[Closed] Friday car thread: Golf Mk4 R32....any thoughts?

yes its the 1.5 diesel.

Martin - I don't have time TBH. Yes the 106 handles well - I said how much I enjoyed my similar Saxo and still think it's an all time FWD great. But would I want one again? No I wouldn't. Same with the 205 GTi - great handler, now too long in the tooth.

And while it's a tidy FWD car, a similar level/price RWD car like a mk3 MR2 or MX5 is in a different league when it comes to "involvement" and handling.

As for the diesel - WTF? That's a different kettle of fish. Proper old ladies car. A bit like owning a 1.4 Focus then using an RS as a comparison to another car.

Why?!

It has 58, yes 58bhp (the GTI at least has 120) and the quickest to 60 I can find is 15.2 seconds. How on earth would a few mods double (or more) the power and more than half the 0-60 time?!!!

Come on, you're being very silly.

Even our 1.3 Suzuki Jimny with 85bhp (60 in 14s) would blast off a 106 1.5 diesel.

no i was kidding. its not the diesel lol.just thought i would spice it up a little. put a grin on peoples faces on a monday. ;O)

how about spending 40k on a 106!..
http://www.youtube.com/user/bic106#p/a/u/1/JiLSdd9gdmE

Mat you've a remarkable memory, I did have a Delica about 5 years ago when I was travelling around New Zealand. I have a MkV GTI now but I try not to let it define myself as a person.

Economy on the mk5 GTI seems to vary car to car. My Edition 30 is often better than the standard GTI I used to have, although even that is generally high 20s if careful (30mpg at an ansolute push). I change the display if driving harder, as it's too depressing (low 20s on both cars).

That said, I've seen plenty other drivers get better in mags, forums, etc.

So then Shandy, a mk5 GTi is a car for those with "good taste" is it? More so than an R32 or 3 series BMW?

Fascinated to see how you came to that conclusion.

I'd only look at an Edition 30 GTi. Standard GTi makes a Ford Focus look rare in comparison.

As I said, I try not to get worked up about it. I drove all the cars in the class and picked the one I liked, its a good car for me. It isn't depreciating much and I can't really think of anything I'd change it for.

I've no interest in debating anything with you, you just come across as a complete know-it-all **** and I'm struggling to think of a car thread in recent times which you haven't wrecked by turning it into one of your obsessive points-scoring exercises.

Brycey - Member
Economy on the mk5 GTI seems to vary car to car. My Edition 30 is often better than the standard GTI I used to have, although even that is generally high 20s if careful (30mpg at an ansolute push). I change the display if driving harder, as it's too depressing (low 20s on both cars).

That said, I've seen plenty other drivers get better in mags, forums, etc.

Variable economy within a car model is not just restricted to Golfs either.

In my experience it happens a lot with other cars and it always seems to be that I end up with one of the thirstier ones.

I have seen mid-30s on long runs but it would tend to be low 20s a lot of the time, most of the miles are in town or around country back roads.

Nice debating skills there Shandy - clearly you don't like being faced with facts and so resort to petty little insults. How very clever of you.

Mk5 Gti is a decent enough motor but deciding it is a car for those with "taste" is a bit pompous and TBH utter BS. All sorts of people drive GTIs as with most cars.

Thanks for your input though and sorry you are incapable of joining in without having to resort to running off in a strop. More mature STWers are perfectly happy to share enthusiasm without the red mist of childish stroppyness descending.

Well come round and look at the computer readout if you want. 2 weeks ago did Aberfeldy-S****horpe-Huddersfield-Mansfield-Stockport over 2 days and averaged just over 30mpg with some driving in heavy traffic

I wasn't questioning what your car is achieving, but wanted to add in another perspective (partly to support my earlier comments about running costs). Ours never achieved more than 30mpg, and if pushed hard would drop below 25mpg.

For the Mk V -> Mk VI quality/cost issue the two are closely related. By simplifying elements of the design it became easier and cheaper to build as well as reducing the number of place where the niggling issues were occurring. It's my understanding that addressing both these points were seen as critical within VW - hence the relatively short MkV model run.

