[Closed] First car that doesn't cost a bomb and can carry bikes?

Any small hatch/estate will carry 2 bikes etc, and tbh saloons will with a rack.

As you've pointed out, its insurance that's the problem - s/h cars are cheap. Just find the cheapest insurance deal, something with no 'style' for a young driver - Kia?

Have a sniff around some 'grandpa' cars and price up insurance - we had a Mazda 323 and the insurance (even with a pile of NCD) was less than the Fiesta/Corsa/Micra route we first looked at, even with a 1.5 engine. Insurance company pointed out they were less desireable, less nickable and less likely to be driven by 'cool' boy racer out to impress the girls...

Yaris I think may fall into this category as well....

What about a diesel a non turbo they have low hpower and might save you some cash on fuel.
As said above get some thing that young lads don't drive.
Look for a insurance company that fits a tracker ie http://www.coverbox.co.uk/young_drivers.php there is plenty more out there.
Good luck.

306 dturbo is pretty damn good. Workhorse of an engine and can fit 3 bikes with kit inside

You will probably be better off hiring - if you can find a place that will hire to under 21 year olds. I hired cars at uni, there were one or two places that hired.

But as above - any small car will carry two bikes in the back with the seats down.

PS What car lists insurance groups, doesn't it?

Get quotes for every car you can think of. Insurance groups are irrelevant as they reflect the costs of repairing your motor. The major worry for the insurer of a new driver is you driving into a new BMW or causing a major personal injury claim.

Oddly enough, it's the cars that are vaguely cool or are likely to have been paid for by mummy and Daddy that are pricey to insure.

I'd just get quotes for everything you can afford to put fuel in. I found a 1.8 Mondeo cheaper to insure than the 1.3 Ka I mangled in my yoof...

Fiat Grande punto on swift cover - 850 a year with no no claims - this is my first car btw

Also, look at yaris'/berlingos & a Honda jazz on swift cover, all come under 900. It's also cheaper to say you work as a teaching assistant, car is parked on public roads & It's used as commuting only! Only way I can get affordable insurance.

Fiat panda..I can get two bikes in mine with wheels and seatposts out, I've got a multijet diesel which is insurance group two, £30 P/A tax and does an average of 60mpg
Top little car 😀

Also they do a 1.3 non turbo deseil Grande punto, mostly owned by oaps

I though a diesel made no difference and they rated cars on engine size predominantly

Cheers for all the replies,

Good idea about getting a car that isn't a 'young persons' car I'll have a look and see what i get, if i could get it below 2 grand i'd be very happy!

I am worried about getting a very small car such as a Ford Ka as my bikes a large framed giant anthem and i'll probably go with a mate who'd have another bike. They'd only just fit in my parents mazda 6.

Would a diesel make any difference to insurance?, i've only been looking at petrol engined cars as they're the more popular, but i'm not bothered about trying to look cool in it, it'll rarely be used apart from going to races and riding spots as I cycle to work and get the bus to town etc.

I had looked down the hired car route but very, very few companies will have me as im young so that options out i'm afraid. I'd also use it probably every weekend so it would cost a lot as well.

I havn't read 'what car?' but i'll pick up a copy tommorrow if it's got some good advice in it.

For insurance try Quinn. My kids drove a Yaris and insurance was below £1000. The Jazz is a very practical car for biking, just lacks some street cred !

Have you thought about talking to the insurance companies to see what they would recommend and taking it from there?

Get a tracker fitted and unless you really need to drive at night, get a curfew applied to your policy between 11pm and 7am.....some insurance companies do this and it will bring down your premium. Ka will be shite for 1 bike let alone 2-my missus drives one and its a squeeze to get a bike in even with the wheels taken off. Kia carens/ceed if you can find one cheap?

"technically a civil servant" Worries me a bit - what exactly do you mean?

Anyone old remember the Citroen LNA /Talbot Samba thing? they were tiny but I got 2 bikes and a weekends kit in one of those and im 6ft 4 so my bikes are big .Also used to get a tt bike on the back seat of an old mini .Wheels out and bars and seat post out 2 bikes go in anything.

There are no hard and fast rules on what cars will be dear to insure.

Insurers will go on what the risk is based on how many claims people with similar demographics to you do in that model of car. Golf SE drivers may make a load more claims than Golf CL drivers, and so the policies will be different prices. The insurers may have zero data for 17 year olds in Kia estates and therefore give out massive quotes.

In other words, they're placing bets on whether you will crash or not, and as to how bad it will be when you do. But nobody is giving out the form book or publishing odds. The only way to sound things out is to get a lot of quotes for a lot of cars.

A friends son in a similar situation just brought a Toyota Corolla, he also looked at Nissan Almera's.

There are quite a few boring hatchbacks which are very capacious - insurance costs involve some odd statistics and tend to be unpredictable but I'd guess at OAP cars like the '01-'05 Civic (which is huge inside) being relatively cheap.

If you actually want to do it cheap consider getting a 'classic' car. A friend got a morris minor insured at 17 for 700 quid or so (a few years back not no that many).

Obviously you'll have to learn to fix it.

