[Closed] Forum purchase problem, what would you do?!?!

I assume it's these ones:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/radarlock-path-glasses-team-sky-blue

I can't help notice several people, including Oakley Master[s]bater[/s] Houns, said they were fake in the thread?

Anyway. You paid for the glasses plus certificate. No certificate, then full refund and send them back.

I assume you paid via regular Paypal so are covered if needed?

Fake in my opinion.
Oakley hardcases don't come with a belt loop, and the zip tag is too big.

I've got fakes and real ones to compare....

...and if the inside of the case is soft foam rather than hard covered foam, they definitely fakes...

Given that the seller is still active on here if chase them round the forum until you get it resolved.

I will confirm that they are genuine when they arrive.

Go on then

What would you guys do in this situation??

You paid for them including paperwork. Whatever the circumstances are that have caused that paperwork not being in your hands, is not your problem.

It's for seller to resolve. Good luck.

Why not ask Oakley?

So this is interesting. The same seller sold me the same glasses in the same couloir with 5 lenses last September.

Can anyone tell me what I need to look for to see if they are fakes?

Did you get paperwork or was that last too?

Just checked crikeys content against other radars I bought direct from Oakley - everything Crikey says is true, soft foam, belt clip and large zip tag. - the ****er!

Here's a 3 month old thread with the seller asking where to buy knockoff Radarlocks:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cheap-oakleys-2

Oh, and here's some more for sale, which Kryten bought, from 5 months ago:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/oakley-radarlock-path-sky-blue

Were sold a year ago, as well:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/oakley-radarlock-path

Also, he has been offering them via wanted threads. If they are dodgy, hopefully Rochey didn't go through with buying them last month:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wtd-oakley-radarlocks-with-path-lens

...maybe the guy has a hook up with a legit supplier. Who knows.

Take them to a shop which has genuine ones and compare.

This is the reason why I would never ever buy second hand ones - the fakes can be really good.

Jamie - Member
Well...

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cheap-oakleys-2

POSTED 1 MINUTE AGO # REPORT-POST

I love STW!!!! Buy this guy a pint........ RIGHT NOW!

Pitchfork anyone ?

Hold on though. I just watched slogos vid and popped out to compare my frames.

So, thickness, lenses, model numbers, ear socks and nose pieces for his sky blue ones are all the same as they vid describes the genuine a ones. And compared to my original Radars, oliphants are almost the same only the radar lock bit is different.

It could be I have genuine radars in a fake case, or they are a very very good copy?

Pitchfork anyone?

I've got wallpaper stripper and a particularly scary angle grinder if any use.

Potentially a very good copy.

I have real ones and two copies, the copies bought two years apart. The second copy pair are almost indistinguishable from the real ones, and even the lenses or the optical quality is comparable in the second pair. Those boys are fast learners.....

Any way to tell Crikey? Fwiw until this thread I was in blissful ignorance. But could make a forlorn attempt at asking for a refund.

The op should check his also.

Report to trading standards, the authorities are starting to take this kind of thing very seriously:

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/local-bike-shops-blend-real-and-fake-bike-kit-to-mislead-consumers-40001/

I am sure they have the power to get his address/details through Paypal, email accounts etc.

Or, perhaps he would refund anyone (assuming they are actually fake) before it takes the official route??

Dunno, sorry.
Oakley will tell you for sure though.

Best to buy the £10-15 ones from eBay, then compare...

😉

Houns was correct, or so it seems................ 😆

what would you do?

I would have bought from an established shop.

Apologies for smug, but you get what you pay for.

but you get what you pay for

I would have bought from an established shop.

Apologies for smug, but you get what you pay for.

That's a pretty shitty apology.

This thread needs a Jamie pic of two idiots wearing bonkers sunglasses.

http://uk.oakley.com/report-fakes

kryton; just done several video checks and if they are fake, they're very good fakes

he claims that his mother in law works for snow and rock!

sbob: have you never bought anything second-hand?!

he claims that his mother in law works for snow and rock!

As I mentioned, it could be legit.

Does beg the question why he was enquiring after cheap knock-offs, though.

Anyway. How did you pay, Andy?

good detective work Jamie, wish i'd check his old threads beforehand.

ian oliphant, has assured my via email that they are genuine, so obviously i don't need the paperwork as proof!!

Fwiw the lense as a minimum is fake.

As houns pointed out, Oakley don't offer a gold tint on the radarlocks.

Have a look here to see lenses offered...
http://uk.oakley.com/custom/radarlock

paypal gift unfortunately.

yeah it does seem strange, especially because the ones kryton bought he slisted them as "just dont suit my face", but obviously thought another pair exactly the same might fit differently!!

i questioned the lens colour as the gold iridium has a green tint to it, and he told me to search for pictures of richie porte winning the willunga hill stage (which must be definitive proof that the lenses are genuine :roll:)

also the polarized lenses they came with are much thinner than the others

paypal gift unfortunately.

