It does however make me angry to see obese kids, that is child abuse.
Well you should hold fire there too. Our kid is pretty damn chunky, but she always has been ever since she was still being breast fed. And she eats pretty well compared to most kids. And surprisingly little of it too, which makes me wonder what she's actually made of.
So of course many kids are being overfed, but don't judge without knowing. Which is the point of this thread.
Is it so wrong to have a dig a fat people? It seems to be socially acceptable to have a dig at smokers. Both are bad for the individual, is it wrong to encourage a healthy body through mocking/abuse?
No
I put the following on facebook after the missus exercise shy aunt posted a load of crap on facebook about how I was useless and deserved no sympathy for breaking my arm and should grow up etc etc etc.
[i]"If one more fat person tells me to take up a sensible for of exercise I'm going to repeat the question back to them, then punch them" [/i]
Her husband came upto me at a family gathering and shook my hand and said [i]"you're brave".[/i]
joolsburger - Member
I went from well built, toned and fit to being 19 stone in my early forties and have spent the last year or two losing it to get back to a good weight for my build and being fit again.
In my personal experience it's was mostly just lacking self discipline, eating too much and doing too little. It's very easy to blame other people or circumstance for obesity and there is a multi billion pound industry happy to agree with you and offer you a solution (at a cost).Truth be told for 90% of people who are fat it's simply a case of sticking too much tucker in your pie hole and doing nothing to burn it off. Does that warrant people being prejudiced, no but equally fat people need to be told to stop being fat and the best way to avoid feeling bad about your weight is to sort it out..
+1, in general of course. Also IMO, of course.
Most (pretty much all) of the people I know who are overweight and complain about it while trying to lose weight, don't seem to be trying very hard.
Daily 'treats', very little exercise, driving short distances instead of walking, forgetting to include certain things they've eaten in their 'calorie counting' but they complain that the weight isn't coming off.
I am not saying it is easy, as I don't believe it is. But kidding yourself that you are doing all you can and you can't possibly eat any less than you do or exercise anymore than you currently do, when 'treating' yourself to a grab bag of crisps on a Fri night (800 cals) and then 'burning it off' by walking a mile the next morning isn't going to work.
Molegrips-
I used the term obese as opposed to overweight and meant in the sense most of use would recognise as obese.
Kids do go through stages when there "chunky" grow out of it with age.
Theres a difference though, theres kids that are seriously obese to the extent that it stops them participating in activities and probably lowers there self esteem.
I feel sorry for them, almost guilty for my part in the society that lets that happen to so many kids.
just appeared on my twitter timeline:
[i]A type of liver disease once thought to afflict primarily adult alcoholics appears to be rampant in children.
Some 1 in 10 children in the U.S., or more than 7 million, are thought to have the disease, according to recent studies.
The condition, in which the normally rust-colored organ becomes bloated and discolored by yellowish fat cells, has become so common in non-drinkers that it has been dubbed nonalcoholic fatty liver disease.[/i]
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Our kid is pretty damn chunky, but she always has been ever since she was still being breast fed. And she eats pretty well compared to most kids. And surprisingly little of it too, which makes me wonder what she's actually made of.
Conversely, my kids eat like horses - we just can't fill them up - but remain skinny despite watching "too much" TV and occasionally being driven to school.
Wwaswas, while you're here I'll get my red pen out and correct your error from page 2. 😀
Natural, unprocessed fats, including animal fats are not unhealthy (in moderation of course). Quite the opposite, in fact. And in general, people aren't fat because they eat too much fat, sugar is the main culprit. In any case, eating fat doesn't make you fat - it's all turned to energy in the body. It's only when you have a surplus of energy that it (whatever it was, sugar, fat, etc) gets transformed into fat to be stored.although cheap meat tends to either be very fatty (and therefore unhealthy)
The myth of natural fats being bad for you is something which (tinfoil hat on) has been peddled to us by corporations trying to sell us their so-called "healthy" alternatives.
