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I can’t believe that they can get close to wrapping up all the lose ends in one episode
....unless everyone dies.
Therefore, I believe that there are going to be a lot of very disenchanted GOT fans walking around next week.
Even more than there are now?
Whose character arcs are likely to wrap up rather than be ignored?
I have a feeling that some definitely will (Dany, John, Arya, Sansa, Tyrion) , whilst others we may have already seen drift out of the story (Theon's sister, Brienne, Tormund, the whole of Sunspear).
Others may, or may not have a big part still left to play, but who knows (Bronn, Bran, Gendry).
I have a feeling Bronn will be back to some degree as a person who has played the 'game' to perfection.
I'm just happy D&D aren't involved in the prequels. As it's been leaked I already know some of the main things in the final episode, I'll be watching it but I'm pretty sure it will be generally disappointed - certainly not happy with who ends up on the throne!
Therefore, I believe that there are going to be a lot of very disenchanted GOT fans walking around next week.
Even more than there are now?
Yep....considerably more I reckon. All those characters you want to see probably won’t even feature.
That’s that then
Until the spin offs.....
Time for bed now!
Well, that was satisfactory.
Called it
Surely Bran can just tell Ayra whats to the west!
About 50% of that was ok, and the other half was just mediocre.
Well imagine being buzzed for 2 years for the final season to end with that. 😂
That was just terrible.
That was just terrible.
How would you have done it?
I thought it was great
I thought it was great
Me too.
Turns out chaos isn't a ladder. It's a wheelchair ramp.
Iron Bank turn up.
The entirety of the Seven Kingdoms gets repossessed by the lenders.
That chap from League of Gentlemen takes the throne on behalf of the bank.
How would you have done it?
Well I'm not a writer so badly but the people who wrote it are, it was terrible.
As much as I've criticised s8 I don't think the ending was too bad after all, as a whole though I still think s8 was badly done - especially the Night King.
I'll never understand why the something that existed for eight thousand years, the mere mention of which terrified people, only managed to last a few days after going south of the fall and between him and his army only killed a handful of major characters, most of whom had reached dead ends in their arcs anyway. Totally OK with Arya offing him, just not in Winterfell,on day 1 of the battle.
If D&D were constrained by HBO on the season duration and ended up having to basically ditch the whole Night King arc as quickly as possible in order to give a barely adequate amount of time to finish the Dany/Jon/Throne arcs then fair enough I guess. If they wrote it how they wanted to do and that's the best they could do then I'm just thankful they're not involved in the prequels. Star Wars has already been ruined so not much more harm they can do there.
It was lame. The only way it could have been lamer was if they cast Tom Hanks, with a cameo by Billy Joel.
I've watched all 8 seasons over the last few weeks, so I didn't have any big expectations after a long wait for season 8 or anything, and I thought the final episode was great. It worked well, made sense, had me being emotional about it all and seemed in keeping with the tale.
I'd stubbornly refused to watch it at all for years, but I'm glad I did now as I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Good ending I thought, everything tied up nicely.
Only [minor] criticism I’d have is that S8 seems to have been a bit rushed compared to previous series.
I enjoyed it, it was Sad/Happy.
We got very close to a sickly US ending.
I suppose after all that came before, it ended very quickly and sort of quietly.
Nice to see Bron back.
And I got grief a few pages back for suggesting there might be some form of democratic vote!
All things considered, I'm pretty happy with that episode, and the season as a whole. Some stunning visuals, especially the long night and all the scenes in the ash the last couple of episodes.
The writing definitely went downhill a bit, with how much of it was due to being rushed and how much down to the lack of source material we won't know. I didn't see Bran becoming king though, and can't think of any hints that he was planning it, did it come out of nowhere?
All things considered, I’m pretty happy with that episode, and the season as a whole. Some stunning visuals, especially the long night and all the scenes in the ash the last couple of episodes.
Yup the lighting on some scenes of the final episode was superb.
