[Closed] Flueless gas fire/stoves?

Aren't they called 'balanced flue'? Ie, they need to have a vent to outside still but it is just a hole in the wall directly behind the appliance? (So it needs to be sited on an outside wall)

I once nearly needed one (house purchase fell through) and at the time there was a good selection and some nice looking ones, but they were about 30% more than conventional fires. From what I remember, they work just as well.

Pretty sure you need a vent through the wall of the lounge to compensate. My Dads isn't behind the appliance though, about 3m away

Look at Stovax website - pretty sure there were some on there. Nice modern looking things - I was looking for wood burners at the time so didn't pay too much attention (beyond - will she notice if its fake wood and I don't have to bother cutting wood anymore...)

I read that as fuel-less. I'll have one of those!

main thing is you get 100 % efficiency from them as they dont flue exhaust gases

you do get some condensation and you do need to fit an air brick - which you do with a real fire anyway.

http://www.burley.co.uk/product.php?cid=2&rid=8

most folk cannot tell it is gas as it does look like a real fire but it is controlable as well.

Some useful info on the site as well

http://www.burley.co.uk/information.php?cid=2

works really well and enough to do the room easily.
i think the non stove versions may not be as good at getting the heat out- other models are on that site for you to check

thanks

oh happy days . one of the smiles of any day is being asked to attend a home with a flueless gas fire.

every single one i ve attended was classed as immediately dangerous and discounnected.
several VERY ( life threatening) important issues to clarify.

positioning..
the clearances surrounding are critical.
the size of the room is critical.
the presence of a vent ( not an airbrick) is essential the position of the vent is critical.

practicalities..

the prescence of the large vent means the room is open to the outside airtemps all day every day.. and of course the cold air outside rushes in to the warm room where air temp is higher all day every day.. commonly called a draught

the heat from the appliance is neglible as thier prime function is decoration not as a space heater..

so for me.. I'm out..

We have a lounge without a chimney breast or a flue. We'd like to fit a gas fire in there so we can have a nice fire for cold mornings/evenings without putting the central heating on.

We have the same. Installed a logburner instead.

the prescence of the large vent means the room is open to the outside airtemps all day every day.. and of course the cold air outside rushes in to the warm room where air temp is higher all day every day.. commonly called a draught

the heat from the appliance is neglible as thier prime function is decoration not as a space heater

Do you want to visit and see a safe one as you seem to be very unlucky?
What do you do call outs to folks with broken fires only to find them broken?

I have one of those Burley flue-less stoves.

http://www.burley.co.uk/product.php?cid=2&rid=8&mid=34

They get hot. Like really, really hot. You need to install a decent vent to prevent condensation, but that can be anywhere in the room so we chose a suitably out-of-the-way corner and the outside of the vent has a cover over it to prevent water dripping in and drafts.

They are extremely efficient as you are not venting hot air up a chimney/flue.

If you are thinking about some sort of mantelpiece/fireplace, make sure you get all the clearance number off the Burley website. Basically, you need to make sure you leave enough space around it.

We installed a slate hearth and backplate with a solid wood fireplace around that. I'll try to dig up a photo...

We have had a Focalpoint coal effect unit for 9 years now. It is serviced and the exhaust gas from the catalytic converter is checked every year. an air brick is mandatory and I have also put a carbon monoxide alarm in the room. It chucks out a mahoosive amount of heat as none is wasted but ours only has one flame setting so it is either on or off controlled by its own thermostat. More modern ones may have a variable flame to give that background heat/look that open units have. Would definitely get another.

A mate reckons you can do it with a flueless fire/stove that just attaches to the wall then gets plumbed in.

You can, they have a catalytic convertor in the flue that removes the unwanted products from combustion, to make them safe to use in a room with no chimney

Aren't they called 'balanced flue'

Nope, that's a sealed unit flued through the wall.

Pretty sure you need a vent through the wall of the lounge to compensate

Usually 100cm2 for air circulation. The room usually needs to be a minimum size too.

lounge is 21' L x 11' W x 8' H so plenty big enough

is that an original single room, or a knocked through, through room? does it have an arch-way or such like, could doors be re-instated in future?

it's an original single room, (ex-council house so a robust but dated design - I've no idea why it's so big)

Well your installer should be able to find one that will go in that room (guessing it's about 50M3) but you'll still need a 100cm2 vent I'd imagine.

The smallest Burley (2.5kW) requires only 30m3
http://www.burley.co.uk/installation.php?cid=2

Druidh

STOP NOW

your vent is there to supply fresh air to the appliance, NOT to prevent condensation.
your vent is ILLEGAL if it has any means to restrict air flow ie a cover to prevent raindrops and draughts..
the instructions for your unit have specific requirements for the position of the vent.. and they dont include the words.. ''an out of the way corner''

such gas burning appliances are a serious health risk if not installed exactly to the manufacturers instructions by a competant person.

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such gas burning appliances are a serious health risk if not installed exactly to the manufacturers instructions by a competant person.
Which it was. So go into a "quiet corner" and reflect.

Other then Flue-less, are there any other types of gas appliance that could be used in the room ?

or you could just put the CH on...

I have an open coal effect gas fire in the lounge; it was fitted when we bought the house last year. Not sure what type it is but the vent outside is plastic and it has two settings high & low.

Given that the house is insulated the rads have automatic temperature vales and the boiler is serviced and we have has good central heating controls we find that we never use it.

We did try it out last winter but the room got way to hot even on low, so we ended up with the door open to let the heat out in to the hallway.

The one thing that it is really great at is causing a draft and the fire and its surround was like a massive cold spot in the room last winter.

As soon as I can afford it I going to have it removed.