🙄

and with that, this thread should end (of course it will not.....)

It's odd, although I didn't like that gold lens, it did seem "odd" to look through in a way I couldn't put my finger on. I've been happily using the orange, clear and darker Lenses for mtb with no issues.

Fwiw mine has a red tinge to it.

Seems he sold yet another pair that didn't suit his face

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/oakley-radarlock-path

So a guy who posts on the forum asking for an alternative source of dodgy glasses intermittently sells 'genuine' versions of the same glasses. I think deep down you must know that you've sadly been conned, no matter how good the fakes are they're still fakes. Hopefully this fella gets what he deserves, you're not going to get a refund and if he just gets scared of here someone is going to get scammed on another forum.

Would have expected someone with his job to have a pretty good moral compass so perhaps this is all a big misunderstanding.

Hi,

It looks like you've been ripped-off unfortunately, the box should have at least 1 sticker on it with a bar code and the frame and lense details the sticker, there should be another sticker detailing the importer - milano or similar.
Another issue is that Oakley don't come with a cleaning cloth, as you use the microfibre bag.
I'll send you photos of a genuine box and case if that's any use for you?

paypal gift unfortunately.

Oh FFS. Sorry...but...oh for FFS.

Seems he sold yet another pair that didn't suit his face

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/oakley-radarlock-path

Linked in my post on previous page, mate. Sold the same, or similar, 3 times in last 12 months-ish. Not including if anyone took him up on his replies to their wanted posts.

Well, I only have a bag....not a cloth.

franksinatra - Member
Would have expected someone with his job to have a pretty good moral compass so perhaps this is all a big misunderstanding.

POSTED 3 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST

Just because someone works at a school does not guarantee a moral compass. Totally different situation but Ian Huntley springs to mind.

No one would be daft enough to link their employers name/e-mail details to a hookie for sale thread! Would they ?

Maybe he failed at scamming school. The last person you want involved in an internet bun fight is your employer.

Maybe he failed at scamming school. The last person you want involved in an internet bun fight is your employer.

Also best to avoid an extremely distinctive name and an online presence.

posiwev; if you've got a picture of a genuine case, that would be fantastic.

a_t_pickering@hotmail.com

If Ian Oliphant is reading any of this, it'd be nice if he'd contribute seeing as he's ignoring my emails now!

http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/local-bike-shops-blend-real-and-fake-bike-kit-to-mislead-consumers-40001/

What a useless article that is. "A small number of unscrupulous local bike shops"? Where - in the UK, in the World, where? Evidence? Load of scaremongering tosh - a LBS pretending to be a dealer for something they're not would get shut down sharpish, and equally any shop passing off fake goods as genuine when they are a dealer would be in big trouble.

OP you can suck it up and learn from your mistake. You bought a pair of sunglasses from someone who almost exlusively posts in the classifieds (with the exception of asking where to buy knockoff oakleys) Ignored the advice of a trusted forum member and then paid by a means that offered you no protection whatsoever. Sorry to be harsh but if you do not learn from this then you will gain nothing whatsoever from this situation. HTH

My mate's fake Oakley polarised lens is also a lot thinner than the others.

I've never compared genuine Oakley polarised lens against other genuine lens so shouldn't comment.

Time for bed, it's been a busy night.

Just sent him this, don't expect a reply though;

[i]Hi Ian

You may be interested to read this: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/forum-purchase-problem-what-would-you-do/page/2.

Seeing as your details are splashed all over it, perhaps, and to give you the benefit of the doubt it would be good that if this were a mistake you might clear it up before your name is tarnished any more than it has been. Perhaps an explanation is due in the thread or by to this email which I'll happily post on your behalf.

However, should it turn out that you have indeed deceived myself and one other by selling us fake Oakley sunglasses, it again may be in your favor to make a gesture relative to their real value to both me and the original poster. Speaking for myself there is a £70 difference between what I paid you, and what typically fake oakleys are selling for on ebay. I'd be happy to give you a paypal address for you to refund me the difference.

In my view, this would present the appropriate moral fibre given the situation and with your apparent position of employment taken into account.

I look forward to your reply.
[/i]

What if he's a pupil? My (primary school) daughters both have 'proper' email addresses from their schools.

If he's a pupil then discuss with the headmaster that one of his kids is scamming people on the internet!