But kidding yourself
Kidding yourself is the root cause of a lot of problems, not just weight.
Re livers.. high fructose corn syrup is in most processed foods in the US, it's really quite amazing. And parents actually let their kids drink soda, it's a normal thing to be drinking for adults and kids alike.
Conversation at work this week with a new work colleague lady person.
Lady: "So like yeah, we had a pizzabab at like 3am"
Me:"A what"
Lady:"A pizzabab"
Me:"Tell me that's what I think it is"
Lady:"It's a calzone, but stuffed with kebab meat"
Me:"Oh my"
It's no help to this topic, but I [b]have[/b] to try one of these pizzababs as soon as possible, so this is kind of a PSA, and anyhow this thread is slowly disappearing up its own potato.
The nation is simply 'Over fed, but under nourished'!
A type of liver disease once thought to afflict primarily adult alcoholics appears to be rampant in children.Some 1 in 10 children in the U.S., or more than 7 million, are thought to have the disease, according to recent studies.
The condition, in which the normally rust-colored organ becomes bloated and discolored by yellowish fat cells, has become so common in non-drinkers that it has been dubbed nonalcoholic fatty liver disease.
They should get their kids to drink more beer then....
I'm surprised at the responses like 'BS' and 'clinically stupid' to the person who said from their experience, recovery is within a depressed person's control.
I also believe that to be largely (though not universally) true. I'm unable to tolerate most medications and over the past year, I've realised that I have to help myself, and have had success with managing depression, frequent migraine, and a back problem. I think people are more in control of their lives than they realise.
I would posit, that with the exception of medical causation, problems are primarily educational. Education on what to eat, how to eat and when to eat seems obvious, but hasn't been on a school syllabus for a long time. This site is interesting on budget eating http://agirlcalledjack.com/
With regard to sugar addiction, this is also quite interesting, and from the talk I attended today, it seems that teenage alcohol intake similarly affects impulse control. http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/0/21835302
I have skimmed some of this thread so please forgive any repetition..
Ridicule of other people is never really acceptable.
But we are just people with faults an' all
Good to be reminded sometimes that all them others out there have feelings, hopes and fears too.
Fatty & skinny went to bed
Fatty rolled over & skinny was dead!
We're all going to die
Sorry, I thought you said "fatalism"...
I firmly blame parents. If you've known years of a bad diet/lack of motivation it becomes ingrained. Like quitting smoking.
When I was a kid I stayed at a friends house for a weekend. Every meal was fried. I was almost sick by the end. We never had anything fried at home.
We are all overweight? Apparently I should be 13.5stone. I'm 16 currently. If I dropped 0.5 I'd be spot on. The stats are crock. My gut needs a trim but I'm still in 34" pants - wear the same jeans from 10yrs ago.
Hope you've washed them
I agree with hora regarding parents. Fizzy drinks and Greggs sausage rolls seem to be a kid in a buggies staple diet in most larger towns in this country, and that's where it all begins.
I don't blame any one thing, seems to me to be a multitude of reasons creating the perfect storm of expanding girth.
Fizzy drinks and Greggs sausage rolls seem to be a kid in a buggies staple diet in most larger towns in this country
I dunno where you live but I've never seen that.
Been watching that 'Fat the fight of my life' series for the past few weeks.
What's come across is that the people involved have all ended up using food to compensate/mask other things in their lives that they can't cope with or don't feel in control of.
Weight loss isn't so much about eating less and exercising more, it's about removing the reason why you're eating too much. The people who've had the biggest success are the ones who've faced their 'demons' and felt good about themselves as a result.
Clearly they're a bunch of people pre-selected by the tv show and maybe they were chosen for the reasons I've outlined above but I am convinced that, for the majority of people, weight loss is a far more complex process than just deciding to eat a bit less every day.
I dunno where you live but I've never seen that.
