I may take the piss out of the Fire brigade but this is just brilliant. Well done.
https://www.fbu.org.uk/news/2018/12/20/firefighters-win-major-pension-legal-case-against-government
Could this have wider implications then, as the civil service pension scheme was revamped in the same way at the same time based on age?
Maybe.
It is very good indeed I'm currently looking at doing an extra 8 years more than I signed up for, for less money and at a higher monthly cost. Bargain.
Shame it was only the fbu that took it on
It really did make no sense, my mate can retire in 3 years as he planned as he is older than me despite me having 9 years extra in a 30 year scheme, and me being moved to a worse scheme and told to do more years. If that's not age discrimination then I don't know what is
firestarter
Not surprised you're not in the FBU....
I most certainly am I the fbu pete I'm no scab
Firefighters remind me of British Leyland of the '70s but with cracking pensions, so many on their horizontal platforms through the night, doing homers through the day, big car park at their work station, comparing them to nurses on their feet for 12 hr shifts they get it so easy maybe not in the big cities but not many fires now
firestarter
Soz, was going on the name!
Redmex so much bollocks in that post I'm not even replying
Yup not all nurses work 12 hours. 😬
Anyway I created this thread to pat you guys on the back.
Firefighters remind me of British Leyland of the ’70s
What are you on about?
I’m no scab
Oh, as you were.
Firefighters remind me of British Leyland of the ’70s but with cracking pensions, so many on their horizontal platforms through the night, doing homers through the day, big car park at their work station, comparing them to nurses on their feet for 12 hr shifts they get it so easy maybe not in the big cities but not many fires now
Redmex the 1970's are calling and wanting you to return your out of date view of the FS
Thats because despite what you read in the daily fail we do way more than fight fires now.
As for the platforms, take them away. I've said that from the day I joined but the employers will have to pay us a shift allowance for the 14/16 hr nights My NHS wife gets shift allowance for nights/weekends I get nothing. As for the pension I pay over £460 a month 14.7% of my salary for the privilege of my cracking pension.
Today is a fantastic day for those affected, personally I was protected due to being an old bastid. Well done the FBU. I'm hoping this will make changes to other sectors.
I get nothing
That's not quite true is it?
£460 a month 14.7% of my salary
Sounds like you're getting pretty reasonable remuneration, well in excess of the national average.
and what of it? if you stuck in at school maybe you could've joined up. Its a career choice open to all, but not all at suitable. 😏
Sounds like you’re getting pretty reasonable remuneration, well in excess of the national average.
Yup paying in extra gets you more.
and what of it?
That you get far from nothing. Apologies for not making that clear.
That you get far from nothing. Apologies for not making that clear.
Which is not what he argued.
Its a career choice open to all, but not all at suitable.
Well the army seem to cope with the role reasonably well on a much lesser wage whenever you fancy extra hollibobs. 😉
Well the army seem cope with the role reasonably well on a much lesser wage whenever you fancy extra hollibobs.
Well it does give the squaddies something to do when they are bored and running around the northumbrian countryside for weeks on end.
Which is not what he argued.
He pointed out he doesn't get a shift allowance, as many people don't. I pointed out that he does get quite a handsome wage in lieu of his lack of allowance. Apologies for not making that clear.
He pointed out he doesn’t get a shift allowance, as many people don’t. I pointed out that he does get quite a handsome wage in lieu of his lack of allowance. Apologies for not making that clear.
Stop being a pathetic troll.
Well it does give the squaddies something to do when they are bored and running around the northumbrian countryside for weeks on end.
I'm sure they look forward to the extra excitement of fighting fires with scant training and out-dated equipment. 🙂
Yup not all nurses work 12 hours. 😬
Word, as of April the Mrs works 08:30 to 16:30 M-F, no BH or weekends for £37k a year, pension costs a fortune though. It’ll be great when she retires but it’s expensive to pay into.
Stop being a pathetic troll.
Go **** yourself.
If you disagree, say so. If you want to start calling names at least do it with conviction, you coward.
Oh dear!
I most certainly am I the fbu pete I’m no scab
:rolleyes:
My NHS wife gets shift allowance for nights/weekends I get nothing. As for the pension I pay over £460 a month 14.7% of my salary for the privilege of my cracking pension.
£38k? Awww diddums about your shift allowance.
I’m also a category one responder like the blue light services, I’m on 2/3rds of that and our pensions were changed dramatically a a few years ago. But that didn’t get in the news because we aren’t the brave firefighters (who I’ve worked with plenty of times). I also get essentially 20% less than I did 10 years ago because my pay has been restricted to a max 1% increase for as long as I can remember. I’ve been assaulted in my work too.
