[Closed] Pillock in a jag (Unbelieveabe content)

Who modded my title??? I prefer my version

Go and rip his wing mirrors off. It will make you feel better.

Original title was a little bit too sweary for the mods I guess.
At least no-one was hurt.

Sorry 😳

Go do scooter burnouts by his house, that'll learn him 🙂

I could make a wild accusation as to why he thinks this is OK, but I'd be called a racist. So I won't

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My apologies for the original title to anyone who thought it was too much.

You should have pulled the keys out of his ignition and ridden off with them.

Then dropped them down a drain for good measure. 😀

He sounds an arse.

That said, anytime you flash another car to allow them out of a junction, I reckon you're asking for trouble. Sticking to the rules of the road is better for everyone.

Ahhhh ha,
I see your problem,

The word Jaguar and Car appears in your thread.

There, there it is, Jag.

Sweaty content allowed in those circumstances.

Hang on....why did my post get deleted?

[b]Sweaty[/b] content allowed in those circumstances.

😀

when I had my motor bike I witnessed this alot, all you have to do is get racing bike gloves, rub off the outer kevlar over the knuckes and they can scratch up the car that cut you up at the next lights/junction if you wish to exact that kind of revenge.

But then again, on a scooter you wont be able get away as quick as you may like to

That said, anytime you flash another car to allow them out of a junction, I reckon you're asking for trouble. Sticking to the rules of the road is better for everyone.

I didn't flash. I waved to them in a regal manner, a sweeping gesture

For the record, our scooter is physically quite large and pretty quick. It's probably as big and a bit taller than most sports bikes

What I think he thought was that I was a 16 year old kid and he could do what he likes. When confronted by a chunky northener (Well, midlands, but I'm in the south, so it's all the same to you lot) who wasn't backing down, he shat his pants and got lost. Despite the army uniform.

I could make a wild accusation as to why he thinks this is OK, but I'd be called a racist. So I won't

So you are a racist then?

I'd love to get revenge like this some day...

So you are a racist then?

*puts kettle on*

You should have pulled the keys out of his ignition and ridden off with them.

Then dropped them down a drain for good measure.

Surely he should have shot the man with a legally held shotgun, no?

So you are a racist then?

Might as well make my wild accusation in that case. 😛

I think he was a Gurkha, or at least he looked like one. I'd say in his 50s, wearing a camo uniform of some kind. His English was better than most Gurkhas I've met, very good in fact, but I think his army background, shall we say, led him to think he could do what the hell he liked.

But then again, on a scooter you wont be able get away as quick as you may like to

No problem whatsoever, my friend. even a slight amount of traffic and it'll murder anything else on the road for speed 🙂

Didn't need it though. He buggered off.

Tell you what though. I don't think I swore at him. Missed a trick there.

So his racial origin had nothing to do with matters then, more his allged overinflated sense of self-importance and entitlement?

I don't think that's racist at all. i don't know why you would think anyone else would either.

Why did you stop?

So his racial origin had nothing to do with matters then

I don't think so, no, but you know what STW is like once you mention anything along the lines of 'foreign'!! 🙂

Uniform? Is there a local base? Is there a C.O. who takes an interest in the relationship that camp has With civilians?

Why would him having an arrogant attitude based on his previous profession make you a racist?

Making an assumption on his knowledge of / compliance with british road rules based on his skin colour or ethnic background would likely get you accused of being a racist though.

What a lucky escape

I don't think so, no, but you know what STW is like once you mention anything along the lines of 'foreign'!!

Foreign? Are you sure he wasn't British? I once met a brown chap who swore blind he was born in England.

Same for me yesterday...

Cycling up a busy road which has a cycle lane wide enough for two riders.

As we approach a section of road that has a pedestrian pontoon in the middle of the road I pull out to overtake the slower cyclist - I'm still in the marked cycle lane... suddenly matey boy in a Green Golf is trying to push me over so he can pass before he slams into the pontoon - slows down and veers into the cycle lane beeping at me and telling me to "****ing watch where you're going you stupid ****" (the latter may be fair comment but the first was bang out of order).

