London Grammar and the other acts i have championed throughout this thread.
EDIT : Northwind - Many of the top session players are not interested in becoming [i]part[/i] of the band, in fact i'd go as far as saying they'd rather be kept out if it and much prefer the sidelines.
Anyway….I'm going back to play London Grammar from the beginning of their set….and then i may play it again……..
Kasabian chap in interview afterwards - what a monumental tosspot. Hopefully off his head rather than that being himself.
The worst thing about Metallica getting this kind of exposure is that people will think they're representative of metal.
[i]people will think [/i]
"People"? People who haven't heard Metallica before? People who haven't heard metal?
How odd!
Most metal fans around my age probably got into it by hearing the black album, so what's the problem with that? (I first really listened to metal when they opened the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert, same sort of deal)
Metallica have always been a good metal gateway drug.
Both and either.
It's the same in every genre though.
The worst thing about Dolly Parton getting this kind of exposure is that people will think she's representative of country.
The only solution is to get Manowar to headline next year.
DezB - MemberThe worst thing about Dolly Parton getting this kind of exposure is that people will think she's representative of country.
Yep that works.
The best thing is some people might get into country from enjoying her set. But they usually do it quietly.
You're on a different plane to me lifer!
Good that people listen to country/heavy metal/whatever? What does it matter what other people listen to?
I thought Dolly was just another Glastonbury novelty act anyway.
So were Metallica for that matter.
For the avoidance of doubt
Good:
"I don't usually listen to country, but enjoyed Dolly Parton and have started checking out other stuff"
Bad:
"Saw the Metallica coverage on BBC, all that metal's rubbish isn't it?"
My moan was from someone's comments at work this morning. My problem is writing off a whole genre based on one act. No genre can be summed up like that and it's always going to happen but still gets on my wick.
But Metallica specifically are and were awful. 😀 Couple of gooduns on Master of Puppets mind.
[i]My moan was from someone's comments at work this morning. My problem is writing off a whole genre based on one act. No genre can be summed up like that and it's always going to happen but still gets on my wick.[/i]
Ah, I get what you're saying and totally agree 😀
(although I've yet to hear any interesting metal since 1976 😉 )
I don't get the 'hate' for Metallica (and there is plenty of it about it seems), when did they become so divisive? And more bizarrely, when did metal fans turn into such metal snobs? 🙂
barkm - Membermore bizarrely, when did metal fans turn into such metal snobs?
August 12th 1991 I think 😆
TBH a lot of metal fans just like feeling like hard-living dangerous rebels on the edge of acceptable society, it's our inner spotty teenager, it's not cool when your dad sees Metallica on Jools Holland and quite likes it.
It's a bit like real ale. CAMRA fans don't like to remember that they started out drinking stella like everyone else, and the first time they drank beer brewed from heather, or snakeskin or some such nonsense, they thought it was rank.
You say Dolly is a step into Country? Granted she's good but she's no Billy Ray Cirus.
My disdain (hate is to strong) for Metallica comes from watching Somekind of Monster and reading interviews with Jason Newsted, really liked the first 4 albums after that it just went wrong.
Jack White. Rudimental. Lily Allen.
That is all.
Love the work on this thread 😆
Had to throw all the clothes from the year, literally just fit for the bin 🙂
So;
[u]Weather[/u]
If you wave a flag pole that is basically a long thin metal rid, and a security bloke comes to tell you that there's a thunder storm coming that will close the stages, yes it's a good idea to not wave it about any more you massive dick
[u]Music [/u]
First off none of the headliners were massively inspirational for me, I'm not a Metallica fan but they seemed to go down well, like most blokes they took themselves waaaay to serious. Kasabian were kasabian. Seen them before and I've never got the hype, dolly was fun in a sing along sort if way. Lilly was cool, elbow were cool ( went along with me dad) pixies rocked. Lana del ray wasn't off key (might be a telly thing) but she was v nervous bless her. Ellie Goulding was Pop queen love her stuff Mogwai were cool, Bombay Bicycle club did a good set, maniacs were shit as usual. Royal blood was good
There's more I think off I'm sure
Oh and to the drunk Scottish blokes "falling" onto tents? Not cool, tossers 😈
Bloomin hell...
I'm going to agree with Woppit ...
Rudimental were vgood
As were Royal Blood and Young Trouble.
And for what it is worth ... I think Arcade Fire and Kasabian should have swapped nights
I don't get the 'hate' for Metallica (and there is plenty of it about it seems), when did they become so divisive? And more bizarrely, when did metal fans turn into such metal snobs?
It's got nothing to do with metal fans being "snobs" and everything to do with the fact that Metallica have just stopped "trying". Their playing, their writing, their attitude all reeks of a band who are happy to live on past glories, and that is what annoys the majority of metal fans.