To be fair I've seen it, just for good measure she usually had two massive bottles of Lambrini in the buggy too. Usually during the daytime rather than evening. Sharrow in Sheffield can be a special place.
Anyway, first google result
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/dietandfitness/10126042/Britons-getting-fatter-despite-consuming-fewer-calories.html
A man in his twenties weighs around 15 lbs, 7kg, more than a man in his twenties three decades earlier, while someone in their 50s weighs 30 lbs more.
New research suggests the average modern Briton now spends more than 20 hours a day sitting or lying down, whether asleep or awake.
Not sure of the authority of their sources
I probably spend more than 20 hours a day not stood up.
I work at home at a desk, don't have to do a school walk/cycle any more and other than the odd errand or a mid week bike ride don't much leave the house from Monday to Friday.
Yep me too, 7-8hrs sleep and probably 6.5hrs at work sat down. 1hr in total in the car.
Actually reckon 17-19hrs sat or lying down is fairly normal for me. I do wonder what sort of shape I'd be if I stopped running and biking. Spherical at a guess.
Thinking about it, the only thing I miss about warehousing is that I spent 80% of the day on my feet.
New research suggests the average modern Briton now spends more than 20 hours a day sitting or lying down, whether asleep or awake.
I reckon that's true. I train daily for 2-3 hours with additional riding or a dog walk at the weekend.
I reckon it's unlikely I accumulate more than another hour or so with general faffing about.
Sad times.
Wwaswas
I think you have it. Seriously.
Other than that I will leave this thread due to the small minded fools that judge others on their own misguided principles. (Previous pages, stupidly read it all just now)
I'm off to cool my pi$$ before it boils over , in a bucket of iced water. After that, as a fattie I will obviously be compelled to eat the bucket and drive to the nearest burger bar and order the entire menu .....twice
About the only compensation I have with my new job is that I have no clue what I'm doing and spent a lot of time thinking at near maximum capacity. Other than that it's near zero activity.
The other element that's interesting me is the normalisation of snacks in the office. On any given day I'll be offered biscuits on at least 3 occasions, despite never eating biscuits at work. We often get members of the public come in to visit the Paramedics and to see the aircraft. They are often briefed (along with the H&S) to bring in chocolates or cake, so there is that thrown into the mix. Just for good measure every Friday is doughnut Friday.
Back in my logistics days the stock control office used to have draws literally stuffed full of snacks. Although some if them where "diet" chocolate bars so that's ok.
Sad times
Really? What were the statistics 50 years ago?
Was everyone playing badminton or riding their bike eight hours a day? I suspect not.
You could go back to how things were. Why not get a job in a factory that's 5 miles from your house operating a machine standing up, walk there and back every day, then spend what's left of evenings digging in the garden to grow food or maybe washing clothes by hand..?
I'm off to cool my pi$$ before it boils over , in a bucket of iced water. After that, as a fattie I will obviously be compelled to eat the bucket and drive to the nearest burger bar and order the entire menu .....twice
Last week I ate a pot of Hagen Daaz in one sitting 😳 yet also 😀
What's come across is that the people involved have all ended up using food to compensate/mask other things in their lives that they can't cope with or don't feel in control of.Weight loss isn't so much about eating less and exercising more, it's about removing the reason why you're eating too much. The people who've had the biggest success are the ones who've faced their 'demons' and felt good about themselves as a result.
This.
I've had mild depression/low self esteem/social anxiety for a long time. I don't drink, don't smoke and never done recreational drugs but I do comfort eat. A lot.
Earlier this year I had a spell of feeling quite good, managed to cut out all the crap and lost 2 stones between february and june. Back to my usual mood now and put half a stone back on.
As above, I think with most overweight people there's a whole lot more going on than simply greed.
Last week I ate a pot of Hagen Daaz in one sitting
Entire packets of biscuits are known to vanish when I'm left in the house on my own.
