[Closed] general election debate

chewkw - Member

Are some of you lot trying to convince yourselves not to vote UKIP?

Well I had already decided not to vote UKIP but if there was ever a moment of doubt your posts have certainly helped me to overcome them.

😆

ernie_lynch - Member

chewkw - Member
Are some of you lot trying to convince yourselves not to vote UKIP?

Well I had already decided not to vote UKIP but if there was ever a moment of doubt your posts have certainly helped me to overcome them.

I feel the same way too with Labour if that helps. 😆

Bear in mind I once voted for mighty Blair then mighty Cameron but mighty Milliband or Mighty Balls? Ya, right. 🙄

Are some of you lot trying to convince yourselves not to vote UKIP?

I mean you are so afraid that you will accidentally tick the UKIP box that you have to keep convincing yourselves at every opportunity?

Watch out your hand might be so uncontrollable you might tick the UKIP box.

I think the fascination with UKIP from the sane and rational in society is the incredulity that anyone is stupid enough to consider voting for them. The frustrating thing is that when you meet a UKIP voter (actually quite hard to do as most at least have the wit to be a bit embarrassed about it and keep it to themselves) they are so ignorant and incapable of thoughtful debate that it's a lost cause trying to change their minds or even at the very least get them to explain their decision with a sentence that doesn't start "I'm not a racist but...".

My father in law is threatening to vote UKIP- it's a family shame I'm currently not willing to talk about.

I cannot be be alone in openly admitting I would vote for Mighty Balls, can I?

[quote=convert said]

My father in law is threatening to vote UKIP- it's a family shame I'm currently not willing to talk about.

Is he ignorant and incapable of thoughtful debate ?

What bit of [i]"I'm currently not willing to talk about"[/i] don't you understand ?

[quote=ernie_lynch said]What bit of "I'm currently not willing to talk about" don't you understand ?

Well considering as he brought the subject up on an internet forum then he's not exactly hiding it away. But thanks for patronising me 🙂

What bit of "I'm currently not willing to talk about" don't you understand ?

thanks, it's painful... but, last word on the subject....

Is he ignorant and incapable of thoughtful debate?

He's a mouth breather. I am struggling to think of anyone I know who more neatly defines the mental faculties required to consider a UKIP vote. The thought that his genes are lurking inside my wife makes me shudder (not just political views, but general aptitude for being a human).

See 🙂

convert - Member
I think the fascination with UKIP from the sane and rational in society is the incredulity that anyone is stupid enough to consider voting for them.

Have you voted for Tory before? 🙂

Have you voted for Tory before?

How very dare you 👿

My point was, the figure of 70% was made up!

No your point was that the last labour govt was at fault for the current debt and deficit through their irresponsible and reckless spending. I was trying to point out that this statement is as much a work of fiction as plucking a random figure out the air and pretending it's the truth. We can all play this game. In fact I often wonder that given the tories transparent tactic of repeating lies ad infinitum that labour should take a leaf out their book. Trouble is the labour party don't have 80% of the media willing to peddle their lies so they're probably better off sticking to the higher moral ground.

convert - Member

Have you voted for Tory before?

How very dare you

😆 My bad (Merica style expression there).

You see the way I view the voting pattern is something like this.

When you were young (assuming you are) you tend to vote for party to the left but as you grow older you start to vote for party to the right or so I assume.

Does that mean all people when they got older will eventually be fascists? 😛

"I think the fascination with UKIP from the sane and rational in society is the incredulity that anyone is stupid enough to consider voting for them".

Have you voted for Tory before?

Chewwy I find your ability to express random thought, irrational conclusions, and incoherent logic, fascinating. Promise me that you'll never stop voting UKIP, for the full package.

ernie_lynch - Member

"I think the fascination with UKIP from the sane and rational in society is the incredulity that anyone is stupid enough to consider voting for them".
Have you voted for Tory before?

Chewwy I find your ability to express random thought, irrational conclusions, and incoherent logic, fascinating. Promise me that you'll never stop voting UKIP, for the full package.