I never mentioned my car, you did. You are the pretentious **** pontificating and passing judgement on everybody and everything else, whilst driving a diesel version of one of the most common cars in its class.

Anyway, must dash, I've a blow-by-blow account of my 53rd place performance in the local girls under 14 duathlon that I know the world is waiting to hear.

Well shandy that hissy fit revealed plenty about you didn't it?

Bitter than I have a "nicer" car, bitter that I did fairly well in a BTF triathlon, bitter about all sorts of other things too I suspect.

Here's a tip for you - look at your own life. If it sucks which I suspect it does, try and fix it [i]yourself[/i] rather than venting at others. You have contributed NOTHING to this thread apart from whining sniping bleats.

This fits you pretty well:

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You have convinced yourself that you are superior, to an un-named person, somewhere on the internet, that you know nothing about and who has no interest in being competive about anything.

Hopefully you'll get banned from this place like you did from the last forum you blighted with your presence.

You may be vastly superior in every way but on here you come across as very sad, very bitter and pretty vacuous. But if that suits you, carry on.

As for BikeRadar - many people have stopped posting on it as it's now overrun by childish losers like yourself and admin'd by some very sad little internet geeks. Took a while to realise but once I did, I hit the "try and get banned" button. It worked a treat against utter pondlife like you.

As intoxicating as the sound of a V6 might be - can't really see any sense with current fuel prices...

... unless it's a project car with something more economical for the day drive, or you don't do much mileage.

Not the same car or motor, but looked at the 147GTA when it came out - the garage where I got my car serviced was running one as a demonstrator. They reckoned it was doing somewhere between 15 and 18mpg 🙁 Many manufacturers are going the way of smaller capacity engines with bigger boost pressures to replace the larger capacity motors previously in their line-ups.

Mk 5 GTi on the other hand would normally return mid to high 30s and would edge in to the low 40s on a long motorway run.

rkk - yes indeed but I for one am very sad there will never be a V6 Golf. The R is very capable but it just doesn't have the same appeal.

Regardless of performance, the delivery of the 3.2 engine was flawless - no gaps in power at any revs, easy to control to a fine level, etc.

I don't see why people compare the R32 to the GTI - they are very different in all but shape.

Shandy, I wouldn't worry about it. I hardly ever come on here, but every thread I see seems to have 'Awesome' Matt boasting about his knowledge, driving skills or how everything he owns is better than anyone else's. His post below particularily amused me:

Mutant - pics of your RS6 or I assume you are a keyboard warrior pretending he has one. They don't appeal to me to be honest - too heavy. An RS4 is a different matter.

Why should he assume that someone on here couldn't possibly afford an Audi RS6. Just because he lives in a fantasy world, doesn't mean others have to BS on forums to make themselves feel better.

Gachet - occupation IT.

Current contribution to STW - telling us his mate has a Cooper S. And trying to be a smart ar5e about RWD cars.

Now there's a surprise.

All boxes ticked - geek stalker nerd with nothing to add but a lot to moan about.

Jesus. Car thread involves a personal rant involving Mat. Dear me.

Can we please close this thread as it's now Monday and the thread specifically says Friday.

I heard an R32 get wound round to the limiter the other day and it sounded immense, on noise alone this is a big bag of win.

My understanding was that having the V6 in it makes it a bit of a dog in the corners, but then I've not driven one so wouldn't know. Either way, its a nice car and won't loose much money. Oh, and I lost the service book for my BMW - £7 to the customer helpline thing and they sent me a new one all stamped up.

Oh, and Hora, that was me..you do know nowt

Mol - good idea.

To the stalker geeks - Pardon me for contributing to a thread about R32s seeing as I OWNED one for a year. Pardon me for comparing them to other cars seeing as that's what the OP wanted. Pardon me for answering to personal rants from people with nothing better to do. I don't feel the need to do the same (I only respond if yet another muppet has a go for no reason) - me happy, you Stalker Geeks not.

End of.

Flange - after the mk3 VR6, I expected the same but somehow the R32 gets away with it pretty well. It's a bit understeery and slightly vague in certain situations but overall it's a great handler. One of the few cars where Haldex AWD actually works pretty well.

