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2.0-0.3 million years ago you’ve got all the archaic species; erectus, ergaster, neanderthal and so on.

Neanderthals were still around during the last glaciation and cohabited with homo sapiens in some areas. Fossils dating up to about 25 000 years ago have been found. They live on in us: 2-3% of our genes are Neanderthal with up to 20% of Neanderthal genes preserved in one population or another.


 
Posted : 18/06/2022 1:12 pm
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We had a wine tasting club at school run by the Headmaster. This was in the early 80s.

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Posted : 18/06/2022 1:19 pm
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A vicar as well and not uncomfortable with doling out 'the whacks', i.e. corporal punishment, for misdemeanours.

But we all liked him!

Corporal Punishment for school kids being another of those hard-to-fathom historical facts.


 
Posted : 18/06/2022 1:24 pm
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I used to be fit and healthy but now, well, less said the better.

This happened DURING my lifetime!!!

Well you did do most of the damage yourself


 
Posted : 18/06/2022 10:49 pm
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Our secondary school first year video club was showing 18 rated horror movies at lunchtime. And very popular they were too. Around about early 80's.


 
Posted : 18/06/2022 11:26 pm
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Aboriginal people enjoyed good health before the arrival of Europeans. They had abundant, wide ranging sources of fresh food including meat, fish, honey, fruit and vegetables. Accounts from First Fleet officials observed Indigenous people to be living to a great age and that children and elders were well cared for. Estimates of the age of older Aboriginal people at that time range from 60 to 80 years, although it could be that due to a healthy lifestyle Aboriginal people looked younger than their chronological age. In contrast , in 1788 the life expectancy of Europe’s poorer classes ranged from 15 years to a high of 40 years.

That looks like the same confusion from further up the thread: older Aboriginal people could live to 80, but so could they in Europe. Life expectancy is massively skewed by the deathrate of the under fives.


 
Posted : 18/06/2022 11:40 pm
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[i]I used to be fit and healthy but now, well, less said the better.

This happened DURING my lifetime!!!

Well you did do most of the damage yourself[/i]

No, most of it was done by the planet hitting me, hard.


 
Posted : 18/06/2022 11:49 pm
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Some of the Irish have no Celtic blood. My cousins in the south West of Ireland were genetically tested and our nearest ethnic group were bronze age peoples from Spain. Long before the Celts got there.
Might explain the "black Irish" (no sun but olive skin).


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 12:21 am
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Long before the Celts got there.

The idea that Celts migrated across Europe was based on the dating of Celtic style finds. However the current thinking (IIRC) is that there was no migration of Celtic people, it was a cultural movement that spread. That style of art spread from region to region.


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 6:05 am
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Some of the Irish have no Celtic blood. My cousins in the south West of Ireland were genetically tested and our nearest ethnic group were bronze age peoples from Spain. Long before the Celts got there.
Might explain the “black Irish” (no sun but olive skin).

Apparently Ireland was a big place in the 9th to 12th centuries where slaves were bought and sold. In the 11th century, Dublin had the largest slave market in western Europe, so its possible thats why so many different ethnic groups show up on dna scans.


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 6:29 am
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 is that there was no migration of Celtic people

Of indeed; Celtic people.

it was a cultural movement that spread

A lecturer I listened to a few weeks back likened it to future archaeologists finding Heineken beer bottles, Ikea tables, and Levis all the way from western Russia to Ireland and concluding that it's a homogeneous single tribe of folks


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 9:32 am
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I used to be fit and healthy but now, well, less said the better.

This happened DURING my lifetime!!!

Well you did do most of the damage yourself

No, most of it was done by the planet hitting me, hard.

I know the feeling 🙂


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 1:53 pm
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There is Spanish blood in parts of Ireland thanks to the failed armada.

My uncle was a decent spud and for a man of his age pretty open re gender, sexuality and colour. BUT he hated, with a passion, anyone from mainland China.

Took a while to get him to say why but he was posted in Hong Kong on national service and one of his duties was to collect the corpses of female babies that were washed up, thanks to the single baby policy


 
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<em class="bbcode-em">I used to be fit and healthy but now, well, less said the better.

This happened DURING my lifetime!!!

It could have been worse. It might have happened at the end of your lifetime.


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 3:13 pm
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We used to have to remember peoples phone numbers. I knew all my friends numbers off by heart and now I sometimes have to double check that I’ve got my own number correct. I also remember that we had about three neighbours on our street that owned cars and we thought they were weird.


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 4:47 pm
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We had a wine tasting club at school run by the Headmaster. This was in the early 80s.

I joined at around 12 years old.

We had a bar open at lunchtimes at AWE Foulness. Seems odd now to have that in any workplace but on a firing range!


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 5:33 pm
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At my school in the 80's, there was only one fat person.


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 6:16 pm
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My uncle was a decent spud and for a man of his age pretty open re gender, sexuality and colour. BUT he hated, with a passion, anyone from mainland China.

Took a while to get him to say why but he was posted in Hong Kong on national service and one of his duties was to collect the corpses of female babies that were washed up, thanks to the single baby policy

Not wanting to be that guy, but the one child policy was started in about 1980. National service ended in 1960 and the last national service serviceman discharged was in 1963.


