“We are all aware that history is no longer enough.”
That’s so sad. ?
Unfortunately it's going to be the way now that F1 is owned by an American franchise. Was always under threat when Ecclestone was in charge, but he used to screw organisers for his own gains. Allegedly ?
“We are all aware that history is no longer enough.”
That’s so sad
I'm all for history and having races where there's a culture of motorsport, but the circuits also have to ensure they're fitting places for a modern F1 race. Silverstone regularly took a kicking from Bernie because of this, and they have made changes while still keeping much of the essence of the historic track.
A few years ago I went to monza, then the next year Abu Dhabi. The contrast between the two was remarkable - AD has fantastic modern facilities, even air conditioned bogs, but lacked the soul of Monza with its scaffold plank benches and questionable portaloos. AD also seemed to lack the slack approach to security and consequent risk of petty crime that Monza had. The plans for Monza with decent facilities sounds fantastic, but the one problem with the track being so fast is that the race is over before you know it
Monza has had a stay of execution for a couple of weeks
i think they have another 7 years, haven’t they? Or did the story update after this was posted?
Yeah, I'm a bit confused by the 'sad' comments. The article says Monza will be on the calendar until at least 2031 unless I've missed something (quite possible).
Silverstone regularly took a kicking from Bernie because of this, and they have made changes while still keeping much of the essence of the historic track.
I think Bernie gave Silverstone a kicking to extract as much money as he could out of the place...
A few years ago I went to monza, then the next year Abu Dhabi. The contrast between the two was remarkable – AD has fantastic modern facilities, even air conditioned bogs, but lacked the soul of Monza with its scaffold plank benches and questionable portaloos. AD also seemed to lack the slack approach to security and consequent risk of petty crime that Monza had.
I went to MotoGP when it transitioned from Donington to Silverstone and, whilst the facilities are undoubtably nicer, it was such a cold, sterile environmrnt by comparison. Mugello's even more spartan, but I'd take the atmosphere and mayhem of one Mugello over the shiny facilities of a thousand Abu Dhabis.
Yeah, I’m a bit confused by the ‘sad’ comments.
The sadness was about history no longer being enough. 🙁
it was such a cold, sterile environmrnt
Every MotoGP event is cold and sterile as no bugger goes to them. You can have a whole row of seat in the grandstand to yourself.
As evidence to the contrary, I present Mugello, M'lud. 🙂
They do need to sort out the aero, stupid ride-height stuff and electronics, though - it has become dull. 🙁
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Another FIA departee takes a swipe at Ben...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sacked-f1-race-steward-mayer-takes-aim-at-fia-president/10677275/
...is Ben modelling his approach on Jean-Marie Balestre! 🙂
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sacked-f1-race-steward-mayer-takes-aim-at-fia-president/10677275/
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I only follow F1 very loosely these days but seeing that link took me back to when I occasionally used to meet with his dad, Teddy Mayer, over at McLaren's at the trading estate at Colnbrook where they used to run the odd racing car up and down the road. Very different from their headquarters now in Woking.
its sad to see Hamilton reflecting on his lack of speed. His normal upbeat approach seems to have gone. Not sure how much is down to leaving and sidelined if so by Mercedes. I hope he get back to his best but looking at Schumacher, Vettel and somewhat Alonso in their later years it seems things move on.
So the four contenders for the second Red Bull seat finished 16th, 17th, 18th, and 20th. Carlos Slim's going to have to pony up some serious cash if he wants Perez to stay on the grid next year.
I don’t think there’s any amount of money that would make RB keep Perez. He just looks done and they really need an effective number 2 driver. They should be at least in with a shout for the constructors championship.
Verstappen has been given a penalty for obstructing Russell, so Russell is back on pole (source: BBC)
Bit of an odd penalty. I think the key bit in the stewards document is the bit about Max cooling his tyres. I.e. they think he was outside the delta for selfish reasons opposed to avoiding traffic.
I don't recall anybody getting a penalty point and a grid drop for doing that though.
I thought the key bit was checking his mirrors several times then parking it on the racing line anyway. Still a weird penalty though
Ruddy ‘ell - is it the end of season Formula Ford festival!? 🙂
What an absolute farce. Is there any point in watching this sport any more?
Feels like Abu Dhabi 2021 all over again
Well that was bonkers!!
It really looks like the mass exodus of top people from the FIA is really starting to affect the smooth running of the grand prix. I’m expecting Mohammed Ben Sulayem to go over the winter
So Ocon is being replaced by Doohan for final race!
Interesting protest by Hamilton. Threatened to quit, then when Mercedes accepted(?) that, he stays out. Is that an FU? With the questions regarding the lap time delta and statements he’s made to state that the car handling is perfect, does Lewis think he knows they’ve turned his cars performance down?