I catch him up at the next set of lights and we both exchange customary greetings - me pointing out the Highway code tells drivers to give cyclists room when passing and that it's pretty dumb to try and overtake at speed when there's a pedestrian pontoon only 15m ahead - him telling me I should watch where I'm going (despite the fact he tried to overtake me at speed from behind).

This is a pretty regular occurrence on my commute - it's almost as if drivers forget to engage their brains when they close the car door. There was no excuse for bad language on either side but it does get a bit depressing when you actually surprise yourself at having got to work / home without someone cutting across you on a roundabout, buzzing you at speed or overtaking only to slow and turn left straight away.

My girlfriend lives in an area with a large population of orthodox Jews. Many of them are terrible drivers; the dents and scratches on their cars is (old) testament to this. We are always very wary of cycling in her area, as the standard of driving is so bad. they simply don't look where they're going, and God/Yehova/Yaweh help you if you are on a bicycle.

Is it racist to apply a stereotype baesd on experience, observation and knowledge?

Why would him having an arrogant attitude based on his previous profession make you a racist?

It wouldn't. But like I said, you know what STW is like.... 🙂 So I've' sealed that argument before it started by posting wisely. Thanks for that. 🙂

This is the junction. As you can see the right turn lane is narrower than some cars. If there's a car in it, it can at times be impossible to filter past. He only did it because I was on a bike. And he must have been in SUCH A RUSH to get the remaining 300-400 yards (That's realistic) home

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I don't see any scooters, jaguars or ghurkas in that picture!

Is it racist to apply a stereotype [b]baesd[/b] on experience, observation and knowledge?

I have to admit this chap did take me by surprise. And as Mrs PP can confirm I almost have a 6th sense for what others are doing on the road. I'm pretty experienced, and it's VERY VERY rare I'm surprised on the roads any more
Thing is, if I'd been riding like I had been 30 seconds earlier though a queue of traffic I'd have been long gone before he had the chance to get near me.

Based. I meant 'based'.

Thin is though; to apply such a stereotype is often prudent, and can help ensure one's safety on the roads. So racist, or simply common sense?

To be fair, there's lots of Nepalese round here. I love 'em. Lovely people. And they cook great curry, keep themselves to themselves, work hard and don't cause any problems.

What if they were crap cooks, stuck their noses into everyone else's business, were lazy and caused loads of bother?

'It wouldn't. But like I said, you know what STW is like.... So I've' sealed that argument before it started by posting wisely. Thanks for that.

I'm still not entirely sure why you would even connect the two things together. And I'm even more unsure of why you'd make reference to it at all if you thought forumites would pick you up on it, particularly as it definitely totally isn't what you meant.

So racist, or simply common sense?

to apply such a stereotype is often prudent, and can help ensure one's safety on the roads.

Thanks for the tip concerning orthodox Jews mikeconnor.

Is there anything I need to look out for or do they all pretty much look like this ?

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I met a black man in Plymouth who told me he thought the NHS was too reliant on immigrants.

EDIT: where could I get one of those hats?

PP, in that picture were you going straight on and the jag turning right?

Thanks for the tip concerning orthodox Jews mikeconnor.

You're welcome.

Is there anything I need to look out for or do they all pretty much look like this ?

Yes, pretty much. But they do great food, keep themselves to themselves pretty much, and don't cause much bother.

Racist, or whichever -ist you wish to apply.
You're making an assumption on a person's character simply based on a belief you have that all

It's not a 'belief', it's caution based on observation, experience and knowledge. A bit like noticing that most football hooligans appear to be white.

where could I get one of those hats?

Try Stamford Hill. I'm sure you could get the entire ensemble if you so wished.

Ooo an argument about a theoretical argument. Yossarian, you are a star 🙂

A bit like noticing that most football hooligans appear to be white.