Asda were selling stale custard donuts a couple of months ago at 25p for a bag of six. I bought a bag. I ate a bag.
Last December, I got into a December [url= http://www.mincepiecount.com/ ]#mincepiecount[/url] competition on Twitter; I was fourth. I aim to win this year, so I'll be better organised and pace myself rather than eating six in a day then nothing for a day or two.
[quote=birky]This.
I've had mild depression/low self esteem/social anxiety for a long time. I don't drink, don't smoke and never done recreational drugs but I do comfort eat. A lot.
Earlier this year I had a spell of feeling quite good, managed to cut out all the crap and lost 2 stones between february and june. Back to my usual mood now and put half a stone back on.
As above, I think with most overweight people there's a whole lot more going on than simply greed.
The same can be said for the opposite - anorexia - by focusing on [b]not[/b] eating, their minds are not thinking about their demons.
We are all overweight? Apparently I should be 13.5stone. I'm 16 currently. If I dropped 0.5 I'd be spot on. The stats are crock. My gut needs a trim but I'm still in 34" pants - wear the same jeans from 10yrs ago.
It's ok wearing 34" jeans but how big is your overhang, muffin top or full batch loaf? 😀
Whatever, haven't read any of this, but the photo referred to by the OP is bloody funny.
molgrips - Member
Fizzy drinks and Greggs sausage rolls seem to be a kid in a buggies staple diet in most larger towns in this country
I dunno where you live but I've never seen that.POSTED 1 HOUR AGO # REPORT-POST
Pretty regularly, and as I'm sure you live in South Wales, it was very prevalent the last time I was in Caerphilly.
I dunno where you live but I've never seen that.
I regularly see secondary school kids walking to school while drinking a massive can of Monster and eating a bag full of something made of sugar and gelatin.
But, that's nothing new. I remember my mate's dad telling us he always spent his dinner money on ice cream and cola, and my dad's teeth fell out because of years of eating rhubarb dipped in sugar as a kid.
Sausage rolls aren't particularly bad on occasion, but fizzy drinks are bad. I've rarely seen a kid under the age of maybe 6 or 7 drinking any.
Fizzy drinks are bad, but juice shoots and the like are bad too and loads of kids drink those.
I think fruit shoots are not as bad, having much less sugar, but they are still full of sweetners, which may also be bad.
Fruit shoots are one of the worse drinks available.
There everything this thread is about perfectly encapsulated in an overpackaged, overmarketed container.
I don't think they are one of the worst drinks. Pop is far worse.
My kids don't even like them. However, there is next to no sugar in them. There's much more sugar in real fruit juice. And whoever says 'just give them water' must never have had kids imo.
Stella, crisps & nuts after night rides, mmm yum. Am I overweight? Yup, do I wish I was thinner? Yup, do I like food n drink? Yup, *shrugs* what you gonna do?
My kids love water, the fridge is full of it nicely chilled. Sometimes they make it up with squash. Mostly without though, my daughters school doesnt even allow any kind of fruit juice, they can only have water. They all look pretty happy.
BTW Fruit shoots have 23g of sugar in each bottle thats around [b]5 teaspoons [/b]in each of thos dinky little bottles.
They are a cheap sugary product cynically marketed at kids.
Molly mine pretty much drank just water as wee kids. Water is still eldest's drink of choice and youngest likes her juice v weak.
It can be done.
I might read the whole thread when I can get round to it, however - I have quite a light frame, so even at 6ft, I looked a bit of a biffer at 15st. Luckily for me, it's quite easy for me to lose weight and currently sit somewhere between 11.5-12st and 30" waist.
Biking mates used to take the piss, as we now do to someone who's taken my place, but that's banter between mates. My change in physique has partly been down to going to the gym and this also seems to have encouraged others to do so - so that's a positive.
With regards to eating, I also try and pass on eating tips - at least what works for me. Some people take heed and find it works.
