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Junkyard

I did point out that it was [b]my[/b] opinion and experience. As far as facts and figures go, I'm quite certain that if I had the time or inclination I could just as easily be an internet expert and obtain the proof you require in support my posts. I am not, however, a Conservative (or Labour) spin doctor and have no real interest in party politics for the very reason this thread exists ie. lots of hot air and polarised opinions which ultimately achieve ...k all.

BTW - intellectual has only one 'l' on the end which is rather amusing in its context. In addition, is it really 'PC' to use the diminutive stature of certain groups of people in such pejorative manner. Surely SM warrants at least a 'pygmoid' rating?

Was it not Labour's fault that they had a free hand in helping wreck the economy? Did they not bend over backwards to accommodate these banks too?

Of course, the Tories (and the City) would have wholeheartedly supported any Labour plans for greater regulation of the financial sector, wouldn't they??

As they would have poured scorn on any foreign military adventurism??

and they wouldn't have cosied up to W, would they??

Lets face it - For most of 1997 - 2010 the Tory party did little in the way of effective opposition, mainly because TB's brand of "socialism" was not that far removed from what went before

Thatcher was a disaster - if only we could have returned to the good old 1970's!?

really TSY? try some stats [url= http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Milton+Keynes+Bovine+plastination&word2=Swindon+Bovine+plastination ]IN YOUR FACE![/url]

edit: shit, first time I did it Swindon won with 1 result, now MKscum seems to have fabricated 38 results!?! you can keep yr concrete cows, we've got chalk horses!

mat it is tax per % of GDP 🙄
I may have misuderestimated you calling you an intelectual pygmy

MK 39 - Swindon 1

Whoops, hollers, does donut round another round-about.

rkk - I'm not some die hard Tory boy (I didn't vote for them) but I am also under no illusion that Labour were much good either. The "good" they did was just artificially propped up and now the ConDems are having to clear it up.

I suspect you are correct - any government may have done similar. But it was Labour that did it so they can carry the can.

damo - you look at it again - the gap between the UK and the other countries grew. Growth rates were lower. Indisputable.

That graph looks to me like actual GDP as opposed to real GDP so don't mean much. [url= http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=ny_gdp_mktp_kd_zg&idim=country:GBR&dl=en&hl=en&q=gdp+growth+uk#met=ny_gdp_mktp_kd_zg&idim=country:GBR:DEU:ITA:FRA ]Here's real GDP growth[/url], and if you can draw any meaningful conclusions from that apart from the fact that Germany does much better than us you're doing very well.

😆 @ Junkyard

I'm assuming that was intentional 😉

may have [b]misuderestimated[/b] you calling you an [b]intelectual[/b] pygmy

Posting those daft 'failboat has grounded' etc pictures is if course a great indicator of intellectual pigmyism. Mat, surely you can flex your rad PR skillz to come up with something more witty or subtle than that?

mat it was intentional for woody and irony - cant beleive it went over your head given how sharp you are. However, the first misspelling was unintentional and does have an amount of irony that does add to the value of the quote IMHO.

Mat he posted this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

You mentioned hidden taxes again and then , when stating you could read asked where the mention of GDP was.
YOu need to develop some humour here mat you really do.
Your fail is much larger than mine which is only an added letter rather than an inability to think and read

Junkyard - I didn't read the link as it was a Wiki one so I don't believe it. Did Google %age GDP and figures vary wildly.

You mention me taking things too seriously; now try reading your posts again and tell me how much humour is involved? Borrowed lines don't count - that's not your own wit.

how about a probably photoshopped picture of Dubya biting a kitten/tiny big cat?
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did labour overspend? yes

did the opposition at the time want them to spend more? yes

did labour under-regulate the financial industry? yes

did the opposition want even less regulation? yes

do any of them actually give a shit about it? no

Borrowed lines don't count - that's not your own wit

Reasonable points iDave

Labour did not overspend - they undertaxed

The problem with 'opposition' is that all it usually entails is disagreeing with the party(ies) in power unless it would be a PR disaster not to agree (dangerous dogs/knife crime etc).

they spent more than tax revenue suggested was prudent = overspending

does someone in debt overspend or just not earn enough?

The problem with 'opposition' is that all it usually entails is disagreeing with the party(ies) in power unless it would be a PR disaster not to agree (dangerous dogs/knife crime etc).

Quite right.

But, all parties try to re-write history when they come to power. The re-packaging of the previous regime's legacy has more credibility if you vociferously opposed what they were doing at the time.

The Tories opposed Labour stealth taxes, but promoted more, not less, business regulation 🙄

At every turn, CMD, George / Gideon and all the other condem cabinet members are including a line on Labour getting us into this mess...

It's all rather disingenuous

Is she dead yet?

tis true on ones side we have Tories suggesting taht all the economic issues facing us today are a result of the labour government rather than market forces - it is nice to see right wing people saying the banks should have been regulated more. You can only judge labour on their reaction for which even the right wing press has praised Brown for his leadership on economic matters with the G20 - quantitive easing and public spending.
Likewise the current Govt must do something re the defecit that much is true. However the speed and depth is a choice they have made . Likewise we should judge them on how well they handle this rathert than criticise them for doing it. My view is that reducing spending now at this rate [increasing unemeployment and reduce tax returns - putting the burnden disproportionately ont he poor rather than the rich via taxation] is more than likely to cause a double dip recession. I would criticise them for that. Likewise we should be a bit more fair re the economic crisis that cuased this situation it was not SOLELY the labour governemnts fault.