Of course it's a belief. You see an Orthodox Jew and believe that they are going to drive badly based on previous experience rather than on their driving style.

A bit like noticing that most football hooligans appear to be white.

Ooo an argument about a theoretical argument. Yossarian, you are a star

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Ooo an argument about a theoretical argument. Yossarian, you are a star

Try Stamford Hill. I'm sure you could get the entire ensemble if you so wished.

Thanks. I think I'll give the suit a miss, but that hat is superb.

To get back to the original rant, do I understand this correctly? PP was turning right using the slip lane and waved a learner out into the traffic coming up behind him?

To be fair, I think you're not supposed to wave drivers out are you? I certainly wouldn't if it was a learner driver waiting to do a right turn and I was in a filter where other traffic would come up behind me. Especially as it's a learner driver. It's probably better to let him/her and his/her instructor make that decision.

EDIT: which is what I think Buccaneer is getting at.

EDIT SQUARED: which doesn't mean that the OP's intentions were good...we should all give learners a break. Nor does it forgive the behaviour of the Jag driver.

Of course it's a belief. You see an Orthodox Jew and believe that they are going to drive badly based on previous experience rather than on their driving style.

Fair enough. but is it actually 'racist'? Given that my actions aren't motivated by fear, anger or hatred, but a sense of self-preservation.

Not at all the same. Assuming all white football fans are hooligans based on seeing that most hooligans are white, would be closer, based on what you've said.

If I was looing to avoid being caught up in an outbreak of football holiganism, would it not be prudent to be on the lookout for large groups of white males, in areas surrounding football grounds? A situation we found ourselves in last weekend, whilst travelling near Millwall FC's ground. Given that club's history of football hooliganism, was it not prudent for us to exercise caution when encountering large groups of white males in that particular area?

Exactly DD, I'd let them decide what to do in their own time. I'd hate to watch it all go wrong because they didn't nip out as quick as I expected.

PP, in that picture were you going straight on and the jag turning right?

No, both going right.
I stopped in the right turn lane, he was behind me, but came round on my left and turned right in front of me as the learner I was letting out (Fairly heavy traffic from the college everywhere) pulled out to turn right. He cut 2 vehicles up in one sweet manoeuvre
I live less than 1/2 mile down that road, Jag bloke less than half that.....

Racism is surely ascribing characteristics to people you don't know, based on race..?

PP if you'd said old codger in an old Audi A4 I'd have though it was the same bloke from my road rage incident earlier. A similar manouevre.

Thanks. I think I'll give the suit a miss, but that hat is superb.

A shtreimel is what you want. a real fur one of course. Be prepared to cough up though, they cost a fortune!

Bloody hell, they're a bit pricey. I might have to go for a synthetic one seeing as I'm not too keen on wearing fur.

To be fair, I think you're not supposed to wave drivers out are you?

So? You don't have to say please and thank you either. But some people are just too nice I guess. I turn down that road and pull out of it all the time. I know it can be a right PIG to pull out of it, so it's very nice to be let out, and I return the favour when possible. That's one of the main roads into and out of a very large housing estate. There's a big college there, there's big busses all over the place at home time, it gets VERY busy. Manners cost me nothing and as I'm 30 seconds from home, it' no skin off my back

What's worse?
a) Letting someone out of a junction when "You're not supposed to"
b) Cutting round in front of someone stopped to turn right

????????????

I'm getting a clearer picture, Jag man was behind in the slip lane then pulled a rather outrageous maneuver to go around PP. I hope he realised he was an idiot and felt so ashamed all he could think to say was 'why did you stop?'

Bloody hell, they're a bit pricey

Don't be so....er, never mind.

Racism is surely ascribing characteristics to people you don't know, based on race..?

So if I said that all the Indians round here cooked great curry, kept themselves to themselves and didn't cause any bother would that be racist?

PP if you'd said old codger in an old Audi A4 I'd have though it was the same bloke from my road rage incident earlier. A similar manouevre.