With regards to the cost of healthy eating, obviously not across the whole scale of meals, but an example - I'd imagine, folk who work from their car tend to complain about lack of options. Go and find a Morrisons - their salad bar is fantastic and you can get a really healthy box that will last you all day, for half the price of a Big Mac meal.
Assume this is a rhetorical question, but it is possible to enjoy eating healthy food, or exercise restraint and enjoy unhealthy food as treats rather than constantly. 😀Yup, do I like food n drink? Yup, *shrugs* what you gonna do?
BTW Fruit shoots have 23g of sugar in each bottle thats around 5 teaspoons in each of thos dinky little bottles.
Ah, I was looking at the low sugar ones. I thought they were all low sugar, but I never buy them so I hadn't looked closely.
It can be done.
Depends on the kid I think, as with most things. Kids love sweet stuff, generally - always have and always will. I think we do well to keep as much of a lid on it as we do.
Fruit shoots have 23g of sugar in each bottle thats around 5 teaspoons in each of thos dinky little bottles.
Seriously? Source? The reason I ask is Mrshora swears by them in pubs whereas I think they are crock.
It's on the Britvic website.
I'd clicked on the low sugar ones without realising it when I looked.
Fruit shoots were the subject of a C4 documentry recently.
I didnt like them beforehand, mostly because I'm tight but secondly after tasting one I realised just how mega strong they are.
It's the subtle marketing "fruit" shoot that makes you think there ok but actually there pretty much the same as coke or whatever.
I only started taking an interest in this stuff whilst losing weight myself, the outcome of much reading on the subject is that sugar is the cause of the problem. The stuff is everywere, very difficult to avoid especially in foods marketed at kids and it is the problem not fats or lack of exercise.
Heres a link to some TED talks, its a bit long winded but the Lustig one "Sugar: The Bitter Truth" is worth ago.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/27/20-online-talks-change-your-life ]TED Talks[/url]
If you have time I would also recomend the Albert Bartlett one on population growth and my favourite Amy Cuddy on body language, not sure what its about but I could watch her all day.
the outcome of much reading on the subject is that sugar is the cause of the problem.
I agree, except for it being difficult to avoid. But people don't know not to buy processed crap.
Just like smokers dont realise its bad for them and those that dont exercise have not been told that its better to exercise.
they do know it is just that it is easier to not act.
I don't know, molgrips probably has a point. On the last page he was swearing blind fruit shoots were healthy. So if even he can display such ignorance, how do mere mortals have a chance... 😀
On the last page he was swearing blind fruit shoots were healthy.
I bloody well was not!
hora - Member
Fruit shoots have 23g of sugar in each bottle thats around 5 teaspoons in each of thos dinky little bottles.Seriously? Source? The reason I ask is Mrshora swears by them in pubs whereas I think they are crock.
POSTED 35 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
http://www.britvic.co.uk/en/Our-brands/Fruit-Shoot.aspx
Am I looking at the same things, looks like 10gm to me!?
as a race, we humans are addicts, addicted to sugar.
am i fatist? yep.
theres a big bit of my brain that tells me its something they can / should do something about but theres also a knowledge that many people inherit the way they eat from their parents or the environment they grow up in. Its not a gene they inherit, just a habit. so I can usually temper myself not to outwardly say or inwardly think much about it, to deal with the person for who they are.
But, yes I am fat-ist.
I may be exaggerating slightly, 😀 the point is you are right when you say sugar and added crap is very difficult to avoid because it's everywhere, and processed foods are unfortunately extremely ingrained in our culture now.I bloody well was not!
Yep. I'm no health freak really but I'm getting pretty turned off by all the processed artifical foods masquerading as meals, but lots of people seem to yum them down.
The fewer ingredients on the packet the better, I reckon. Generally speaking at any rate.