😆 C'mon, have a laugh vote UKIP. I think some of you are really too up tight by voting for one same party throughout your life. That's boring.

[quote=chewkw ]C'mon, have a laugh vote UKIP. I think some of you are really too up tight by voting for one same party throughout your life. That's boring.

Don't worry, I've found a different party I've never voted for before, which has some policies which aren't quite as irrational as UKIP's.

Well that really narrows it down

aracer - Member

chewkw » C'mon, have a laugh vote UKIP. I think some of you are really too up tight by voting for one same party throughout your life. That's boring.

Don't worry, I've found a different party I've never voted for before, which has some policies which aren't quite as irrational as UKIP's.

Who are you voting for? Green?
Been there done that.
Next!

I used to share a house with anarchists (he used to join the riot), socialists (delivering leaflet), communists (former rebel), idealists(bloody physicists always drunk and stoned off their heads), hippies (stoned and love), Tory hurray Henry type (slightly uptight), Labour miner working class (always curse the bloody southerners), BNP type (I think he was - tattoo with bulldog and British flag but alright), minority, gay (fashion designers) , religious fanatic (ya, I was hoping for love cult but he was not) and all sort of weirdos ... by the look of things you lot are light weight. Funny thing is that I got on with them well.

😆

Come on Chewkw they were all the same person weren't they. 😀

gordimhor - Member
Come on Chewkw they were all [s]the same person[/s] you weren't they.

Despite the fact that the libdems are rightly being dismissed and ignored this election. [url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/05/after-election-lib-dems-turn-left-right ]This is an interesting article[/url]. I'd taken it as read that they'd be propping up the tories and still believe they will but if not then it's looking increasingly unlikely that the tories will be in power after the election.

gordimhor - Member
Come on Chewkw they were all the same person weren't they.

No they were not the same person and they hated each others guts wonder why. Really. 😆

scotroutes - Member

gordimhor - Member
Come on Chewkw they were all [s]the same person[/s] you weren't they.

FTFY

Nope. I am nothing like them as I am me. 😆

as I am me.

Sure you are Walter 😉

I used to share a house with anarchists (he used to join the riot), socialists (delivering leaflet), communists (former rebel), idealists(bloody physicists always drunk and stoned off their heads), hippies (stoned and love), Tory hurray Henry type (slightly uptight), Labour miner working class (always curse the bloody southerners), BNP type (I think he was - tattoo with bulldog and British flag but alright), minority, gay (fashion designers) , religious fanatic (ya, I was hoping for love cult but he was not)

How many bedrooms did this remarkable house have ?

And did any of the inhabitants look like this ?

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convert - Member

as I am me.

Sure you are Walter

One of my housemate was into some sort of cult but somehow I sensed that he did not want to recruit me ... hmmm ... am I a lost cause? I mean I happily sat with him and his cult recruiter for dinner sometimes. 😆

ernie_lynch - Member
How many bedrooms did this remarkable house have ?

Not all of them in the same house at any one time. The largest house I was in came with seven rooms. The rest around four rooms to five rooms.

And did any of the inhabitants look like this ?

Yes, something like that.

A predators real skill is selecting the right victim.

This constituency based map gives a more realistic picture. Pattern looks to be dye'ed in the wool Shires and apart from North of the wall and the iron islands, Lannister support waines-off in urban areas, even Kings Landing. Cant see the lib dems lasting in wilding territory especially now White Walkers are on the move.

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especially now White Walkers are on the move.

It's looking very tight at the moment and re. the Libdems - it would amuse me massively if, despite getting fewer seats this time around as they assuredly will, they still held the balance of power. I would roll on the floor howling with laughter if they chose to throw their lot in with Labour, just for a change.

I would roll on the floor howling with laughter if they chose to throw their lot in with Labour, just for a change.

Why would that be funny ?

And there you go again jambalaya, pretending that government austerity means something different to what it actually means. It does of course mean cutting public expenditure,

That's really interesting, thanks Ernie

just for the sake of argument, could you tell us how much annual public expenditure has been cut since the last election?