The metal world is full of bands who have stepped outside of their comfort zone; some more successful than others, but to label metal fans "snobs" just because of their hatred towards Metallica is very short-sighted.
I would say that the metal genre is one of the most diverse genres out there and the fans will accept a massive variety as long as it is done with integrity.
You say Dolly is a step into Country? Granted she's good but she's no Billy Ray Cirus.
She is, however, Miley Cyrus' godmother!
St. Vincent.
Just amazing. 😀
Loved Lily Allen and Elbow. The Horrors were pretty decent.
Glad Metallica went off a storm in the face of all the negativity in the media. A solid set and pretty tight, although I've never been a huge fan of James Hetfield's vocals live.
Arcade Fire were awful, IMO and although Kasabian & Kaiser Chiefs put the effort in, neither held my interest for long. Didn't watch much else.
Wish Richie Hawtin's set had been broadcast and System7 / Gong!
metal...fans will accept a massive variety as long as it is done with integrity
I bet most "metal" fans loved Rob P's "country and eastern" set. And probably Dolly's country and western.
To be honest, while I like Metallica and have listened since Master and Ride the Lightning, I was disappointed.
Like Pink Floyd, you might as well buy the studio album.
Where was the something different that you've never heard before? A new arrangement, a bizarre but brilliant cover? Metallica's take on Jolene or 9 to 5?
Mr Plant excelled at that which made his set absolutely fantastic. Something you'll probably never hear again (although he is on tour I think).
London Grammar set is very good indeed. Off to find Horrors now.
Mgmt, Metallica, skrillex, royal blood, and the many others that I've forgotten or don't know, you were bloody awesome. How I long to be back at the festival rather than work!
John peel stage as normal had better acts on it. Spent a long time there. Although didn't much like London Grammar. A bit over hyped?
I quite like London Grammar but I'd imagine they'd be better in a small cozy venue rather than a massive festival. Loved Ellie Goulding even though her music isn't my usual cup o tea. Her energy is infectious.
Pigface - Member
My disdain (hate is to strong) for Metallica comes from watching Somekind of Monster and reading interviews with Jason Newsted, really liked the first 4 albums after that it just went wrong.
I'd challenge anyone to watch that film and not conclude that James Hetfeld and particularly Lars Ulrich are a pair of absolutely monumental bell-ends, who think that shouting, while playing 3 chords really really fast (like a sort or Status Quo on meth) should somehow elevate them to the status of Gods. When in reality they're unknowingly staring in a really bad, poorly scripted, unfunny remake of Spinal Tap
They're definitely bellends. Hetfield seems more aware and comfortable with it. Though at the same time I don't think you can watch that film and not think they're trying. They're sucking, but they're trying.
They were ok in a "well lets see what all the fuss is about" sort if way as I literally have never heard any Metallica ever. To my ears it was just like every other metal band I've ever heard. Or is it the other way round and every other band sound just like them, I think they've been going since before I was born, right?
In lots of ways it was like the Rolling Stones last year in that the didn't seem to care about the specialness of Glastonbury, and I guess for them it probs isn't all that, so they come across as a bit "this is our act were just going through the numbers gimme my dollars"
They (like lots of bands of Middle Ages blokes) take themselves far far too serious. I mean you're prancing about on a stage in tight jeans and your my dads age? Please pass the sick bag
[i] Off to find Horrors now.[/i]
What is it that is supposed to be good about The Horrors? I've seen them live, I've heard recorded stuff and it's all so... mleh. The epitome of average.
Being 50 years old, what should Metallica have been wearing Emsz - comfy elasticated beige slacks 🙂 I actually thought they went a little OTT is telling the audience how great they thought it was to play "glasto".
Describing Hetfield and Ulrich as "bell ends" is not fair. In their defence - just to confirm that their new bass player was a genuine part of the band and not just some hired hand to stand at the back and get paid session rates (as if he wasn't STOKED enough already to have joined his favourite band), they told him they were putting a million dollars - A MILLION DOLLARS - into his bank account immediately as an act of good faith.
I can tell you I personally know of bands who've taken on new members and treated them like servants, even one or two who (in the '80's) were fond of espousing "socialist" principles on just about everything from Nelson Mandela to the price of chips...
I've just put Dolly on look again. Ed Sheerean did an acoustic song in the outside studio before she came on. Bloody hell that boy can sing. A talented individual.
I think the bigger acts who've never been to Glastonbury before have a attitude of " these crowds are here to see us" rather than in reality it's like they've come to us.. Does that even Make any sense! LoL
Scamper, sure wear what you want just don't be all offended if we take the piss and don't tell us to stick our hands ups if we "love to hear music". Your a 50 year old baldy bloke mate, you're nothing special.