£38k? I’ll sign up for that even with the “crappy” version of the pension.
I’m not sure it will have wider implications - my reading of it is that a big part of it hinges on the specific physical requirements of being a firefighter - not sure the same argument could be applied to the majority of civil servants?
It won on the it disxrimnated against the younger members. I got moved onto a different scehme after paying in for 26 years as I wasn't old enough to be protected, I now face working until I'm 68.
Instead of retiring at 55 due to physical requirements they should be transferred into some other role until 65 and then get their pension.
Instead of retiring at 55 due to physical requirements they should be transferred into some other role until 65 and then get their pension.
That option was removed.
I feel your pain public sector workers...strike on and don't let anyone undermine your solidarity brothers.
I’m also a category one responder like the blue light services, I’m on 2/3rds
So about the same as basic fire fighter.
Didn't realise the AA paid so much.
You've obviously misread the 38k post charlie that was an nhs workers salary not a fire fighters
And the fbu approached the nhs police and various other shafted by the govt groups to be told to go it alone perhaps if others had fought too their pension fight may have had positive news too
Yup, great for FBU members but thanks to the way that public-sector pensions are funded from expenditure means more costs to the taxpayer. Travesty the way that successive Governments have chronically failed in their 'investment', selling-off public assets and giving tax-breaks when the extra money should have been invested in pensions and other long-term commitments.
The NHS is a different pension scheme Firestarter, there’s around 3 different ones for the NHS.
Yup, great for FBU members but thanks to the way that public-sector pensions are funded from expenditure means more costs to the taxpayer.
Yep, money has to come from somewhere, and needs to be there when you actually retire, next few months will see if there needs to be any more trimming from the budget.
I'm made up for the firefighters today. Well done to the FBU for standing up for the rights of its members. Unfortunately for the police our national federation meekly accepted the shafting that was dished out to us so we have had to fund our own pension challenge without their backing. Even today in Light of the FBU victory they're holding back from showing any signs of real commitment to supporting their members. Congrats to those who do a job that many couldn't or wouldn't do.
Drac we currently have 3 pensions running too mate
I feel your pain public sector workers…strike on and don’t let anyone undermine your solidarity brothers.
Yep, we should shut up because you've been so useless at protecting your terms and conditions.
I came on this thread hoping to add my happiness that I may not have to work 9 years longer than I signed up to for no benefit whilst paying 4K a year extra, losing 30k off my agreed terms and losing 12k a year for 9 years extra I had to work due to the hard work of my union and the solidarity of the members in the face of a hostile and dishonest government, complicit employers, cowardly and grasping contemporaries all backed up by a vile media that thinks nothing of bare faced lies.
Unfortunately I found a bunch of bitter idiots with chips on their shoulders that seem to resent those of us who dare to stick up for ourselves.
Don’t forget that this was a legal case and the government was found to have discriminated against a group of workers. Nothing to do with conditions, beds, shifts, pay, etc. Discrimination.
It would have been nice if it wasn’t just us and the judges that decided to stick up for ourselves as we might have got here sooner. No matter, i’m Sure plenty will now jump on our shoulders. Don’t worry though as the fitness tests we now have to pass (or face the sack) mean we should be able to carry you, even if the governments own research suggests we won’t be able to post 55.
Sorry if this is a bit rambling but i’ve Had a few drinks to celebrate the possibility that I may get the chance to retire in 10 years on the terms I signed up to.
F you on here who react to our achievements with envy and bitterness. If you got up off your knees for a minute you might achieve something yourself.
^^^ well said. There’s far too much bitterness from the ‘I haven’t got what you have, so I begrudge you having it’ brigade. Well done the FBU.
I feel your pain public sector workers…strike on and don’t let anyone undermine your solidarity brothers.
"research from campaign group the Taxpayers’ Alliance has found."
That'll be lies and misinformation then.
Whenever the idea of 'gold plated' Public Sector pensions come up, one thing that's rarely mentioned is the cost - it's pretty high to say the least, I'm pretty sure if those of us in the private section would be happy to hand over 9% of our pre-tax income (rates vary depending on income level) into a private pension for 30 years (that's 9% of our own money, not 5% topped up by our employer) we'd be "sitting pretty" too.
The truth is that most UK employees want a decent pension from their employer, but would rather not pay for it, millions of people we're dragged kicking and screaming into auto-enrolment and even then millions of them opted out.
The cost of a scheme which pays out after one 30 years is much more than 9% per annum, which frankly buys you bugger all.
Unfortunately I found a bunch of bitter idiots with chips on their shoulders that seem to resent those of us who dare to stick up for ourselves.
Quite. I've been on strike to protect my pension, and would do so again.