I thought the first half was great with Tyrion finding his brother, second half was a bit......Lord of the rings. Was glad John Snows was redeemed by giving Ghost a pat, made me like him again. Shame the ginger monster didnt get a final comedy line!
No but Tyerion did get a good comedy line.
Dragons have more brains than I gave them credit for, whose ever seen a Dragon make such a political statement before?
My alternative ending would have Dany sitting naked on the iron throne as John arrived, maybe thats just me.
Put it this way.... I'm glad I don't pay for Sky or Now TV and watched it in work time.....
I reckon it was fine. Never going to be easy to tie up something like this, just look at the Dexter finale!
Dragons have more brains than I gave them credit for, whose ever seen a Dragon make such a political statement before?
Have you not seen How to Train Your Dragon?
I thought the first half was great with Tyrion finding his brother
They very considerately managed to get themselves buried right at the top of that massive pile of rubble. Who would have thought all that stonework would flow right round them and not just squash them flat on the floor.
GoT has never been about the big blockbuster battles, it’s the plotting and intrigue. We didn’t even see any of Robb Starks fights.
For me, the growing popularity in recent seasons pushed them towards big populist battles.
We needed to see more of the setup to the final battle, and post “Queenslayer” what happened to set up the Kingsmeet.
The last small council meeting was a bit slapstick rather than the dark humour & politicking we all love.
Overall I still loved it though. I was hoping for a hint of something “beyond the wall” in the final scene.
The gap in time in the middle was clever. Really saved them some time. I don’t think I saw anyone guess Bran.
Lots of unsatisfactory bits throughout the season, so now I hope we get the books.
Yeah I think it was about as good as it could have been, all things considered. I didn’t see. Jon killing Dany like that and that led to him losing his obvious route to the throne.
Overall I think I’d give it 9/10 for wrapping it up well. Would have expected Jon to take out Greyworm as well ....never mind!
Och well, I didn't mind that much. It was fine.
Didn't feel like Sansa came away with much, other than a big draughty castle in which to dwell on all that grief and trauma.
OR
She's finally secured freedom and safety for her people and herself, no longer having to worry about being under the control of some arsehole or other.
Odds on the other six Kingdoms seceding within a year or two? Don't see Bran caring much.
Finally, am I being a bit thick, or was it not 100% clear if John was heading off to join the wildlings, or just chumming Tormund back home, intending to Uber-it back to Castle Black later?
I'm going to have to mull this over a bit but at the moment... underwhelmed. I'd Jon down as dying soon as he killed Danny. Purpose fulfilled after being brought back by the lord of light. And a Tyrion as targayrean reveal. All too cosy and tidy, not quite duplicitous enough. No twist. No Arya action either after the pale rider/ white horse deal last episode.
I liked it!
Meh .
Still bitterly disappointed that it didn't end up with the Hound sitting on the throne, eating chicken, with his feet on Cerseis and Danaerys decapitated heads - followed by some dry darkly witty comment or and then a cut to the quote "The sick in soul insist that it is humanity that is sick, and they are the surgeons to operate on it. They want to turn the world into a sickroom. And once they get humanity strapped to the operating table, they operate on it with an ax".....maybe even get the Hound to say it with a wry grin..followed by the credits.
That would have been ****ing hilarious in a grim we're all doomed/no hope kind of way.
So has winter passed now? Didn’t seem too grim up north (they seemed to want us to see the grass coming through?) and the south seemed balmy again
Yes as Arya killed Jack Frost the other week things started to warm up a bit.
I've taken on board everything that has been thrown at me ..and enjoyed it all ..but that ending was weak.
John Snow shouldn't be alive ..either the Dragon should have made him toast or the unsullied should / would have killed him immediately and not taken him prisoner once they realised what he had done ..
It might be years from fruition but I do think it's left the door open for more to come ...
I enjoyed it for what it was and they tied everything up as best they could with the time constraints. I thought the best scene was Tyrion and Jon, it felt more like it used to be with Tyrion plotting against Dany but Jon knowing he was right.
