[Closed] Game of Thrones - Of course it has Spoilers

Ah yes Sir Americano of house Barista, think he died at the red wedding actually.

Who's going to survive for the money making a spin offs

^^^ The first spin off is set back in the past, before even the first dragons

Yeah I guess Bran is trying to get himself into a spin off by saying he lives mostly in the past now. Seriously though if he doesn't do anything important in the last couple of episodes wtf was the point in him as a character? Even Sam discovered the big R+L=J revelation on his own. Imagine if he could warg into crows and scout ahead of the fleet/army and help prevent ambushes pfft, I expect he's too busy being a teenage boy going into the past and perving on people.

First half, good bantz innit.

But.

The weapons grade military ineptitude is requiring just a little too much suspension of disbelief now. Weak point of the series for me.

Also, I just typed "how far can a ballista shoot" into google, and the top result - wiki - says 450m (with an effective accurate range of less), so that really doesn't make it very useful to take out a flying thing which can easily get beyond cloud base. I appreciate that physics in general kind of ceases to apply with flying things the size of an elephant from which breathe fire, but, the rest of the world seems to operate on normal sorts of weights and measures.

Cersei being capricious and deciding to make a show of the execution, can believe, but, struggle to credit her character wouldn't follow it up by sticking the remaining dragon with pointy sticks though, thus guaranteeing an easier fight.

Disappointed in Bran, who sees everything, not being able to see anything particularly helpful. If he's so bladdy useless, why was the Night King so interested in him?

Disappointed in Bran, who sees everything, not being able to see anything particularly helpful. If he’s so bladdy useless, why was the Night King so interested in him?

That said, he [I]has[/I] (attempted) to alter the past on a few occasions - young Hodor, young Ned etc. Maybe that was while he was still a bit "Bran" though before he went full 3ER.

It would be pretty weak though if they don't do something else with his character!

The weapons grade military ineptitude is requiring just a little too much suspension of disbelief now. Weak point of the series for me.

Without it it would have been be a very short and fiery episode indeed.

The dragons need to be neutralised to allow for a final battle with some genuine peril for the main characters.

If they weren’t then there’d be no need to have anyone other than Daenerys go south.

Dragons burn soldiers and ships and eat Cersei

Game Over

It’d be a shite ending.

Dragons burn soldiers and ships and eat Cersei

Notice how the ships only have ballistas at the front...

Notice how the ships only have ballistas at the front…

Also notice that they were mounted on turntables and that there are multiple ships which are capable of pointing in different directions simultaneously.

Where do you draw the line between making it “real” and servicing the plot?

For example, did you also notice that they were right next to Dragonstone, a rocky island?

What was to stop Drogon from picking  up a huge boulder and dropping it from a great height onto a ship?

Nothing.... other than it wasn’t in the script.

Perchy, I guess that's the danger of introducing a story element so massive and overpowering - you can't suddenly remove it without having a plot hole large enough for the Brexit Bus to squeeze its way into.

Pitching dragon x2 against zombie dragon and undead wizard king, ok, kind of stacks up.

Two dragons vs a few big crossbows, not so stacking up, at least, as you point out, without some spoon bending dumb funkery from Team Danny Jon Snow.

Medieval military reality* would likely be some kind of extended yawn fest of an entrenched siege. I guess that wasn't an option for a climactic 90 minute episode though.

* yeah, ok, I know, it's TV with dragons, etc.

The dragons, whilst powerful, have always been shown as vulnerable though. In the loot train battle, a volley of normal arrows caused Drogon to turn away, and Bron [I]almost[/I] got him with a single ballista. Also I think he almost came a cropper during the attack in the fighting pit just through shear weight of numbers.

haha yeah Drac funny you should post that. Wooooosh!

The dragon would have been safe if it had gone that high over them.

Anyone else unhappy with Bron’s change of tact/character?
I for one would appreciate a few genuine relationships to stay in tact come the story ending.

Another bonkers good episode though. It’s so strange having so much development over each episode now, when we’ve been waiting years for the paths to cross.

I was critical of GoT at first, but now I suspend as much disbelief as possible and enjoy it. Plus some of the acting is first class right now and several character moments have blown dust into my eye. Honest.