Why are you asking for only 70 pounds? You are happy to have fakes?
That kind of defeats the object of your post complaining they are not original.
Get a full refund and send them back and report this guy to Oakley.
If you really want genuine Oakleys go into the nearest dealer and buy some.

You could make a trunk call to the school....

Send The Management round...

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You do know that there are genuine Oakley "seconds" shops don't you?
Theres one in Portsmouth at Gunwharf Quays and I bought a pair from them, ex display two lenses (g'teed new replacements) frames had been in display cabinets, with a set of old lenses in, cost £75.00.
Bargain.
I'd go to one of these shops before aproaching anyone selling s/h shades on here.
HTH

sc-xc - Member

You could make a trunk call to the school....

😆

On another note, Paypal gift... for 2nd hand "Oakley" glasses, one of the most faked products on the planet... seriously?

this forum rocks!!...at stuff at like this, more power to your elbow fake oakley purchasers!

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While I'm happy to admit I didn't make the best purchasing decision in the world, pointing out the idiocy time and time again perhaps isn't necessary.

Lets remember that regardless of my own naivity, there's an alleged deceptive bording on daylight robbery thats taken place.

On another note, Paypal gift...

I know I shouldn't, but it was at that point I lost a lot of my righteous indignation at the situation.

I know it's possibly kicking a man when he is down, but a buyer has to accept a certain amount of responsibility to make sure they have safeguards in place.

It's not as if there are not blatant warnings on every topic in the classifieds warning users against PP gift. It's almost tantamount to popping your old chap in a beehive. People are telling you not to do it, there isn't no benefit to doing it, several others have done it and come off badly....and yet they dip it in honey and have at it.

To address the Oliphant in the room, this obviously doesn't excuse any alleged wrongdoing by the seller. It's just these PP Gift incidents do make such scams both possible and pervasive.

Fair point, K. Hopefully the constant reminders will be of use to others, though.

Can we organise a lynching now we're through with all the touch feely soul searching stuff?

I've got a rope, we just need a big tree and a neck that wants stretching....

I've got a spare neck you can have - it is genuine*.

£200 Paypal [s]gift[/s] DumbOrGreedy ?

* though my pet liger might have eaten the documentation

It's almost tantamount to popping your old chap in a beehive. People are telling you not to do it, there isn't no benefit to doing it, several others have done it and come off badly....and yet they dip it in honey and have at it.

Can I send you a donation for that quote? PP gift OK?

wow. just read this..... the glasses are real. i've got a relative who works for snow+rock who gets me 2 or 3 pairs a year. i sell them on. kept a pair for myself.We all move bike related parts on, some new some used.
not sure what else to say. one guy didnt like them and this.....

Quick get that rope around his neck and pull.......

If they're real then you'll have no problem giving OP his money back and selling them elsewhere then. You are obviously unable to provide the paperwork, so do the decent thing... 🙂

[i] i've got a relative who works for snow+rock who gets me 2 or 3 pairs a year[/i]

so you're trading on the classifieds forum?

So if you have a relative you get them cheap for you can you explain this post to us then please?

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/cheap-oakleys-2 <

We all move bike related parts on

Looking at your posting history, there are bike shops that sell less stuff than you do.

I know if I sell samples or other gear that I get cheap from work (a major retailer) on eBay, on here or via any other route then I would be swiftly fired. That would include passing them on via a relative.

Mr Oliphant - I wonder if S&R would like to hear about your little side line in Oakleys or if they are totally happy with the situation? Does your relative who works for S&R like their job.

Or are the made up. A quick email to S&R from the OP claiming that he got some knock-off Oakleys which appear to have come from a leak in their supply chain would have them investigating very quickly and they would soon find out if a) your relative has broken their policy and will lose their job or b) your story is bollox and they would inform the police that someone is passing of knock offs as something they got from them.

Giving the OP his money back and dissapearing seems like a tempting option now doesn't it. Even if they are genuine.

Busted!

Why are they always the same colour, which they don't actually make...? You've said they're custom, but then why are you paying extra for that through Snow+Rock when you're selling them on? And they're not an option on the custom programme anyway.

Footflaps +1

the glasses are real. i've got a relative who works for snow+rock who gets me 2 or 3 pairs a year. i sell them on. kept a pair for myself

And if that were the case, then surely you're cutting your own leg off at that price even if you got them at trade.

I suspect Oakley themselves would be mighty peeved to find someone doing this.

Still doesn't answer how they are a colour not available...

And if that were the case, then surely you're cutting your own leg off at that price even if you got them at trade.

Assuming they're paid for, not stock wastage.

Possible scenario... Maybe the relative is buying knock off ones and then selling them to the Oliphant claiming it's some special deal they got through work and that he's being scammed too if he really does believe they are genuine? Benefit of the doubt and all that.