Game Over
What a weak and disappointing ending.
All that - for two mediocre characters to get the top seats ... I think they really were in a rush to finish. It felt like completely different writers were brought into to wrap things up.
4/10 ending
It might be years from fruition but I do think it’s left the door open for more to come …
Agreed, I know there’s a prequel planned - but there’s ample scope for a sequel.
I really enjoyed the ending, one thing about GoT I always liked was they never tried to make out that the ‘man on the street’ in Westeros gave much of a shit about who was on the throne or who was fighting for it unless they were in the firing line. The ending was good for me because even after all those years of fighting, scheming and triple crossing that went on (which had been going on for centuries before) really not much had changed for the people, they’re still ruled by the most effective bloodthirsty killer, or at least their offspring in the area.
If Arya does find land west of Westeros will she name it Westereros?
Westesteros shirley?
I think Bran was a good choice, as Tyrion said he knows of all the history of the 7 kingdoms and will therefore be less likely to repeat any mistakes.
Sansa declaring Wintexit was unexpected too, but she was just pissed she didn't get the top job.
Very underwhelmed by that, what i loved about the GoT was the dialogue heavy intrigue and back- stabbing, when the big action set pieces came then they were great, but it was about the characters.
This series needed to have been about 10 episodes with more actual story and plotting and not just "lets blow all the budget on dragons and get this series done and dusted".
I thought it was a great way to finish, a solid 8/10 .
For me, it has been an 8 yr viewing investment in an epic series that has rarely disappointed.
The Wire is probably the only other thing to come close, in a sit down and watch it all again type of way.
Superb.
If Arya does find land west of Westeros will she name it Westereros?
Surely GoT is a globe so she'll find Essos? or is Ayra a flat earther going to find the edge.
Yes as Arya killed Jack Frost the other week things started to warm up a bit.
I did find this odd, winter has been coming for ages, it started snowing when Jamie left KL to fight for the living but then is now warm again. The first series had lots of mentions about winters coming, I assume not everyone one of them was bought on by the NK though!
Very underwhelmed by that, what i loved about the GoT was the dialogue heavy intrigue and back- stabbing, when the big action set pieces came then they were great, but it was about the characters.
This series needed to have been about 10 episodes with more actual story and plotting and not just “lets blow all the budget on dragons and get this series done and dusted”.
Yes.
I thought it was a great way to finish, a solid 8/10 .
For me, it has been an 8 yr viewing investment in an epic series that has rarely disappointed....
Superb.
No.
Imagine something that is whelmed. I'm under that in the sense that the bottom of the Marianas Trench is under the orbit of the International Space Station.
On a serious note, I didn't get why Jon didn't challenge Danaerys about Cersei using innocents as a weapon, as they clearly were not accidental collateral damage. Unless he accepted the story just to stab her.
And how did they know Jon had stabbed her, did the daft bugger admit it? 😆
They did a better job of wrapping it up than I thought given the rest of season 8.
It was nothing like as bad as LOST but nonetheless, a disappointing last two seasons for such a brilliant show.
I hope someone does one of those 're-edits' like that dude (Agent9) did with Prometheus to fix the issues.
And how did they know Jon had stabbed her, did the daft bugger admit it?
Grey Worm: Your Grace, I've murdere....Holy Shit! What happened to the chair? It's all melted and shit!
Jon Snow - Erm....nothing. ....maybe it was a dodgy fuse or something?
GW: Where is the Queen?
JS: Dunno, maybe she nipped down the shops for ten fags and some crisps?
GW: ....and what about this fresh pool of blood on the floor? Where did that come from?
JS: Nose bleed innit. I'm not good with heights.
GW: Where is your dagger? You had it with you twenty minutes ago when I saw you outside?
