Try Stamford Hill. I'm sure you could get the entire ensemble if you so wished.
Thanks. I think I'll give the suit a miss, but that hat is superb.
To get back to the original rant, do I understand this correctly? PP was turning right using the slip lane and waved a learner out into the traffic coming up behind him?
To be fair, I think you're not supposed to wave drivers out are you? I certainly wouldn't if it was a learner driver waiting to do a right turn and I was in a filter where other traffic would come up behind me. Especially as it's a learner driver. It's probably better to let him/her and his/her instructor make that decision.
EDIT: which is what I think Buccaneer is getting at.
EDIT SQUARED: which doesn't mean that the OP's intentions were good...we should all give learners a break. Nor does it forgive the behaviour of the Jag driver.
Of course it's a belief. You see an Orthodox Jew and believe that they are going to drive badly based on previous experience rather than on their driving style.
Fair enough. but is it actually 'racist'? Given that my actions aren't motivated by fear, anger or hatred, but a sense of self-preservation.
Not at all the same. Assuming all white football fans are hooligans based on seeing that most hooligans are white, would be closer, based on what you've said.
If I was looing to avoid being caught up in an outbreak of football holiganism, would it not be prudent to be on the lookout for large groups of white males, in areas surrounding football grounds? A situation we found ourselves in last weekend, whilst travelling near Millwall FC's ground. Given that club's history of football hooliganism, was it not prudent for us to exercise caution when encountering large groups of white males in that particular area?
Exactly DD, I'd let them decide what to do in their own time. I'd hate to watch it all go wrong because they didn't nip out as quick as I expected.
PP, in that picture were you going straight on and the jag turning right?
No, both going right.
I stopped in the right turn lane, he was behind me, but came round on my left and turned right in front of me as the learner I was letting out (Fairly heavy traffic from the college everywhere) pulled out to turn right. He cut 2 vehicles up in one sweet manoeuvre
I live less than 1/2 mile down that road, Jag bloke less than half that.....
Racism is surely ascribing characteristics to people you don't know, based on race..?
PP if you'd said old codger in an old Audi A4 I'd have though it was the same bloke from my road rage incident earlier. A similar manouevre.
Thanks. I think I'll give the suit a miss, but that hat is superb.
A shtreimel is what you want. a real fur one of course. Be prepared to cough up though, they cost a fortune!
Bloody hell, they're a bit pricey. I might have to go for a synthetic one seeing as I'm not too keen on wearing fur.
To be fair, I think you're not supposed to wave drivers out are you?
So? You don't have to say please and thank you either. But some people are just too nice I guess. I turn down that road and pull out of it all the time. I know it can be a right PIG to pull out of it, so it's very nice to be let out, and I return the favour when possible. That's one of the main roads into and out of a very large housing estate. There's a big college there, there's big busses all over the place at home time, it gets VERY busy. Manners cost me nothing and as I'm 30 seconds from home, it' no skin off my back
What's worse?
a) Letting someone out of a junction when "You're not supposed to"
b) Cutting round in front of someone stopped to turn right
????????????
I'm getting a clearer picture, Jag man was behind in the slip lane then pulled a rather outrageous maneuver to go around PP. I hope he realised he was an idiot and felt so ashamed all he could think to say was 'why did you stop?'
Bloody hell, they're a bit pricey
Don't be so....er, never mind.
Racism is surely ascribing characteristics to people you don't know, based on race..?
So if I said that all the Indians round here cooked great curry, kept themselves to themselves and didn't cause any bother would that be racist?
PP if you'd said old codger in an old Audi A4 I'd have though it was the same bloke from my road rage incident earlier. A similar manouevre.
Really?
Tell you what, you know my £400 Omega, well it's off to the scrappers on Monday. If I'd have been in that I'd have driven into the side of him as he came round.
So if I said that all the Indians round here cooked great curry, kept themselves to themselves and didn't cause any bother would that be racist?
That would make you a troll. Stop it. I'm not rising to you any more. All you've been trying to do this whole thread is make yourself look clever an cause arguments. It's not working. 🙂
Jag man was behind in the slip lane then pulled a rather outrageous maneuver to go around PP.
Yep
I hope he realised he was an idiot and felt so ashamed all he could think to say was 'why did you stop?'
Nope
Jeez, easy tiger! That's why I said (if you'd read it):
which doesn't mean that the OP's intentions were good...we should all give learners a break. Nor does it forgive the behaviour of the Jag driver.
However, I think that in the situation you describe, and having looked at the road layout, if it were a normal driver pulling out, I'd have a look in the rear view, if it were clear, I'd wave them out because it's the nice thing to do. If there was traffic approaching from behind, I'd just do my own manoeuvre and be done with it. If it was a learner driver, trying to do a right turn, I would turn right, giving them plenty of room as I went round and let them and their instructor decide when it's good to turn, no matter what traffic was approaching from the rear.
I know you were trying to do the right thing and that's just the type of guy you are 🙂 However, in this case, I think you took a wrong decision, which was compounded by the Jag driver being a dickhead.
Mail me his Reg and Address.
I'll pop him in the 'To Cull' list for when i'm in charge.
We'll be culling out all the bad blood and he seems to meet the criteria.
Would you wear a shtreimel though, Peter?
I'd have a look in the rear view, if it were clear, I'd wave them out because it's the nice thing to do.
This is what I don't understand. If the road behind is clear, why stop to let them out... you'd be faster to complete your maneuver and just get out of their way? No?
I do let people out of junctions if it's busy though... not so sure on ones where there is a filter lane for the right turn though.
This is what I don't understand. If the road behind is clear, why stop to let them out... you'd be faster to complete your maneuver and just get out of their way? No?