You'd be suprised by just how much bike you can squeeze into the back of a car if you get creative, I've got a mate who can comfortably fit two big dh bikes and kit in the back of a clio.

I'm presuming that you still live with your parents? In which case putting them as named drivers on your policy can bring it down quite a bit as the insurance company will see it as you not being the only person who drives the car. I managed to take my first insurance policy down by around £500 doing this.

Don't get a classic car. It'll cost a ton to keep running, in money and time, it'll be rubbish and you'll die if someone bumps you in a supermarket car park.

Also Pakers let you look up insurance group of any car...

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/advice/car-insurance-groups/

No idea if that actually impacts the price for a 17 year old much? I'm 30, driving for 5 years, with 4 years no claims and i'm still paying 700 quid for a ford mondeo estate!

You'd be suprised by just how much bike you can squeeze into the back of a car if you get creative

This was my first car. 6 bikes in a mini. Dear Carlton, Is this a record?

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When i said i was technically a civil servant i stated this because it's classed as one of the more 'less risky' occupations compared to being a student or mechanical engineer (im a engineering apprentice for the civil service currently studying at college).

Cheers for all the tips regarding choice of car, i'll get some quotes tomorrow and see what i get 😀

Not too sure i like the tracker idea but i'll look into it, if it can save a decent amount it would be worth it.

Not sure if it's been said (it is technically a bit cheeky) but could you be a named driver under your mum or dad, as the fees they charge are ridiculous. They may as well put the driving age up to 25!!

I've also heard of policies for young drivers with a curfew & that they work out cheaper. Perhaps look at that?

My first car was a 1.6 Proton Persona, about as uncool as one can get, but a 1.6 is pretty good for a first car. Had three points on my licence (driven my father's Landy for a year). Could fit five bikes and two peeps in the Proton. There is a 1.3 version, that could be cheap and reasonable size.
Cost me just over £600 to insure y 1.6 version (three time what I paid for it)
Next was a 1.9 non-turbo 306 diesel, gp4 insurance and even cheaper to insure. Try an estate one of these (note 2L HDI ones are much more common, and more expensive to insure)
Old Landys and cheap to insure so if only doing low miles this may offset the cost of the fuel.

Avoid common young peoples cars - Saxos, peugeots, Golfs, Civics, Corsas, Astras etc.

Go for a small petrol engine or 1.5 diesel.

For bikes think about an estate but obviously new driver and long car is not always the best idea. But I'd rather that than a roof mounted system as you might forget they are on the roof one day and go under a low barrier!

PS take a look at Polo estates or something Korean.

For the past hour and a half i have been on gocompare.com etc trying to get my insurance back down to where it was last year.£485 for the coming year.. last year was around £340.Its strange as i have made a few changes and the same company have offered cover for £314.

Anyhow. I added another driver to see if it would bring the cost down, i`m not sure if you could add anyone to your policy.Maybe someone on here could tell you if that would be a bad move for a new driver before wasting time online or on the phone. Check out moneysavingexpert.com and run through all the tips to see if any could help you out.Putting down a high excess etc. I just filled out a heap of online bumph and also wrote down what info i gave them so i can keep track of it all.

carwise.. M reg onwards peugeot 106`s with the 1.5 diesel engine are so good on fuel. More than fast enough for a new driver. The 1.4 versions werent supposed to be very good so maybe try and steer clear. They are cheap to fix,two dh bikes with triple clamp forks can be slid into the boot with both wheels removed no problems.Also really good in the snow.

Theres heaps to choose from so for around £500 you could easily pick something up that will have a years mot with a bit of service history. At these prices its no big deal if the thing dies on you! You mentioned a car from around 2002. I would be looking at cars around 95-99? to keep the costs down. Maybe even older if they are in decent condition.

Tell them the truth and do not modify it!

My first car was a Fiat Seicento and even that was still really expensive to insure - about £1200 3rd party for the first year. My 2nd car, a 1l Micra, was much cheaper at about £700 but I'd also been driving for about 2 years before getting that. The Micra was cheap for tax and petrol.

Put you parents as named drivers on your policy, just about half's my insurance even though they never drive my car.

definitely put your parents down.

Just to make you feel sick my GF who is learning paid £260 for her first years insurance on a 1.6 306 with me on which halved her policy.

I have 11 years no claims and on the same car my best quote is £240! Hopefully the new gender rules will help bring mens down and not just take womens right up.

I could stuff 2 bikes with wheels off in the back of a 1999 corsa with seats down.

My mate gets his bike in the back of a new fiat 500 I do not know how but it fits.
How about a old small van.?

"Just to make you feel sick my GF who is learning paid £260 for her first years insurance on a 1.6 306 with me on which halved her policy."

just to make you feel sick - watch it shoot up the minute she passes !

How about a old small van.?

hahaahahahaahhahaahahahah quality idea except the commercial vehicle tax .... i drive a van and pay double the partner car version in insurance for 3rd party. yet i can insure the car fully comp for half the cost ....

and it cost me 70 quid in fees (not policy change) to change address last week cause im commercial(only im not im social and domestic only) - my missus with a golf with a subsiduary of the same company was 15 quid to change address !