Watched the knighting of Brianne again yesterday, marvellous scene. Dusty eyes.

Anyone else unhappy with Bron’s change of tact/character?

What, the bit where he changed sides to whoever promised him the biggest reward and had the best chance of delivering it?

Entirely consistent with his character all the way through, pretty much.

Bronn's just hedging his bets, entirely within character I think.

battle royale - cersei wins (A) or Team Snow wins (B)
options - kill them (1) now, (2) not at all, or (3) decide later

(1) & (2) - Bronn has to predict the fight
(3) - Bronn wins whatever side sits on the throne

Entirely consistent with his character all the way through, pretty much.

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The accuracy of the anti-aircraft fire was a joke – first dragon got three direct hits.

... whilst fired around the island out of sight. But to be fair - the next hundred arrows they fired whilst able to aim clearly at the remaining dragon all missed.

Theres lots of gaping big holes in the story now that you would not have expected them to have written in earlier seasons; some of the characters they spent a long time in earlier seasons developing are now so out of character - and the storyline of the last two seasons has shown real lack of clever twists as before. It does seem they are rushing to tie things up. But it is still the best thing on TV at moment - and I can`t wait for the last two episodes.

I am still unsure who gets to sit on the crown at the end.

After watching that yesterday i cant help think Denny is going to end up the same as Cersi .. they both seem a little un hinged at the moment. Aria will be closing a pair of green eyes

Using the remaining dragons(one injured) as front line attack cannon fodder with no recon is just stupid. Also deny is getting a bit precious, I can't see her living.

They'd work far better as recon units with the ability to torch the crap out of anything once it's established there's no ranged weapons.

And yes I know it's only make belive, but those crossboe/barrista bolts would have lost so much momentum by the time they hit the dragon they would have just bounced off..

... And that's assuming they could rotate them, and elevate them (from a bobbing ship) fast enough to even get close to target.

I'm disappointed.. The story seems rushed for no other reason other than to bring the saga to a quick end.

I've heard budgets mentioned from other places, but it's probs one of the most successful series of all time, so you'd think budget wouldn't really be an issue within reason.

I’m disappointed.. The story seems rushed for no other reason other than to bring the saga to a quick end.

Rushed, yet at the same time interminably long - the first hour was so dull. Another soap opera episode like the first two this season. And while I'm no expert, even I can see the complete lack of anything like coherent military tactics, both in this episode and the previous one.

Think I'll spend my time on the turbo next week in the garage rather than wasting it watching GoT and just getting disappointed again.

@mogrim you are Bran AICMFP

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I'm not sure why it hadn't 'Dorned' on me earlier but Jaime to slay Danny the mad queen, then maybe Arya to kill him steal his face and polish off Cersei.

Quality of writing went noticeably downhill after they overtook the source material.

Arya to kill Dany, take her face and rule in her place. Her bastard child with the blacksmith will then become the next monarch.

Anyone else unhappy with Bron’s change of tact/character?

A little. Yes he's a ruthless sell-sword, but the usual charm and whit had gone.

For me, it seemed like either, he'll be back to 'redeem' himself later, or just a case of having a lot of support characters they need to conclude the story on in a few hours of screen time. the character was plunked from obscurity of last series, plonked on screen for a bit and left again, perhaps never to be seen again.

Maybe the writers were handicapped, they say that Lena Headley and Jerome Flynn hate each other IRL and wont be on the same set at the same time, with the last 2 eps likely to very Cersi centric they may have not been able to include him.

Cersei takes Danny.
Arya takes Cersei.
Hound takes Mountain, incurs fatal wound.
Jamie attempts to take Arya but Jon takes Jamie.
Jon takes throne.

Losses along the way
Grey Worm
Davos
Captain Jack Sparrow Eugene Greybeard Ernie Wise whatever his name is with the magic fleet of instant ships.

Lena Headley and Jerome Flynn hate each other IRL and wont be on the same set at the same time

Must be so tempting to decapitate/impale/burn/melt/drown awkward actors, er, characters. Especially in this series.

The entire "Bron to assassinate Tyrion and Jamie" thread seems a bit pointless. He's ended up near the Lannister boys and theoretically on their side - though as it's Bron we know he could turn if the money was right.
That's pretty much how it would have been if Bron had simply travelled north with Jamie, so I don't understand why this storyline was included in the first place.