Public sector current expenditure or total managed expenditure*, whichever you fancy...

You can even express it nominally or real terms, I'm happy with either 😀

[i]"Total Managed Expenditure (TME), describes all forms of expenditure made by central government, local authorities and public enterprises. This includes in particular spending on social services and benefits, health provision, transport, education, defence, debt interest, housing, judicial and protective services and employment."[/i]

could you tell us how much annual public expenditure has been cut since the last election?

I am not sure WTF the point is you are trying to make nor do I know why but its not really possible to argue* we are are in anything other than a period of reduced spending and increased frugality.

* clearly its possible but its not credible.

That's really interesting, thanks Ernie

No worries 8)

Why would that be funny ?

If the Lib Dems had the chance to do a deal with Labour then I'm sure the would - they'd do anything for a few ministerial cars. If they do get a chance to make an impact it's likely to be as the 3rd party in a deal though, as they're unlikely to have enough seats to make a deal by themselves.

Because it would demonstrate how the electoral system which has in recent years favoured two party politics could be "steered" by a relatively small party.

And that would make you "[i]roll on the floor howling with laughter[/i]" ?

And that would make you "roll on the floor howling with laughter" ?

Maybe he's easily amused?

ernie_lynch - Member

Because it would demonstrate how the electoral system which has in recent years favoured two party politics could be "steered" by a relatively small party.

And that would make you "roll on the floor howling with laughter"

I would.

Now please bow down to the small parties ... 😆

Oh look a spot on my shoe ... you know what to do. 😛

And that would make you "roll on the floor howling with laughter" ?

two party politics could be "steered" by a relatively small party.

And this is a bad thing? Plenty of evidence from around the globe as to how multi party coalitions make for popular governance. Without being able to run history twice we'll never know the true extent of their influence but whilst I'd never choose to have a conservative government, I think the recent lib dem moderated version was more palatable to the majority of the UK population than it could have been in power on its own.

Now if only we could get to the point where labour + conservative get fewer than 2/3rds of the seats a coalition of all the others could get in.

Doubtful. There are very few examples of minority coalitions taking power, let alone minorities with sub 40% of the seats with the 2 largest parties out of office.

And this is a bad thing?

slowoldman - Member

And this is a bad thing?

No, I was suggesting it was.

Huston we have a problem. Small parties in control. 😆

Corrected "No, I wasn't suggesting it was".

ernie_lynch - Member
Gotcha.

You must have been proud, Ernie 😉

I thought you were blaming the last Labour government for increases in government spending!

Not sure if anyone is blaming, but let's look...

Under labour public spending rose by 4.4% pa on average versus 0.7% under the Tories before them

As you would expect, labour spent more in NHS and education, and transport, and wait for it defence that the Tories before them (another one of those oddities)

True total public spending did increase as a percentage of national income, from <40% when labour won power to 48% one of the highest levels among developed countries

Not sure if anyone is blaming

You're not keeping up THM. We have already established that the Tories in opposition fully supported the last Labour government's spending levels.

Since you might have missed it here it is again :

[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562023/Tories-vow-to-match-Labour-spending.html ]Tories vow to match Labour spending[/url]

[b][i]The Conservatives sought last night to destroy Labour claims that they would cut public services by issuing a formal pledge to match Gordon Brown’s spending plans.

“Today, I can confirm for the first time that a Conservative government will adopt these spending totals,” the Shadow Chancellor said.

“The charge from our opponents that we will cut services becomes transparently false,” he said. [/b][/i]

It's there in black and white in the Daily Telegraph.

So you see there is no question of Tories "blaming" Labour.

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ernie_lynch - Member
Gotcha.

You must have been proud, Ernie

Well he initially didn't make it clear that he wasn't blaming Labour for increased spending, but when he said, quote : [i][b]"If GDP shrinks, government spending as a ration of GDP will obviously rise"[/b][/i]
I understood what he was saying. Am I proud of eventually understanding what he meant ? No, not really, any particular reason why I would be ?