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I'm told I cannot pay part time staff higher than salary to take on more work, outside of thier contracted hours. This is supposedly HMRC rules.
My view is surely we can pay what 'overtime' we like.
We're a charity so also cannot pay bonuses either.

I would like to motivate colleagues to take on some extra work, possibly pay what we pay external contractors...


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 6:54 pm
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Can't you increase the salary of the P/T staff?

Sounds like horse **** to me.

Who says?


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 7:01 pm
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The work is sporadic extra days- not regular or consistent.

I want to use thier non working days as I would a contractor.


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 7:04 pm
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I think you can pay them over their hourly rate once they've exceeded full-time hours.


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 7:20 pm
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Couldn't you ask this on a work day 🙂


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 7:22 pm
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Like you're going to get any reward for this. 🙄


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 7:37 pm
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I'm told I cannot pay part time staff higher than salary to take on more work,

Told by who ?
What were the reasons given ?


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 7:40 pm
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My understanding is overtime is technically being asked to hours that you are not contracted to do- ie any hours above normal as specified in the contract. You can then pay whatever the contract says you can pay them for overtime. There is no law beyond they cannot earn less than the MW - iirc you dont even need to pay OT f the contract says it has to be worked .

in your case i suspect the contract specifies the rate as being standard rather than an enhanced rate rather than HMRC whose only concern will be the MW is met.

You could achieve the same result by paying them more hours than they work though I very much doubt this is legal and clearly I would not advise such an action despite it being such a good solution


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 7:45 pm
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You're suggesting that a part-time worker could earn more for working full-time hours than a full-time worker. I can imagine some folk might feel a bit aggrieved about that.


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 7:48 pm
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certainly in my line of work part time staff get their usual hourly rate until they hit full time hours.

could you not give a bonus?


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 7:57 pm
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They should also accrue holiday and pension benefits accordingly.


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 8:00 pm
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Last time I worked part time (around 7-8 years ago) I got paid overtime at 1.5x anything over my contracted hours.

This was on the understanding that my hours would not exceed full time hours regularly; it was during uni summer holidays. Also I was told to keep shtum on getting 1.5x to the full time staff..

Banking sector fwiw.


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 9:35 pm
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Last time I worked part time (around 7-8 years ago) I got paid overtime at 1.5x anything over my contracted hours.

This was on the understanding that my hours would not exceed full time hours regularly; it was during uni summer holidays. Also I was told to keep shtum on getting 1.5x to the full time staff..

Banking sector fwiw.


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 9:37 pm
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Generally we only pay part time staff overtime rates once they have done more than 37.5 hours a week. Exceptions would only really occur for weekend or night work where an enhanced rate may be paid.

Anyway you could find of making use of the unsocial hours to pay more?


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 9:44 pm
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Give them a different job name and then you can pay a different hourly rate - but, make sure you've not creating an equal opportunities issue.


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 10:17 pm
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The vs full time is a good issue, thank you.
I'm off to ponder this more...


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 10:27 pm
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The vs full time is a good issue, thank you.
I'm off to ponder this more...

This^ full time staff will be rightly aggrieved.


 
Posted : 24/02/2017 11:28 pm