Apart from that I'm still enjoying it. It's a bit daft, but then it's always been a bit daft. Lots of episodes don't have much action but that's ok - it's always been the case.

I don't get the Bron thing. He's not killed them like he was asked, so if the way continues and Cersei wins, she'll want to know why he didn't kill them. Or they win, then just kill Bron. Either way he's a loser.

I get he's supposed to be a despicable character, but I also thought he'd shown some comradery with them along the way and would act differently than shown.

I reckon:

Mountain kills Hound

Arya kills Mountain

Euron kills Cersei (baby lies)

Jamie kills Euron

Varys kills Dany (indirectly)

Jon takes the Iron Throne (I hope not though, it's too happily ever after)

Bran does **** all

Okay. I've not thought about this a tiny bit but alternate version with less killing:

'Rocky' Mountain - silent Bob, basically, begins to talk about his feelings. Won't shut up. No one asks him to stop.

'Avoidthe' Arya - sorry, got nothing, all effort went into the name. Probably does kill someone, possibly...

Euron 'Rnnie' Pickering - chokes to death having chewed on one bit too much of the scenery.

Jamie 'Get' - kills his hair stylist (who amazingly had survived having committed Xavier Bardem's pudding bowl in no country for old men). Though to be fair it's the hairstyle did plausibly narrow Jamie's shagging options to the aussie tempstress and that's it.

'Yourmilagemay' Varys - opens teashop. Is fully occupied by all the baking and long hours, and pissed off after a couple of years. Shame really as I liked him.

"sittingonthe" Jon - Northern accent intensifies as he lives happily in King's Landing/Highgate sorry grove. Never goes north again.

'All' Bran - saves his energy for the prequel. And his finals.

Qyburn invents acid.

Last episode goes all Yellow Submarine.

I don’t get the Bron thing. He’s not killed them like he was asked, so if the way continues and Cersei wins, she’ll want to know why he didn’t kill them. Or they win, then just kill Bron. Either way he’s a loser.

He explained it in the short scene - he weighed up both sides of the fight and bet on them winning, but it was close enough for the balance to shift if he took out both the Lanister boys and maybe a few more key members of the leadership team quietly one-by-one at night (which he's more than capable of doing).

Effectively he was plausibly able to prove he could influence the fight enough that he wins either way, so if they offered him a better castle than Cersi he'd let them go.

Jamie asked him to join them in fighting to ensure he'd be paid, to which he said "Nah, my fighting day are over, but I've got plenty of killing days left in me" to further prove his point.

Although, all told, that was a bit of a sappy move, because now when Team Snow wins, he doesn't have many allies. Just a castle and some peasants.

I don't know why Jamie didn't just knife Bron in the back of the neck as he turned to leave.

I don’t know why Jamie didn’t just knife Bron in the back of the neck as he turned to leave.

I think mostly because Bron is “flipping nails” but partly I’d say because he carefully walked out the door backwards pointing a vicious looking surprisingly easy to reload cross-bow at them the whole time.

polish off Cersei

LOL.

For those who don’t know the final script has been leaked !=

Big battle, enraged dragon queen attacks the red keep killing civilians sealing her own fate, subsequently falls off to be captured. Rescue mission ensues, Jamie somehow sacrifices himself to save Brienne from the Mountain, Cersei kills Daenerys during the melee, John kills Cersei, but is so heartbroken immediately exiles himself to Hadrian's wall.

Sansa takes the 7 kingdoms throne and falls for a dapper young musician at Brienne and Aria’s wedding, Ed Shearon becomes King thus winning the game of thrones.

Also this:

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I don't think they're dead.

I don’t think they’re dead.

Who are we talking about here? Some of them are definitely dead...

Well that was a bit brutal.

So this weeks logical inconsistency: last episode Shit Jack Sparrow manages to take out a dragon without missing. This week they barely get a shot off without all being torched

last episode Shit Jack Sparrow manages to take out a dragon without missing. This week they barely get a shot off without all being torched

Last week they were hiding and aiming shots at a low flying, slow moving target who until the first shot was fired, didn't know they were there.