As the commentators said, I think he’s close to not turning up next week, but he will for the fans and undoubtably be at least vocal about that very reasoning above all else.
Threatened to quit, then when Mercedes accepted(?) that, he stays out.
I thought he asked to come in and they said no, so he stayed out.
They then said yes and he then stayed out and overtook some cars!
Kinda feel for him, he was on the end of some tough calls.
Looking forward to seeing him in red.
Max calling out Woody!!… 🙂
https://twitter.com/roblmyers/status/1863299276945678378?s=46&t=EQoHg-RGok071Fjc15ZHKw
After watching that, I’m really glad I don’t pay specifically for F1 anymore. CBA to go through it but that was awful.
Found that whole weekend thoroughly bizarre. A track that barely has one overtaking spot, a sprint race that was just a train, driver errors all over the shop, debris that was always going to end in a puncture but they couldn’t be arsed to clear up before it did, penalties everywhere, Hamilton fully throwing the towel in, Red Bull gloating about karma on the radio after the race… ok, nothing bizarre about the last one. But at one point I did wonder how long I’ll keep watching F1.
Lando showed how beaten he is by MV. Twice he had his car alongside and fully backed out. He can't a fight to him, so he's done.
I let my sub for F1 lapse this year and can't see me getting it back for next year.
Oh hang on - Lewis at Ferrari...
Even after a year, the prospect is still tantalising.
Losail really does feel like the wrong circuit for these cars. I know some of the drivers (Piastri for instance) has siad that he really enjoys it, an I can imagine that Qualis here must be quite a lot of fun, but the 'race' is just dull, and I wonder how much of the antics, and mistakes is just borne out of frustration. Plus I think it shows that the season is just a bit too long now, and everyone just wants it to stop.
I’m expecting Mohammed Ben Sulayem to go over the winter
He's another 2 years yet before re-election comes around, and listening to some of the FIA officials (that haven't been sacked) speaking about the GPDA accusations and questions and so forth, I get the impression that they don't really care much about what the folks outside of who they think are their audience, think about how they're doing.
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Lando showed how beaten he is by MV. Twice he had his car alongside and fully backed out. He can’t a fight to him, so he’s done.
Yeah I thought that too, it was the perfect opportunity to show Max that he wasn't always going to back out.
Agree with the above about the circuit, it's just not a great track for F1 at all.
boomerlives
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Lando showed how beaten he is by MV. Twice he had his car alongside and fully backed out. He can’t a fight to him, so he’s done.
Yeah I thought that too, it was the perfect opportunity to show Max that he wasn't always going to back out.
Agree with the above about the circuit, it's just not a great track for F1 at all.
Does show that the Lando challenge was a small glitch in the matrix, Max controlling it all again. Was sad to hear Lewis so downbeat, seems like the towel is thrown in now. Will Ferrari have raised an eyebrow at his attitude?
bails
But McLaren need the points so need to finish the race, Max/RB don’t.
Oh yeah good point, I forgot about that little detail 🙂 presume they will have told him not to dnf under any circumstances.
But McLaren need the points so need to finish the race
But they did not get them. (Well, they got 2, but not 15)
And they won't next race or next year if LN keeps backing out.
I would bet £5 that Pastry wouldn't in the same situation, because he's not yet broken.
it was the perfect opportunity to show Max that he wasn’t always going to back out.
Max is always going to push whoever trying to overtake him on the outside of any corner, it's pretty much SOP for him. I think Lando did the smart thing, McLaren need the points for constructors and the driver's champ is done, why get into a tangle now? Next year will probs be a whole different thing. I'll expect it'll be gloves off again. 50p says that at some point some-one will let the crash happen.
Will Ferrari have raised an eyebrow at his attitude?
Lewis is back on “Team” almost immediately after the race, in that regard he’s exceptional. I bet his friendliness with Toto is being pushed to the limits after he’s shown the level of respect he’s prepared to give to an 8 x world champ (yes 8, I’m including the one he was robbed of) by hobnailing his car to pay for his disloyalty.
Looks like the hype for Colapinto is cooling. The cost of buying him from Williams and the car rebuild costs must have the bean counters worried! 🙂
hobnailing his car to pay for his disloyalty.
I don't for a second believe that Merc would do this, I'm absolutely certain that everyone in the team is disappointed that they haven't been able to give Hamilton a car capable of winning races consistently. Hamilton has always had a bad habit of saying silly things when he gets frustrated, then he cools off and it's all forgotten. The Merc seems to be a very tricky car to get set up and to drive and Hamilton just hasn't managed to get the most out of it the way Russell has.