Boom. Bosh. Done. Yeah.

plus1 Gachet and Molgrips
LOL @SmugMatt, soft lad.
A few pages back, I dared so suggest that our little egotist might be a bit foolish to be tussling with RS6s on a public road. I'm not against spirited driving, but the fact is that you can't race against such high powered cars on the public road without reaching frankly ludicrous speeds. I know - I've done it on the track and I'd never drive like that on the road. Any way, Cornwall's answer to Senna came with an euphemisticaly comical description of "out cornering" his RS6 (which was, presumably, driving Miss Daisy at the time to be doing anything other than mental speeds). Anyway, getting to the point, I was recounting his exploits to a few friends at the weekend, one of whom is a professional driver (shall we say) and we came across this little nugget:

The only time you "win" is when some gimp usually in a 2.0TDI Audi or Golf decides to try and prove himself (or more increasingly herself) by driving up your backside when you can't move out of the way on a dual carriageway or motorway. So as the traffic clears, it can be fun to leave them for dust. Safely.

To the stalker geeks

Do you know what stalking is?

Pardon me for contributing

Contributing? You're slamming everyone else's opinion for differing with yours and insulting them in the worst possible terms you can come up with.

It's not really that nice, Mat. Can't you just say something like 'well I'm not sure I agree with that, but whatever' with a smile?

hmmmm, well this has gone a bit off the beaten track...

rexated - Member

Been driving a mk4 gt tdi for a while, but looking for something a bit more grrr.
There's a 03 plate R32 at a local garage, 55k on the clock, tidy, just over £8k....but the catch is no service history. should i steer clear on that basis? wheels and tyres are new so i can't really check easily to see how if it has been overly ragged or not.
obviously i'd expect a car of this nature to have been pushed in its life, but i have never bought a car without any service history before....

wotchareckon?

Back to the OP

Rexated - that's low milage for a car of that age? It would be easy enought as mentioned here to check with VW as to its service record with them?

No records of service history and low milage, would ring alarm bells for me, has it had more than one owner, has someone pranged it & repaired it?

How much would a clean example with the same age/milage go for with a VW service history?

Hang on............... why am I bothering!

I think Rexated has long gone 😉

I think he's the stalker as he took the time to look at my profile and read through my past posts.

On re-reading the first page this made me laugh:

There's utter cr4p being spouted here by many who have never driven or owned anything more exciting than a Vauxhall Astra

There he is again assuming that no-one actually owns a decent car.

Back on topic, I owned a Golf VR6 for several years and one thing I would mention is if you look at other higher mileage R32's it is worth considering that the timing chain and tensioners need changing at 100,000 miles and if it costs a similar amount to my VR6 you'll be looking at circa £1500. Worth bearing in mind if you are intending on keeping it for a few years.

flange - Member
I heard an R32 get wound round to the limiter the other day and it sounded immense, on noise alone this is a big bag of win.

My understanding was that having the V6 in it makes it a bit of a dog in the corners

Forgive me for getting back to the original topic. The R32 makes a great noise either at idle or at full whack. I love it, but wouldn't buy it just for the noise.

The R32 handling is both brilliant and fun, as opposed to e.g the S3 which has huge amounts of grip but no feedback and therefore very dull. The trick as with any front wheel drive car is to unsettle it a bit by going in with a slightly trailing throttle and wind some lock on to get a bit of lift-off oversteer. Then power on, and the 4WD system just fires it out of the corner without the normal understeer you get from front wheel drive. Done that way, turn in is brilliant and exit speed phenomenal

LOL 🙂
Has anyone got a picture of that troll spray stuff they could post up around now? 😉

So Captain is the only one with actual experience of the car ad well as me. Yet the usually pile in beating about bragging and ego because they have nothing else to say. So come on geeks, what have you guys actually contributed? Nothing. Just spouted a load of abuse and attempts to have a go. Well nice one guys, once again you've all spoken volumes about yourselves. Total losers.

Mol - do yourself a favour and cut the sniping. I don't know why you randomly act fine then suddenly go moany but it really doesn't suit you.