This week it was a  furious Stuka dive bomber who was taking  full  advantage of the lack of elevation  and slow reload times of their crossbows.

So this weeks logical inconsistency: last episode Shit Jack Sparrow manages to take out a dragon without missing. This week they barely get a shot off without all being torched

Last week it was flying in a straight line since there was no credible anti-air threat.

This week*, some basic evasive maneuvers were employed to allow close engagement of the anti air weapons from the rear (even SJS uttered a frenzied "turn around"),

* as predicted last week, yay me.

I don’t think they’re dead.

I don't think they are either.

Last week they were hiding and aiming shots at a low flying, slow moving target who until the first shot was fired, didn’t know they were there.

This week it was a furious Stuka dive bomber who was taking full advantage of the lack of elevation and slow reload times of their crossbows.

I get what your saying but the writers just seem guilty of buffing / nerfing characters to serve what ever the plot needs rather than displaying any kind of consistency

He's definitely dead, he's dead too, he's also dead, he's dead and so's his brother and the other two are both dead as well and a lot of those left alive would be better off dead.

Who are we talking about here? Some of them are definitely dead…

Cersei (sp?) and Jamie

Cersei (sp?) and Jamie

Hmmm. Pretty sure they're goners. Lena Headley gave an interview saying she was a bit disappointed about the method of her death.

Enjoyed that! While rushed, Danys descent into madness ties into a lot of the foreshadowing throughout the show and helps to justify the rushed plot points last episode (varys having second thoughts and the dragon death).

I'm saying Arya kills her next episode and Jon chooses not to take the throne and introduce some form of democracy, given his background in the nights watch where their leaders are elected.

and introduce some form of democracy

I'm sure all the Lords and Barons with their castles, standing armies and surfs and claims to the throne will just nod and agree. That or fitting civil wars and 300 years of revolution into the last episode.

They will probably just jump straight to a union between Westeros, Essos, and Sothoryos. Until Westros gets fed up with Dorne economic refugees and votes for Wexit.

Someones closing someones green eyes
Someone from Up Norf is going to end up the big cheese, (lass mode)
Someone else will retire up in the far Norf as thats where he laid his hat
And after next Monday evening I get my Mondays back to seek the outside world in these sunny weeks ahead

Yep, Arya to top her next week and Jon to take care of the dragon.

That’s definitely thinned out the other candidates a bit.

I’m saying Arya kills her next episode and Jon chooses not to take the throne and introduce some form of democracy, given his background in the nights watch where their leaders are elected.

For sure.

"And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on it was Death." - Revelations

I had hoped the hound was going to kill her though whilst delivering a witty nihikisyic joke - for burning innocent people.

I found that episode really frustrating

Aryia to kill Danny.
John to return to the north with a new pet dragon to ward of any new pretenders.
Sansa to sit on the throne with the dwarf by her side.

Loved the whole white horse bit.

The little girl was clutching a white horse the whole way through, like Shireen Baratheon with her stag.

That’s a lot to take in.

Glad I got some of my predictions right. Cracking episode.

I don’t think they’re dead.

EVERY ****er who looked like they died in that, died.

Someone is gonna have to kill Danny, badly.

Death rides a white horse...

Someone on twitter made a good point, suggesting that when you write backwards from a broad plot overview (as provided by GRRM in this instance), there's a risk of jarring leaps in character development, like some people feel happened with Daenerys.

I quite enjoyed being slightly wrong-footed by the suddenly adept dragon-warfare and the slow dawning realisation that Cersei didn't have an ace up her sleeve; just a whole lot of hubris.

When they said "fire and blood", they weren't kidding.

hmmm... feeling this is all a bit rushed and the story arcs aren’t really coming to a satisfactory conclusion... I mean Jamie running back to Cerci and then getting killed in a building collapse is not what I have waited 8 seasons for. Cleganebowl was ok.
Have to say i’m kind of not bothered who gets the damn throne now as i’m loosing interest in the characters in this season.

I’m saying Arya kills her next episode and Jon chooses not to take the throne and introduce some form of democracy,

The kind where people with swords vote by stabbing each other until they agree on a leader?

She's gone full Targaeryn.

Never go full Targaeryn.