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 6:21 pm
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Our secondary school first year video club was showing 18 rated horror movies at lunchtime.

one of my teachers ran a lunch time film club . It sounded pretty boring because he used a 16mm projector rather than the ‘teachers got a hangover’ big telly and vhs. So bound to be boring old films. All those that could be bother to go to it managed to keep it a secret for quite a long time that he was actually screening porn films.


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 6:33 pm
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There is Spanish blood in parts of Ireland thanks to the failed armada.

There is some evidence indicating it goes back rather further. Which given the Book of Invasions origin story for the Milesians is interesting. Possibly some history turned into myth or just a random coincidence.


 
Posted : 19/06/2022 11:46 pm
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The Spanish Armada had little affect on the Irish population as most died and those that survived the shipwreck were hunted down.


 
Posted : 20/06/2022 2:20 am
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The sheer number of decades it took before someone realised that suitcases are easier to shift if you add castor wheels to the base.


 
Posted : 20/06/2022 4:19 am
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Spoke with my dad about uncle. It wasn't single child policy. Probably just the high level of starvation and related deaths due to China's hard line communist policies.


 
Posted : 20/06/2022 8:51 am
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Roger Moore claimed to have come up with the idea for the Magnum ice cream by suggesting that a chock ice would be better if it were on a stick.

Walls however dispute this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_(ice_cream)#:~:text=The%20actor%20Roger%20Moore%2C%20best,than%20%22a%20brilliant%20story%22.


 
Posted : 20/06/2022 9:42 am
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'Black' Shetlanders too alledgedly related to the Spanish Armada.


 
Posted : 20/06/2022 9:54 am
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Not wanting to be that guy

We were stationed in Hong Kong in the 70's and the Gurkhas were out there patrolling in the new territories looking for people trying to cross the border from mainland China. They were handed back to the Chinese authorities, and even as a kid I knew that there were horrific stories of what happened to them subsequently once in Chinese hands again. It was pretty common knowledge that some soldiers looked the other way if they came across folks trying to get across the border.

So I can well imagine if servicemen came across dead folks and it affected them


 
Posted : 20/06/2022 10:12 am
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My dad worked for people who couldn’t read or write.

How old's your dad? I used to work with at least one bloke who couldn't read (mid 90s.)

There is Spanish blood in parts of Ireland thanks to the failed armada.

There are areas in west Wales that claim it as well. There used to be stories of doubloons being washed up in Rhossili bay on Gower because of Armada shipwrecks.


 
Posted : 20/06/2022 5:23 pm
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we had a photography club at our school which was quite popular with the teen boys. The teacher used to allow us to read his "photography magazines" (mid 90's) which was basically porn..


 
Posted : 20/06/2022 5:49 pm
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There is a city in Mexico (Pachuca) which welcomed Cornish miners at the beginning of the 19th century to mine the local silver. As a result there are fish and chip shops (with 'unusual' fish), and also a local delicacy called pastis, which they will snick a hole into after it's cooked and thread a large chilli inside.


 
Posted : 20/06/2022 6:13 pm
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When I first started shop work in my teens, it was fairly common to ask customers if they were 'on the phone' as a fair number of folk in Hull didn't have landlines at home. I'm 44.

I've heard of people giving the number of the white phone box in their street as someone would hear it ringing and come and fetch them if they had a call.


 
Posted : 20/06/2022 6:38 pm
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We didn't have a phone til I was 8.
Our number was 3833.


 
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Not historical, just depressing, but for those who only know 1 illiterate person, and in the past at that, around 1/3 of current UK prisoners are illiterate.


 
Posted : 24/06/2022 5:42 pm
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My grandmother had to phone from a telegraph pole and be connected through the shop to Dublin, sometimes the call rang for ages as the lady in the shop was serving someone. I remember my grandfather going for water at the village pump as they had no running water.
They got a phone box when Ronald Reagan visited. I think his bodyguards outnumbered the village population.


 
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Anybody remember party lines for your phone? Half the time you'd lift the reveiver to make a call but you couldn't because your 'party' was on a call. You could always listen in to random folks calls though...........


 
Posted : 24/06/2022 5:54 pm
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I have seen smoking mentioned a couple of times. When i was nursing in the mid 80s smoking was allowed on hospital wards even in bed. Thats hard to fathom now. Some consultants would smoke on their rounds. Nurses used to smoke in the linin cupboard


 
Posted : 24/06/2022 6:17 pm
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Another one. My grandmother was sold into service at 14

A hirings fair and as the youngest daughter on a small subsistance farm that was her lot. At the hirings fairs the parents get money for signing their children up. This would be around 100 years ago


 
Posted : 24/06/2022 6:22 pm
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We were stationed in Hong Kong in the 70’s and the Gurkhas were out there patrolling in the new territories looking for people trying to cross the border from mainland China. They were handed back to the Chinese authorities, and even as a kid I knew that there were horrific stories of what happened to them subsequently once in Chinese hands again.

Lived up near the China border in the 90s. We'd find discarded Chinese clothing up in the hills whilst walking the dogs. People were petrified of meeting an illegal immigrant because of how desperate they'd be not to get caught and returned....


 
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