JS: I ...erm... maybe....ah bollocks, look, I just stabbed her, right? I get a bit stabby with knives..... It's a fair cop Guv'nor
And how did they know Jon had stabbed her, did the daft bugger admit it? 😆
I thought that! When she got carried off, I thought that was handy, quickly cover up the blood stains and say she went off on Drogon.
Sorted! 😃
Grey Worm, Jon Snow and GW episode of GoT would be the bestest evar!
Came across a funny exchange on twitter, wherein someone unfamiliar with the show was laughing at the fact that Daenerys had a Dragon called Drogon. People pitched in with explanations along the lines of “No, it makes sense in context!”, “He was named after a real guy who died!”, etc, but this just made him laugh harder:
“No, man: her ex was called Rob. That’s why she has a rabbit called Robbit.”
This series needed to have been about 10 episodes with more actual story and plotting and not just “lets blow all the budget on dragons and get this series done and dusted”.
Very much this. David & David just went Full Hollywood to get the thing finished already. Ben Stiller could have done a far better job.
I enjoyed the Night Fight. Flawed though it was. Military blunders aside, the main problem was that when it came down to it, Frosty Jack got offed by a small girl with a small dagger. Hold up - he's the walking embodiment of winter. It just felt weak. Maybe he should have been banished instead of completely re-dead-ed. I dunno. Would have left him open to return next winter or something.
Dany Does Kings Landing, meh. Shark, jumped.
Look! Exploding buildings! (shhh - they'll never notice the wonky plot and sudden character changes)
And this week, Melty throne, Jesus wept, how hot is this dragon supposed to get, first off it just lights things up, by the time we've reached S8 people and ghosties and ghoulies are thrown up in the air as soon as it gets near, as for the exploding city, get real, and this episode, five seconds of torching and this big old solid lump of steel has turned into hot flowing red goop?
Jon Snow / Dany arc was itself concluded quite well. Tyrion's ending works for me. Yes, the scenes where he is convincing Jon felt like they were on form, with the intrigue to the front.
Almost everything else didn't work. Hey up lads, we've rounded up a few minor lords. Look, here's that chap who didn't do much, a knight, some guy whose chief involvement was being captured, some guy from somewhere else that we haven't met before, and a couple of other bit part characters.
King Bran the Not Very Much There? Get out of town.
Frosty Jack got offed by a small girl with a small dagger
obviously only men with big swords can be heroes...
five seconds of torching and this big old solid lump of steel has turned into hot flowing red goop?
made by a dragon, destroyed by a dragon?
obviously only men with big swords can be heroes…
If you say so. Throughout the series she has been referred to as 'a girl'. But, you know. Let's ignore that.
My point was more that she is mere human with pointy stick. Whereas he is a supernatural force as old as time, etc.
You want to read sexism into it, knock yourself out.
My point was more that she is mere human with pointy stick. Whereas he is a supernatural force as old as time, etc.
Killed by the only weapon that could kill him, not a pointy stick.
This series needed to have been about 10 episodes with more actual story and plotting and not just “lets blow all the budget on dragons and get this series done and dusted”.
Maybe they didn’t want it to dragon too much?
I think Bran was a good choice
The whole point of it being Bran is that it needed to be someone who didn't want it.
He doesn't really want anymore.
The entire story has been about the corruption and ultimate destruction of those who desire power.
All the main players left standing at the end are the ones who had no expectation of ruling but had power thrust upon them against their will.
Except Bronn. The greedy bastard.
And this week, Melty throne, Jesus wept, how hot is this dragon supposed to get
made by a dragon, destroyed by a dragon?
Seems sensible
All the main players left standing at the end are the ones who had no expectation of ruling but had power thrust upon them against their will
Mostly. Apart from some of them lords that turned up at the end, from places where they were still the people who expected to be ruling. Oh, and Sansa, I think she has expected to be ruling somewhere or other since S1 Ep1.
Killed by the only weapon that could kill him, not a pointy stick.
Don't you go bringing reason and logic to this thread now!
Yeah alright. It was the only pointy stick blah de blah blah blah.