Have to say i’m kind of not bothered who gets the damn throne now as i’m loosing interest in the characters in this season

I'm beginning to feel like this! And I sooo wanted Cersei to meet a fitting end, being buried was just a bit meh.

Is Arya topping Dany just a bit too obvious? I can't quite see where Sansa ends up in all this either. Oh well, just one to go....

Arya tries to kill Dany, fails, is killed.
John kills Dany, Sansa becomes Queen of the North.

Some good bits in the episode but I totally disagree with how the writers have taken Danys character, the whole following in her father's footsteps think is way too cliched (although that said I wouldn't want her to be queen living happily ever after with Jon either). I just don't believe she was angry/mad enough to have gone out of her way to burn all the peasants when she could have just gone directly to the red keep to where her real enemy was. Sure it sets it up for the obvious she has to die now in the final episode but meh.

The Golden Company got wasted far too easily, the scorpions were far too ineffective this episode. Euron and Jamie's fight was shite, like B movie quality. Cleganbowl was also a bit meh (although the way they killed off Qyburn was vintage GoT).

I ended up looking into the leaks as was so pissed off on how this season has gone so I won't make any predictions for the final episode - it certainly sounds crap though 🙁

Was anyone else hoping that Arya would say to the woman with the little girl....

"Now stop making a tit of yourself and piss off"

I’m liking longer episodes with more progression. The last couple of seasons have been criticised as “going nowhere” Not this one though!

GoT has always built up characters to huge importance then nobbled them.

The Impotence of the Scorpions and the Golden Company was good.

The rage of Dany folllowing the murder of Missandei, and Johns perceived betrayal works for me.

I’m glad this whole season wasn’t just a build up to a big battle, and they all lived happily ever after.

I don’t we are going to see a clean wrap next week. I predict we will see Gendry on the throne, then it will finish north of the wall.

Was anyone else hoping that Arya would say to the woman with the little girl….

“Now stop making a tit of yourself and piss off”

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"Mother of Dragons, no!'

They totally missed a trick by not having Jaime smash Euron's face in Irreversible-style with his golden hand after he'd stabbed him.

i think Arya's little yarn with the pooch made her realise she'd be better off out of all this nonsense so she galloped off back to Gendry...?

loved the white horse at the end too, and the little girl carrying a toy of it...

Dont think Jon has a future, he knows his bird has to go, and he was pretty appalled at the conduct of his own men during the battle. he'll either die or piss off to live with the wildlings or something.

Sansa and Tyrion to rule 4 evs. although im not sure there is still an iron throne to sit on....

It's gone from character driven: "what would x do in this situation?" to plot driven: "we need a Dany / John showdown in 1 hours time"

Danys leap from 'breaker of chains' to 'burner of peasants' felt a bit abrupt. I feel an attack on the keep first at least would have been more plausible, ringing the bells a decoy for an attack on the dragon, then Dany goes mental.

Still got us all talking about it eh?

Also, for me, the Clegane showdown was never going to be super-impactful given Gregor's zombie-state. I know they tried to rekindle some of his "self" beforehand, but he's just been more of a special effect than a character in the show vs. the books.

Enjoyed Qyburn's death by his own monster, though.

After a little more reflection im finding it all to rushed. This season as been done with massive time lapses that have spoiled it a little for me. The first 6 seasons took an age to get the players in to position with dialogue and sub plots along the way.

Dani having a wobble and torching everything ..quite fitting
Cersei and Jamie's ending semi romantic with her wimpering .. almost a fitting end
Clegane brothers ... felt like a scene from the last run of Jedi films a bit meh
Master of whispers was always going to burn , Melaiandra told him that 4 seasons ago

After the 8 year build up this just seems to rushed ,shame really

I quite liked the low-key deaths. Giving the audience (or characters) what they want isn't the GoT way.

The fast-cut tight camera Jamie/Euron fight was poorly filmed.

I think the programme-makers have found it difficult to divide the plot up into episodes. Varys's death was one of the casualties of this. It felt like a bigger turning point.

Following that woman and child through the city was a good idea.

I think a few more glimpses of madness from Dani before torching the city would have been a good idea although I thought her expression through the kiss scene with John Snow was good.

That dragon breath lasts a long time doesn't it!

My predictions were all wrong, so there's no point in me trying for next week.