Really?
Tell you what, you know my £400 Omega, well it's off to the scrappers on Monday. If I'd have been in that I'd have driven into the side of him as he came round.

So if I said that all the Indians round here cooked great curry, kept themselves to themselves and didn't cause any bother would that be racist?

That would make you a troll. Stop it. I'm not rising to you any more. All you've been trying to do this whole thread is make yourself look clever an cause arguments. It's not working. 🙂

Jag man was behind in the slip lane then pulled a rather outrageous maneuver to go around PP.

Yep

I hope he realised he was an idiot and felt so ashamed all he could think to say was 'why did you stop?'

Nope

Jeez, easy tiger! That's why I said (if you'd read it):

which doesn't mean that the OP's intentions were good...we should all give learners a break. Nor does it forgive the behaviour of the Jag driver.

However, I think that in the situation you describe, and having looked at the road layout, if it were a normal driver pulling out, I'd have a look in the rear view, if it were clear, I'd wave them out because it's the nice thing to do. If there was traffic approaching from behind, I'd just do my own manoeuvre and be done with it. If it was a learner driver, trying to do a right turn, I would turn right, giving them plenty of room as I went round and let them and their instructor decide when it's good to turn, no matter what traffic was approaching from the rear.

I know you were trying to do the right thing and that's just the type of guy you are 🙂 However, in this case, I think you took a wrong decision, which was compounded by the Jag driver being a dickhead.

Mail me his Reg and Address.

I'll pop him in the 'To Cull' list for when i'm in charge.
We'll be culling out all the bad blood and he seems to meet the criteria.

Would you wear a shtreimel though, Peter?

I'd have a look in the rear view, if it were clear, I'd wave them out because it's the nice thing to do.

This is what I don't understand. If the road behind is clear, why stop to let them out... you'd be faster to complete your maneuver and just get out of their way? No?

I do let people out of junctions if it's busy though... not so sure on ones where there is a filter lane for the right turn though.

This is what I don't understand. If the road behind is clear, why stop to let them out... you'd be faster to complete your maneuver and just get out of their way? No?

That's true! Well spotted. But sometimes I'm so nice I can't help myself. Depending on the right turn and the vehicle I'm driving, it might just be easier to let them out, though in the OP's case, your point stands as there's plenty of room to get around the driver coming out.

I think I'd be more likely to wave them out if me doing my right turn was holding up a line of traffic too.

EDIT: Jesus Christ, I nearly forgot. Obviously, I'd watch out for a cyclists coming up on the inside too.

That would make you a troll. Stop it. I'm not rising to you any more. All you've been trying to do this whole thread is make yourself look clever an cause arguments. It's not working.

I think it is actually. See I personally think your comments were just a teeny weeny bit racist. And I think you decided to try and cover it up when challenged. So you should expect a few pokes in the ribs really shouldn't you?

LOL.

IME orthodox Jews in Manchester are excellent drivers FWIW. 😉

But do they do great food ?

I think I'll give the suit a miss, but that hat is superb

Oh, and

I know you were trying to do the right thing and that's just the type of guy you are However, in this case, I think you took a wrong decision

I once met a brown chap who swore blind he was born in England.

Pssst. Where you were born does not determine your nationality. 😉

Edit: And by this I'm saying that if my partner gave birth to a child in the US whilst on holiday, the child would be 100% British...not American.

What I think he thought was that I was a 16 year old kid and he could do what he likes. When confronted by a chunky northener (Well, midlands, but I'm in the south, so it's all the same to you lot) who wasn't backing down, he shat his pants and got lost. Despite the army uniform.

i doubt that if he was a ghurka

The Thought Police seem busy tonight

They are kept busy by the lack of thought posters though

But do they do great food ?

This is important. Can't abide minority communities that don't do good food.

Lucky we are the majority eh

Depends on who we are.

Just keep yourself to yourself and don't cause trouble.

What if I make nice food?