TandemJeremy - Member
Labour did not overspend - they undertaxed

Labour enlarged the public sector to 'create jobs'.

Will Gordon Brown retire at 66?

Your fail is much larger than mine

😀 classic stw

Can anyone think of a policy or action of [s]her[/s] [b]ANY[/b] government's that was actually a good idea and did the country some good? I'm certainly struggling.

FTFY HTH

Is she dead yet?

I let her star in a w*nk this morning in honour of this thread... she turned out to be a most invigorating filly... even in her reduced condition..

TandemJeremy - Member
Labour did not overspend - they undertaxed

Priceless, absolutely priceless 😆

let her star in a w*nk this morning in honour of this thread... she turned out to be a most invigorating filly... even in her reduced condition..

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yunki - Member

Can anyone think of a policy or action of [s]her[/s] ANY government's that was actually a good idea and did the country some good? I'm certainly struggling.

FTFY HTH

Devolution for Scotland. Incorporation of the human rights act into UK law. Putting more money into the NHS and education. Even creating the NHS.

All the pies - I would rather have higher taxation like many other countries and higher standards of services.

Can anyone think of a policy or action of her ANY government's that was actually a good idea and did the country some good? I'm certainly struggling.

The NHS Act 1946
etc.

We've done it before & come to the conclusion that the Tories never introduced any of them

EDIT: Here
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/what-great-things-have-labour-and-the-conservatives-done-for-us

Likewise we should be a bit more fair re the economic crisis that cuased this situation it was not SOLELY the labour governemnts fault.

True, but Brown was very lazy and rode the ridiculous spending boom, both personal and state which much of the Western world went through and had the arrogance to claim the economic situation we were in was down to his safe pair of hands on the economic tiller (No more boom and bust?). He might have reacted after the crash but a really good fiscal manager would have seen it coming, it was pretty obvious you can't keep borrowing and spending for ever. Not that I have any faith that any other party would have been any more prudent.

I would rather have higher taxation like many other countries and higher standards of services.

I wouldn't be adverse to that but from my personal experience (and lets face it that's the stand point most of us base our views on) all we generally see is more spending and rarely and significant improvements in services. If anything the Labour government convinced me it wasn't all about the amount of money spent but how it was spent. It's relatively easy in gorwth times to pump extra cash into services, it's always way more difficult to make the more efficient and focused. In fact every time you do theres usually some self interest group that for idealogical of other reasons don't want to see any change. Often the unions defending their members jobs (which is obviously what they're at least in part there to do) without necessarily considering that we may not need all these people doing those particular jobs.

tis true on ones side we have Tories suggesting taht all the economic issues facing us today are a result of the labour government rather than market forces...

Likewise we should be a bit more fair re the economic crisis that cuased this situation it was not SOLELY the labour governemnts fault.

That works both ways though doesn't it Junky - in that by the same token, the Labour government's good financial years in the boom of the late nineties was largely down to [i]market forces[/i] and that instead of recognising that fact and ferreting some money away for a rainy day, they pissed it up the wall like an alcoholic with a redundancy payout, all the time telling us how they had 'eliminated boom and bust'

Personally I thought they spent it rebuilding the decimated public services but I agree saying you have ended boom and bust - an integral part of capitalism - even your unregulated utopian vision of the free market solving all ills- was foolish grandstanding that did bite him on the bum to put it mildly.
Market forces did indeed both cause the boom and the bust... have a gold star for noticing the economy is indeed a capitalist one.

So, looks like this thread has run it's course, as it's just becoming repetitious now. Pretty pathetic defence of Her Maggiesty, from some, against the [b]truth[/b] that she is an evil self-serving **** who deserves nothing but the contempt of any decent Human Being. I don't care what any sanctimoinious hypocritical right-w(h)inger says; I'll be ****ing celebrating like a [i]bastard[/i] when she does the World a favour, and makes her way Down Below.

Good effort though; over 500 posts in under 24 hours I think. Phenomenal. A new STW record?

And it has spawned the phrase [b]'Mollycoddled titty-fed ****s'[/b]. This can only be a Good Thing. 🙂

When will we have a Politician who actually has BALLS? Can take on his own party, the opposition, Europe and other countries?

Hora - Blair? Sounds pretty much what he did

you mean like hitler mark? Poor troll fella

Hora - Brown and the use of quantitive easing?

When will we have a Politician who actually has BALLS?

When will we have a politician who actually gives a shit about the people they are suposed to represent, rather than appearing clever on TV, making a name for themselves as a 'celebrity' and securing book deals and after-dinner speaking gigs for when they retire leaving behind them a whole pile of shit for someone else to sort out?

Bollocks to this 'standing up to Europe' crap, to appeal to politically ignorant Little Englanders concerned with little else but their own comfort; how about someone with the balls to stand up to greedy rampant capitalists with nothing more than short-term gain on their selfish agendae?

Thatcher argued and got our rebate from Europe. Looks whats ****ing happening since.

At least Thatcher had some integrity I suppose, unlike that trouser snake Clegg.

And did what with it, Hora? And did what with it?

If you're going to come up with crap like that, at least bother to research it properly. Or do you enjoy looking stupid?

Where's my ****ing £60?

At least Thatcher [b]had[/b] some integrity I suppose

Does that mean she's dead now?