Didn't every living person had a zombie killing pointy stick by that episode?
Don't get me wrong, I think that this series and the one before have been a bit rubbish, and a real let down after the excellence of the previous six. However, I do find it funny that, of all the issues with them; pacing, dialogue, story arc etc etc, people are questioning the veracity of a dragon being able to generate sufficient heat to overcome the melting point of iron (well, steel).
Mostly. Apart from some of them lords that turned up at the end, from places where they were still the people who expected to be ruling.
Not main players though were they?
But ok let's go through it...
Samwell Tarly - Explicitly denied the chance to rule anything by his family and the Citadel. Ends up Grand Maester
Edmure Tully - The most useless leader in te Seven KingdomsTold to sit down and shut up for comedy value as he ain't really ruling anything
Yara Greyjoy - No expectation of ever ruling except for the briefest of moments when Theons cock arrived in a box. Swiftly disabused of the the notion at the Kingsmoot
Arya - Never wanted to be "a lady in a castle" Had tremendous power thrust upon her by the Faceless men. Doesn't wish to use it anymore
Unknown Prince of Dorne - Only there because his entire family killed each other.
etc. etc.
Oh, and Sansa, I think she has expected to be ruling somewhere or other since S1 Ep1.
Have you watched the show? Sansa spent 6 entire seasons just wanting to wear pretty dresses and eat lemon cakes whilst being used and abused by everyone around her.
of all the issues with them; pacing, dialogue, story arc etc etc, people are questioning the veracity of a dragon being able to generate sufficient heat to overcome the melting point of iron (well, steel)
"as well as" not "of all"
we could do pacing, dialogue and story arc again, if you like? ultimately, we're just talking about a tv series. I guess I'm in minority about the dragon ex machina, c'est la vie.
Do we know how everyone in the north managed to survive the white walkers? Or why they bothered to go to all the trouble to reconstruct the wall if theres no white walkers left?
the wall only fell at eas****ch?
Do we know how everyone in the north managed to survive the white walkers? Or why they bothered to go to all the trouble to reconstruct the wall if theres no white walkers left?
Survivors of Winterfell innit. all the wildlings came south.
They haven't reconstructed the wall yet. The hole in the wall is at Eas****ch by the Sea.
The gate they went through is at Castle Black.
Have you watched the show?
My main purpose on this thread is to derail any sensible discussion about plot arcs and get sidetracked with the physics of magic 🙂
Your point about corruption and destruction exactly applies to her, no? She wanted to rule, it has got her, as you said, used and abused by all around. Only difference to most other main (ex) players is she came out the other side, stronger rather than corrupted, with a throne. Along the way, she learnt to play the game the normal way, and at the end, she's a winner of that game, played the conventional way. She's the new Queen in the North, ultimately perhaps not dissimilar in nature to her father.
Aaaah.... thanks PP.
I was musing on this while Mrs Binners was just chuffed to see Tormund again. She's got a bit of a thing about him. Which I think is a bit bloody unfair as I'm expressly forbidden from growing any facial hair. Its just, like SOOOOOO not fair
She wanted to rule
No she didn't. Not for most of the show.
not dissimilar in nature to her father.
Who also had his unwanted power thrust upon him unexpectedly when his older brother and father were burned alive by the Mad King.
Eddard Stark could have taken the Iron Throne but didn't
Do we know how everyone in the north managed to survive the white walkers? Or why they bothered to go to all the trouble to reconstruct the wall if theres no white walkers left?
I seem to recall it was only the part of the wall at Blackwatch, rather than Castle Black, that was felled by the dragon. There are castles all along the wall, IIRC Blackwatch is the one on the east cost end, so the majority of the wall still stands.
Not a follower of GoT myself, but I liked THIS (LINK) take from someone at Scientific American on the reason why the last 2 seasons were different.
But why is there still a Nights Watch when everyone's now all BFFs with the Freefolk, and there ain't no more problem with the Deadfolk?