That's beneath you.
Nothing in the world looks more preposterous than a bald man with his little remaining hair in a pony tail. Have some dignity, man.
Some of the best ever Glastonbury bits are never what you expect. Radiohead on the park stage a few years back, blur and the crowds singing tender back at Damon and he was in bits on stage
It's never about the bands it's about the moments that are shared with them, and its hard to do. Metallica were good, but not special
emsz - MemberIn lots of ways it was like the Rolling Stones last year in that the didn't seem to care about the specialness of Glastonbury,
I think if you've played a show to 1.5 million crazy russians, or decided to create your own UK festival because the one you were going to play was cancelled, you're probably less wowed by Glastonbury than Ed Sheerin and Lauren Laverne are.
Last rambling bit of nonsense I promise ( I HAVE to sleep) the bands that come to Glastonbury and give their music to the crowd and let the crowd in are the best ones the ones that say "here's my stuff, please enjoy it with me" and sometimes the likes of Jay Zee and Dolly can do it ironically like they're in on the joke. But some bands come and just don't understand the vibe of the place
Northwind, I guess.
Apparently, Ulrich had been there since Friday and said he was determined to be the last out on Monday because he wanted to soak up the "vibe".
I guess though, doing the same set over and over for the major acts - it would be difficult to avoid it coming over as well rehearsed and slick, maybe even facile.
I thought this about the grotesque Parton woman. If only from a distance through my TV.
I mean you're prancing about on a stage in tight jeans and your my dads age? Please pass the sick bag
😆
Being 50 years old, what should Metallica have been wearing Emsz - comfy elasticated beige slacks
No tight jeans.
Your a 50 year old baldy bloke mate, you're nothing special.
Every dog has it's day...
Woof woof.
Something I've picked up on from bits of the BBC footage is that US acts probably shouldn't speak to the crowd between songs beyond basic civilities. Even St Vincent fell flat trying to engage with the audience.
Paralleling Sabbath with Metallica indicates a lack of understanding of both bands and why they are important in contemporary music. Metallica playing at the festival is a turn-up really and I hope there continues to be better representation of heavy rock styles in future. Mastodon anyone? I wish.
Cyanide sounds great to me but probably a bit to prog for many!
The trains home tonight from c London has a somewhat countryside perfume! Wet wipes only get you so far - but boots look less muddy than expected! 😉
It's never about the bands it's about the moments that are shared with them, and its hard to do.
This.
Pulp, the year they stood in for the Stone Roses were like that, crowd in the palms of their hands. And the best moment (for odd reasons granted) was REM doing everybody hurts, the year my wife's dad died. Just as the sun was going down, with a low mist of mist and Glastonbury cigarettes hanging over the bowl in front of the pyramid......was breathtaking.
I like it went people insist on playing when they're getting on. The whole “music is for young people” angle is tiresome. And yes, old people rarely look as good, might not have the fashion sense (or rather they might have the sense to ignore fashion), but if they can play/sing… bring it on! If they happen to have The Black Album or Led Zep 123 in their arsenal of songs… even better.
Are we doing our favourite Glastonbury moments then?
The Cure headlining the Saturday night. Amazing! They went through the full repertoire, and had to be literally dragged off stage with the place going mental! They opened the set with A Forest. Every time I hear it now, it transports me back, and the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Bliss!
Doves playing the Cedar Room on Saturday afternoon in glorious sunshine
Or Orbital. Surely the perfect Glastonbury band! Saturday night other stage mentalness!!!
The Cure headline set was 24 years ago!!! 😯 dear god, I'm old!
Best bit...well from what little I saw on TV, it has to be Lizzo at the BBC studio singing Batches & Cookies just after Kasabian finished 😀
I like it went people insist on playing when they're getting on. The whole “music is for young people” angle is tiresome. And yes, old people rarely look as good, might not have the fashion sense (or rather they might have the sense to ignore fashion), but if they can play/sing… bring it on!
Spot on!
Seasick Steve always pulls off the "old guy, but immensely cool" trick.
Highlights of the weekend: Guy Pratt's bass-ing for Bryan Ferry. A real master at work. Chvrches were predictably excellent. Oh, and Ellie Goulding's sheer energy; Burn was a brilliant closer and a real crowd-pleaser. Never enjoyed Metallica, didn't like them at Glastonbury
Off to TITP in a week or so, and many of the same bands are on - will be avoiding Drenge, Haim, Manics (pity, but the set they played at Glastonbury was rubbish). Just hoping that Human League aren't a letdown.
Loved the Kasabian set. Particularly Tom's full embrace of the "can't sing for toffee, will overcompensate with swagger" school of rock.
Lalalalallalalalalalalalalalala etc etc