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I'm laughing my butt off and some of these calls. I can't imagine any of the Japanese cars being suggested being anything other than curiosities rather then acknowledged 'classisc', likewise the only way some of those chavved-up super minis will ever achieve chassic status is if the water supply is contaminated with strong haluciogenics.
Balls. DC2 Integra was rated as the best performance FWD car of its time, its successor, whilst having a better engine, wasn't a shade on its predecessor. And none of the cars are being suggested in "chavved up" form, in fact the rarity lies in the fact it's so hard to find a mint unmolested example.
VTEC Hondas are a 'thing' like hydro pneumatic Citroens, air cooled VW's and such. Just because it doesn't command a six or high five figure sum at auction it doesn't mean it's not a classic. I can guarantee that a lot of J-tin will be a hell of a lot more sought after than some of the BMC / Leyland / Rover / that weeks name shite that currently passes for classics.
As squirrelking says. The Honda NSX not a classic?
And the early Nissan Z cars plus the earlier Skyline GTR's are most definitely in classic territory.
Late 80's really 90's Celica's and Supra's are getting there...
I think gofasterstripes is right. I'm still tempted to pick up an A2 as the everyday runabout.
The Mitsubishi Evo groupe A was the rally car closest to the road car to win the world rally championship in a couple of decades. The Evo IV, V and VI can be had for under £10 000.
Define sluggish. 280bhp, 0-62mph in 4.9s apparently, with (presumably) well-sorted handling. I doubt there's much that would keep up in twisties.
According to the tech specs in the advert it's 197bhp, and 7.6 0-60, possibly wrong, but that's a daft thing to get wrong on a performance car on a classified ad! I never quite get cars like that on auto trader; It's 5 months old... £30k... Who'd buy private?! I'd also have a Golf GTI or possibly an R for that money, the former being quicker, the latter being much quicker! Get that that's personal though.
Edit:just seen the date on the ad
According to the tech specs in the advert it's 197bhp, and 7.6 0-60, possibly wrong, but that's a daft thing to get wrong on a performance car on a classified ad! I never quite get cars like that on auto trader; It's 5 months old... £30k... Who'd buy private?! I'd also have a Golf GTI or possibly an R for that money, the former being quicker, the latter being much quicker! Get that that's personal though.POSTED 11 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
The performance figures on Autotrader are automatically listed for any make of car. You cannot alter them. Those displayed are for the standard car.
Stick a supercharger on it, even a light blower, and it'll be substantially quicker.
BadlyWiredDog,
Three, a car can be really good functionally, but still not be a classic in waiting - eg all sorts of identikit BMWs, Audis etc. They can be 'classics' to a handfull of model enthusiasts, sure, but to be genuinely ...... Yes I agree there's plenty of BMW's & Audis out there but even normal! E46 M3's are going up in value & there's lots of them around, the original LHD M3 is like rockinghorse poo & a tidy one is now commanding serious money, in part due to it's racing heritage, I wish I could say the same about the M3 CSL I had, no racing history to speak of but prices have gone through the roof, that said I think there are only around 230 left on the road.
Very quick in my book, awesome sound track & I couldn't drive it to save my life but the grin was huge.
It has to be something other than your run of the mill stuff & no disrespect but a corsa, 106 or that type of car will not go up in value.
According to the tech specs in the advert it's 197bhp, and 7.6 0-60, possibly wrong, but that's a daft thing to get wrong on a performance car on a classified ad! I never quite get cars like that on auto trader; It's 5 months old... £30k... Who'd buy private?! I'd also have a Golf GTI or possibly an R for that money, the former being quicker, the latter being much quicker! Get that that's personal though.
As per Suburbanreuban, those stats are for the standard car, not the supercharged version. I'd be surprised if a Golf R could keep up with that thing (at least in the dry) and a GTI would be left for dead.
But I'm with you on the fact that he'll probably struggle to sell that car privately. Most people for that money would want a dealer warranty, trade-in facility, finance etc.
As per Suburbanreuban, those stats are for the standard car, not the supercharged version. I'd be surprised if a Golf R could keep up with that thing (at least in the dry) and a GTI would be left for dead
Makes sense! Golf R is still quicker and more powerful on paper - no idea in real life/twisty stuff. Still, we digress, and I'd still have the Golf myself.