Captain - you have it right and seem to be the ONLY other one who has actually owned an R32.

The rest would like a decent car but can't have one. This hurts them so they try and better themselves by trying to put others with a decent car down.

Is it possible to filter out the "noise" created by these bleating halfwits? The rest of the thread is quite interesting.

As for the others here's what you do before you attempt to post:

Name what car(s) you have.
Tell us what additional driver training you've had.
Tell us how many points you've had on your license and how many crashes you've had - this will negate your endless "safety" drivel if anything more than zero.

Tinners - are you completely retarded? Have you any idea why a fairly light non powerful car like a Megane R26.R or an Elise gets astonishing, often supercar beating laps times? Any idea what a mk4 Golf R32 MATCHED an SL55 AMG (faster than an RS6) around the Top Gear track? No, you don't get it do you? But carry on bleating about your "race driver" mate. See I actually used Roadcraft in my Police driver training. You however have the lamest iteration of the 3.2 VAG engine. A decent car but not a drivers one. Sorry about that.

Something wierd just happened to my post...!

Mol - do yourself a favour and cut the sniping. I don't know why you randomly act fine then suddenly go moany

I start going moaney when you cross the line into some pretty vicious abuse. The fact that you don't realise that this is what I am doing implies that you don't know how vicious you are being.

I'm trying to point out why you p*ss people off whenever we talk about cars, that's all 🙂

You REALLY have to learn how to play nice. People can have opinions, you don't have to RAM down our throats constantly about how right you always are. It's really not at all pleasant and it makes EVERY SINGLE car thread you are on degenerate into a load of nastiness. In fact, I didn't even open this for four days because I knew how bitter and vitriolic it'd be.

Just learn to disagree nicely, for all our sakes.

I like the way you try and agree with a minor point in a post that is effectively calling you a ****, like that person agrees with you. Its particularly amusing when the person comes back and clarifies their opinion that you're a loser, like molgrips did just then.

So then Mol, how is talking about the car from personal experience a "load of nastiness" then? I don't do it, a certain "gang" of muppets does it. They don't have anything to add other than bitter vitriol disguised as trying to be clever.

And for some reason you get all overexcited at times and get swept away by the demonic cyber geeks.

Now if you must, please point out any post where I "started it."

You'll struggle.

Back to the OP - if this one doesn't suit, look for another. You'll love it!

Tinners - are you completely retarded?

That's not very nice, for a start.

Now if you must, please point out any post where I "started it."

You don't have to have started it. You escalate it.

Grown-ups should know when to leave it.

EDIT: and yes, I know I get suckered in sometimes too.

Hang on............... why am I bothering!

I think Rexated has long gone

heheh - i'm still hanging on in here!
This thread has thrown up some really interesting stuff for me, so thanks very much for those of you who commented with opinion - as requested in my thread title - and some with real first hand experience of the cars that have been mentioned.

However, on balance, I'm off to buy a Fireblade 😆 😈

This is what Shandy said about Mat which seems to be where it all got ugly.

I've no interest in debating anything with you, you just come across as a complete know-it-all **** and I'm struggling to think of a car thread in recent times which you haven't wrecked by turning it into one of your obsessive points-scoring exercises.

Unfortunately, much as I like Mat in general, this is pretty much on the money for the car threads 🙁

Well in that case Mol, I have no time for you either.

Own goal.

It's not personal mate.

Just trying to help. I like car discussions, but I don't like bitter arguments 🙁

You are very abrasive on these threads, I just wish you weren't.

You know Rex - way back on the first page I was gonna suggest a motorcycle.

Being a biker myself I find that provides more than enough excitement.

Fireblades are ace! Great predictable handling, plenty of go, comfy and well built.

whats the VED on the r32?

I must say I'm not keen on contributing to car threads anymore. I would have said I didn't particularly like the R32 as I found it dull, & that was comming from a cooking Leon with a few mods, quite glad I didn't bother now though 😉

I'm with you 2unfit2ride

This thread has turned seriously vitriolic and unpleasant

This quote was particularly nasty

The rest would like a decent car but can't have one. This hurts them so they try and better themselves by trying to put others with a decent car down.