You need something seriously uncool. Get on Autotrader and find the ugliest piece of rubbish, then whack it in for a quote. I saw a contender a few weeks ago, Austin Montego Estate. Not seen one of them in a while 🙂

enigma thats ridiculous costs! What I'd do is get your licence and sit on it for a few years. Seriously. Where abouts do you live? Trains and lifts (from fellow STW'ers) can easily get you about.

I only past my test at 32 as I moved away from the South East. I got about fine before then. 2.8k a year is ridiculous considering you wont even be earning that much compared.

as said above look at 10 yo cars that some of your peers wouldn't be seen dead in. the less bodykits available the less the insurance.

i would be looking at a passat/ 306/ astra estate etc.

vans are a no go - private insurance for commercials is mental. commercial insurance for under 25s is mental too. no win.

Pass plus doesn't save money, social and domestic doesn't always save money vs commuting / business use, third party typically costs more than comprehensive.

At least that is how it worked out for me.

The best thing you can do is get a licence as early as possible, and get a car as late as possible - even 6 months on your licence makes a big difference compared to 0 months (it was 1400 to 700 for me)

Don't do dodgy things lying about occupation or who is the main driver, as if you get caught on those you are buggered.

If you're living with parents, check out how much a multi-car policy including your car would cost (obviously with you as main driver for your car ).

I found that type of car made little difference except for newish ones or the obvious hot hatches / powerful engine things being dead expensive.

The best thing you can do is get a licence as early as possible, and get a car as late as possible - even 6 months on your licence makes a big difference compared to 0 months (it was 1400 to 700 for me)

Back 10 years ago this didn't make much difference, my other half learned to drive and then waited 2 years before getting a car and her first insurance was extortionate - they're smart, they realise you haven't been driving in that period and therefore are probably juts more likely to have forgotten what you learned.

My advice is buy a cheap, simple small car, get in it and get driving it ASAP.

FWIW a 306 is a good plan but unless you're planning mega miles I'd go with a small petrol engine not the D, as the D's are slow as hell, but still higher insurance, the Dturbos are worse still on insurance but nbippy and the HDi's are great but possibly higher again insurance. Diesel insurance goes up because you're heavier and tend to do more damage to a 3rd party when hitting them. A little 1.1 petrol thing is ideal, I had a 205 as a first car 🙂

Back 10 years ago this didn't make much difference, my other half learned to drive and then waited 2 years before getting a car and her first insurance was extortionate -they're smart, they realise you haven't been driving in that period and therefore are probably juts more likely to have forgotten what you learned

I dunno, possibly depends on age (i'm 33), or is possibly just a difference between then and now (insurance particularly for new drivers is totally different now to ten years ago) , but like I say, for me, with the same car and insurance company, 6 months made a massive difference, 50% cheaper.

It is easy to check anyway, just bung in your details and change the months driving and you can see what they do in response to it.

My first car was a 1.8 TDi Escort Estate. Cost 900 quid to buy, 500 quid to insure, and did 3 bikes and 3 people + gear easily. Pretty nippy too as whilst only 90bhp, it didn't weigh a great deal.

However, I think insurance companies are now on to the fact that diesels can be quite nippy. Back then if you were young and had to pay for your own insurance, it was either a big diesel estate, or a 1 litre petrol noddy car. Not sure if that's still the case, but it was certainly a lot cheaper to insure my big diesels than when I went to a petrol Golf...

Don't get a classic car. It'll cost a ton to keep running, in money and time, it'll be rubbish and you'll die if someone bumps you in a supermarket car park.

I bought an MG midget.

£350 for insurance, 40mpg, looks cool, makes lots of noise, and is actualy fun to drive unlike a modern box.

Maintenance can be a problem if youre not spanner savy, but the only things that have gone wrong on mine are either routine bits that any car has (points(ok, these only happen in old cars but are 5 minute job to replace and cost £2/set), clutch, brake pads, bearings, etc), or went wrong through lack of use, eg it was faultless for 2 years commuting, but lots of stuff went wrong when I didnt use it for 6 months.

Wouldn't want to crash it at any speed though, there really is no protection.

It is easy to check anyway, just bung in your details and change the months driving and you can see what they do in response to it.

Indeed, and that's the easy way to find the best car. Make a database of all the cars you fancy, run them all through the comparison sites and then run one of them with a few different variations in circumstance, bingo - you've mapped the insurance landscape and can make a sensible choice. Any car will carry bikes, my old 205 regularly fitted 2 MTBs, a bunch of kitesurfing and camping kit all at once.

haven't read the whole thread here but I also just passed my test and couldn't see why it would be £4k to get insured Third Party Only. Yes, £4k! Admittedly it was on a van but all the same. And then I tried changing it to fully comp and adding a £500 voluntary excess. Insurance fell to £999. Bargain.

So my advice (and what I'm going to do) is buy the cheapest thing (under a grand) you can get away with that seems reliable enough, put a £500 excess on it and do it fully comp.

Let me know if it works...