Dannybgoode - good question about whether any diesels are or will be classics? Not many come to mind. I do think the Citroen C6 maybe the exception though. The last of the great line of hydro pneumatic big citroens - DS, SM, CX, XM, C6. I don't really count a C5 as a top of the line big mad Citroen (also more common than a C6). It is also rare only 23,000 made worldwide during its production. It's a French presidential car -Chirac and Hollande drive them. It's beautiful (in a quirky way). Full of gadgets. Things go wrong with it (it is French) which is also a sure fire necessity to be a classic.
I'm tempted by one lapdog - great cars and holding their value well.
That said I'm looking for something a bit silly next so an Alfa GT V6 is at the top of the list currently and that will become a classic. No doubt about it...
Dannybgoode, lapdog I thought they sold a 3 litre V 6 C6 petrol for a while?
Yes; the back seats fold completely flat; you can fit a whole spare set of wheels in there so you can drive to the track; swap your wheels for something stickier then pop the normal ones back on to get home.
And regarding them being sluggish - I'll happily take anyone out for a spin in mine; you just might change your mind. Being able to carry a bit more speed through a corner and getting a better drive out of it is fair more worthwhile than being able to just plant yer foot and go 'whhoooosh!' in a straight line.
Still; I guess you could say that about any car - until you've been in one whilst it's driven hard you never know what a car can really do.
Dannybgoode, lapdog I thought they sold a 3 litre V 6 C6 petrol for a while?
Just looked - indeed they did. Now to find one 🙂
Dannybgoode. Good luck finding a 3 litre V6 petrol. I think the diesels were by far the most common for a relatively uncommon car. They are cool in my opinion though. Even Top Gear put them at the far end of cool on their cool board from memory?
no idea in real life/twisty stuff.
What like at a track day?
Or do you all drive like super hero's on the queens highway cos you got the skillz? Which I guess is fine until somebody loses a leg.
I love all this car talk, real man stuff.
And regarding them being sluggish - I'll happily take anyone out for a spin in mine; you just might change your mind. Being able to carry a bit more speed through a corner and getting a better drive out of it is fair more worthwhile than being able to just plant yer foot and go 'whhoooosh!' in a straight line.Still; I guess you could say that about any car - until you've been in one whilst it's driven hard you never know what a car can really do.
I would love to take you up on your offer but no idea how I would disguise my hard-on 😳
Yes; I bought my car because it's fun to drive. And yes; I do go to track days - because that's the correct place for driving quickly and improving your driving skills. Nowhere did I claim to be breaking the law; nor driving like an idiot. It was a genuine "people claim it to be slow because of the performance figures on paper" without ever having sat in one.
Cheers for the attention though.
Offer still stands; I'll lend you a towel. 😀
BadlyWiredDog - MemberI'm laughing my butt off and some of these calls. I can't imagine any of the Japanese cars being suggested being anything other than curiosities rather then acknowledged 'classisc', likewise the only way some of those chavved-up super minis will ever achieve chassic status is if the water supply is contaminated with strong haluciogenics.
All it takes is one magazine article, one film, one episode of Top Gear etc to turn an obscure curiosity into a classic. People are stupid and fickle like that.
Surely proper future classics have to have a few things going for them. One is 'thing', if you like, the indefiniable magic bit, Corrados - I'm biased
Nothing special about Corrados. An ugly wedge but each to their own. However the "Vag scene" is so large and so popular that virtually anything with a VW/Audi badge will at some point attain cult status, the rarer/faster/sportier the quicker they will attain that status.
Which makes for point two: they need to have a certain rarity, if there are billions out there, they aren't 'classic', they are simply old cars. That's the difference between Mk1 Golf GTis and Mk2s, at the moment there are simply too many of the later cars around, though that's changing.
The average shelf life of a new car now is 12 years. Just by normal progress of time all cars will become rarer and rarer and rarer. When was the last time you saw one of these?
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There were 3.3 million of them at one stage.
Three, a car can be really good functionally, but still not be a classic in waiting - eg all sorts of identikit BMWs, Audis etc. They can be 'classics' to a handfull of model enthusiasts, sure, but to be genuinely sought after, they need to have a more general cachet, surely?