Re sugar: For me, somehow, sweet treats (not too processed mind!) are REALLY REALLY good. I mean seriously. I bloody LOVE them. It really does make me sad when I don't have them. Like giving up watching movies or something.
Looked at orange one, 10g per 100ml. The bottles are 200ml, so that makes 20g per bottle.
That's quite a bit. I think the other flavours have different quantity of sugar (11g/12g per 100ml).
The bottles are 200ml
DOH!!!
Fruit drinks will have a lot of sugar as there is a lot of sugar in [most] fruit
Grape juice is 16 g sugar per 100ml for example
True enough, but there's not much fruit in a "fruit shoot"
My daughter likes them if they are diluted a bit. The bottles are a handy size as well, I use them for running sometimes, a full size bottle can be clumsy if your only out for an hour.
I took the 23g from wikipedia but thats intresting Britvic should choose to use per 100ml rather per bottle and also I wonder if those rda's are for children or adults?
If there adults it means that one bottle is in the region of 50% a childs rda of sugar.(if there actually is a recomended amount?)
They are slippery ****ers you see.
I think fruit shoots are not as bad, having much less sugar, but they are still full of sweetners, which may also be bad.
...or it may not.
[i]They are slippery ****ers you see. [/i]
try not greasing them - unlubed children are a lot easier to get dressed.
Eat fruit, don't drink fruit juice. You only think it's good for you because the people selling it tell you it is.Fruit drinks will have a lot of sugar as there is a lot of sugar in [most] fruitGrape juice is 16 g sugar per 100ml for example
Interesting, or an example of manufacturers trying to manipulate the consumer? Single serving items should have the nutritional information listed [i]by serving[/i] not per 100ml or 100gI took the 23g from wikipedia but thats intresting Britvic should choose to use per 100ml rather per bottle
Everyone should lighten up. 🙂
I took the 23g from wikipedia but thats intresting Britvic should choose to use per 100ml rather per bottle and also I wonder if those rda's are for children or adults?
Have a look at the Fruit Shoot website, clearly aimed at kids. If there is nutritional data there it's hidden.
It's a separate site to the Brit Vic site, its almost like its designed to deflect attention away from what's actually in them.
Interesting, or an example of manufacturers trying to manipulate the consumer? Single serving items should have the nutritional information listed by serving not per 100ml or 100g
Or the manufacturer simply complying with the EU guidelines for labeling?
Have a look at the Fruit Shoot website, clearly aimed at kids
Welcome to the 20th century.
That would be their excuse, yes of course. No reason why they can't choose to optionally label it per serving as well though, which would be much more useful to consumers.Or the manufacturer simply complying with the EU guidelines for labeling?
Depite being obese I dont recall anyone catching me up & passing me round Cannock last week. Must have been 20 racing snakes either wheezing their way up the hill or collapsed at the top.
Said one.Christ, he's on a singlespeed
Said another.And he's fat
🙂
Naturally, I was deeply hurted. 😀
that would explain why all the top end cyclists carry so much weight then wont it 😕
i have just eaten 2 packets of crisps - 360 cals in all.....feel quite guilty now !
Depite being obese I dont recall anyone catching me up & passing me round Cannock last week
Cannock is quite narrow in places, and you've said you're quite wide in places, so they probably couldn't get past if they wanted. 😀
You could go back to how things were. Why not get a job in a factory that's 5 miles from your house operating a machine standing up, walk there and back every day, then spend what's left of evenings digging in the garden to grow food or maybe washing clothes by hand..?
Nah, I think I'd rather stick with chatting up strangers on the internet whilst waiting for some java script to run. Stopping off in my Audi on the 60 mile commute to buy a ready meal and a bottle of red from M&S (hopefully they'll have some Peanut Butter ice cream in stock too). Then it's a night of ignoring the mrs whilst she tries to disect Corrie.
Happy days.
Welcome to the 20th century
The rest of us have been in the 21st century for quite some time now..........
Incidentally, some of my best friends are fat 🙂