That's true! Well spotted. But sometimes I'm so nice I can't help myself. Depending on the right turn and the vehicle I'm driving, it might just be easier to let them out, though in the OP's case, your point stands as there's plenty of room to get around the driver coming out.
I think I'd be more likely to wave them out if me doing my right turn was holding up a line of traffic too.
EDIT: Jesus Christ, I nearly forgot. Obviously, I'd watch out for a cyclists coming up on the inside too.
That would make you a troll. Stop it. I'm not rising to you any more. All you've been trying to do this whole thread is make yourself look clever an cause arguments. It's not working.
I think it is actually. See I personally think your comments were just a teeny weeny bit racist. And I think you decided to try and cover it up when challenged. So you should expect a few pokes in the ribs really shouldn't you?
LOL.
IME orthodox Jews in Manchester are excellent drivers FWIW. 😉
But do they do great food ?
So it's not a hairdo then ? 🙁I think I'll give the suit a miss, but that hat is superb
Oh, and
I know you were trying to do the right thing and that's just the type of guy you are However, in this case, I think you took a wrong decision
agreed
I once met a brown chap who swore blind he was born in England.
Pssst. Where you were born does not determine your nationality. 😉
Edit: And by this I'm saying that if my partner gave birth to a child in the US whilst on holiday, the child would be 100% British...not American.
What I think he thought was that I was a 16 year old kid and he could do what he likes. When confronted by a chunky northener (Well, midlands, but I'm in the south, so it's all the same to you lot) who wasn't backing down, he shat his pants and got lost. Despite the army uniform.
i doubt that if he was a ghurka
The Thought Police seem busy tonight
They are kept busy by the lack of thought posters though
But do they do great food ?
This is important. Can't abide minority communities that don't do good food.
Lucky we are the majority eh
Depends on who we are.
Just keep yourself to yourself and don't cause trouble.
What if I make nice food?
Welcome to Britain
I take it that its down by the head with volvos' round your way mikeconnor?
The Volvos seem to be giving way to Espace type people carriers. Still quite a few 90s volvos around though, those things are seemingly indestructible.
I'd always wondereed why orthodox Jewish people seemed to favour Volvos, in fact it was a proper stereotype when I was growing up.
http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/112_i_m_a_gentile_living.htm
BMWs and Mercedes are notable by their absense. really makes you think about things, if you stop and ponder it.
Oh and for anyone concerned about my 'anti-Semitism'; my girlfriend is Jewish, as are many of my friends (some of my best friends are black/gay/Jewish).
Adn they are some of the most vociferous critics of the driving habits of 'frummers'. One jewish freind has a massive dent on the side of his car following an accident with a member of the orthodox community. Insurance premiums are very high in that area, if you park on the street.
Adn they are some of the most vociferous critics of the driving habits of 'frummers'. One jewish freind has a massive dent on the side of his car following an accident with a member of the orthodox community.
So you've picked up their sectarian prejudices ?
Here's a few things to ponder.
We have all been taught to follow one set of rules - The Highway Code. Courtesy often causes problems. The driver waiting to pull out was no doubt thinking that their manoeuvre is going to take place after you pass to their right. They have no intentions of pulling out until this takes place and its clear to go.
When people get waved out of junctions,anxiousness kicks in and their brains have to work a little overtime to deal with what's ahead. It ends up making the manoeuvre harder as the courteous driver will be sitting and blocking the view of what's to their left (not in your case on a scooter*) so they now have a more dangerous manoeuvre at hand due to your courtesy. They want to pull out quickly so can then make your own manoeuvre but it can often lead to people making the wrong decisions and causing accidents.
Mr Jag may well be a very good driver but approaching from behind he too may have got confused with how both of you were going about your manoeuvres as described in the highway code and thought that the other car driver is LAST to get priority at this junction.. YOU weren't moving... and to make everything actually happen, his split second reaction may have been to go around you.
He might reflect on it and realise what he had done,and when you describe the story of him repeatedly saying 'you were stopped',this probably led to his error as his mind was thinking that drivers on the main road need to pull in first to let the driver filtering out on their way.
It's your courtesy that has led to confusion. Its a shame,Peter.. but this is what happens when the next driver behind isn't taking it as easy as he should to think about it all and just assumes that he needed to get into that road to enable the car to move out.
Again,maybe he IS an arse and was proving a point. That your decision to let the other car out ends up causing other problems.
I like the Irish rural folks' attitude to cars, they don't worry about cosmetics like bumps and scratches, all part of the character, and when they go no more, they just get another.
I know people that are enraged by a scratch and rush to litigation for re-spays costing many hundreds at the drop of a hat.
The Volvo thing was told me by an elderly jew , who was not very orthodox 😉
So you've picked up their sectarian prejudices ?
Hardly. It's a common gripe round here. Another friend lives in Upton Park, and round there, it's young Asian men who seem to be the worst drivers. Point is, it's not 'racist' to point this out, especially not when facts support such claims.
How do they get their driving licenses ? .........these Orthodox Jews and Asians from Upton Park.
Point is, it's not 'racist' to point this out, especially not when facts support such claims.
Is there an opening in the EDL or the BNP for a PR man
IIRC they have lots of facts about races and given how well you did promoting CM it would seem a match made in heaven
How do they get their driving licenses ? .........these Orthodox Jews and Asians from Upton Park.
took a driving test like everyone else?
Bad driving isn't restricted to orthodox Jews and Asians you know.
Is there an opening in the EDL or the BNP for a PR man
IIRC they have lots of facts about races and given how well you did promoting CM it would seem a match made in heaven
Can you really not do any better than that? Pathetic.