See any Vag car.
With all the performance related toys on here I think a boggo <20k on the clock Smart Fortwo Mk1 in unfettled condition will be worth a punt.
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Just not enough bhp these days when your average rep mobile is matching its output.
Disagree, a drivers car is not about power, its about how it drives.
Personally I think this is future classic already, where as its predecessor Mk3 was shocking
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I love the new MX5 from the front/side but the rear end does disappoint a little.
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The big money will be in mint Morris Marinas - those that avoided falling piano syndrome.
How many left on the road?
Still; I guess you could say that about any car - until you've been in one whilst it's driven hard you never know what a car can really do.
I have to agree with this - I was taken up a closed road (Harewood Hill Climb) in a bog-standard BMW 320 by an instructor and it utterly terrified me – he was braking so late and going through corners so quickly it astounded me.
More poke, Sir?
What bhp is that chucking out though? If its much more than the standard car you would want much wider tyres on it.
I have to agree with this - I was taken up a closed road (Harewood Hill Climb) in a bog-standard BMW 320 by an instructor and it utterly terrified me – he was braking so late and going through corners so quickly it astounded me.
320d is a bloody good car.
I was just sat here wondering if the Renault Vel Satis could become a future classic car. I then googled and looked at a few pics . . . . . 😯
a drivers car is not about power, its about how it drives.
Interesting comment. I recently got a 118d having been lucky enough to own an Elise and a Boxster in recent years. I find myself disappointed with the comparatively slow acceleration - even compared to other 2 litre turbo diesels I've driven - but there's no denying it's hugely enjoyable on the winding B roads.
What like at a track day?
Or do you all drive like super hero's on the queens highway cos you got the skillz? Which I guess is fine until somebody loses a leg.I love all this car talk, real man stuff.
Eh? All I said was that on paper (mainly because I was interested) that car A was quicker than car B. There was not a remote allusion to my mad skillz (which are non-existent), nor an inference that I drive like a **** on public roads (which I don't). But y'know, get a good bit of handwringing in. 🙄
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@njee - I think I pushed him over the edge by suggesting that it wasn't all about straight line speed and offering people a ride in my car so they could see what it was like in real life.
The Horrors.
it wasn't all about straight line speed
I remember being in a passenger in my colleague's souped up GT-R when he floored it (sub 3s 0-60). It was impressive for a second or two but then...well, it's a bit m'eh since once at speed it no longer feels fast in a straight line on big roads. However I would LOVE to be a passenger when he takes it on the track (and by all accounts he's pretty handy).
I find myself disappointed with the comparatively slow acceleration - even compared to other 2 litre turbo diesels I've driven - but there's no denying it's hugely enjoyable on the winding B roads.
I had an 118d as a courtesy vehicle and sort of know what you mean.
That's just a modern car thing. So much comfort, engine refinement and stuff, that you feel some what removed from the experience, so a car that does 0-60 in under 10 secs can feel slow.
The 120d does have a lot more punch though
Torque.
Ford Racing Puma will be a classic, I have already seen the prices double in 3 years, really kicking myself I didn't jump at the one for £2k a few years ago yes there was rust, same goes for the Mk1 Focus RS. For some reason Ford classics always go for a fair wedge of cash, but not before they hit rock bottom prices.
Skyline GTR's
GT86
Audi RS's 3/4/6
Integra Type R
Clio 182/172
205 GTi
M3 CSL's
Impreza
The only way to buy a car with the hope it makes money, is to buy the most standard/original well kept one you can and then put it in temperature/humidty controlled bubble for the next 10-40 years.
friend of mine has just bought himself either a E28 or E34 M5 Kombi/Estate... can't remember which. either way there are fewer than 400 registered in Germany and there were (according to him) fewer than 2000 produced.
he had some money spare... paid 13000€ for it.
need some tlc, but he has the time and space for it.
Nothing special about Corrados. An ugly wedge but each to their own.
Oh, okay.
These are starting to appreciate fast at the moment, only about 400 on the road, good time to buy I'd say 🙂
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Old M5 estate will be e34. Good choice, rare as and lhd only, so not much of a goer here. Deep purple colour?
Looked for an e34 525iX when I last needed an estate, but decided a lot of old model specific parts wouldn't be cheap.