[Closed] Fast road cars

?! I find that unlikely.

Maybe what's needed is something that isn't that fast, but feels like it is:
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agent007 - Member
May I suggest you toddle off and actually look at the stats for Biker injuries and deaths and then kindly shove your "irresponsible bikers" comment up your ....
Really?

You still haven't shown anything to back up your comment.
So you find two articles on t'internet that directly target bikers
Okay here's another one then (from the Government this time). Think the stats speak for themselves!

Actually - they don't.
They show a vulnerable road user more likely to be KSI'd. Nothing more.
Again - back up your statement about it being "irresponsible bikers" being the cause of YOU not being able to enjoy your driving road.....

I wish the motorbike lot would keep themselves out of threads like this. We're talking about cars not bikes. We're all aware that bikes can be fast, hey some bikes are even faster than some cars, but then again there are some cars that are faster than some bikes.

I got the impression that people who - me included - have ridden very fast motorbikes are simply saying that they're faster and, more importantly, more visceral than any car, no matter how fast. Which they are, particularly in terms of acceleration. Closest thing to flying without leaving the ground.

Anyway, so I'm quite happy with my modest Corrado VR6 with tweaked suspension etc. I know it's not fast by STW standards, but it's fast enough for me, makes a great noise and has the advantage of being obscure enough that most people don't know what they are.

I can't think of anything worse than driving around in some blatantly obvious rocket-ship of a thing, I don't care about being faster than other drivers or not, and if I were genuinely bothered about going quick, I'd get back into bikes. But that's a whole different thing... 😉

[quote=agent007 ]I wish the motorbike lot would keep themselves out of threads like this. We're talking about cars not bikes. We're all aware that bikes can be fast, hey some bikes are even faster than some cars, but then again there are some cars that are faster than some bikes. As the first person to refer to bikes on this thread, I'll chime in.

The thread has, for a change, actually included some intelligent discourse on the pleasure folk get from driving. For many, it's the feeling of acceleration, the joy of threading through some nice corners or the sight of other vehicles receding in your rear-view mirror. The fact is that all of these pleasures are available on two wheels, and they can be experienced on relatively low powered and less expensive equipment. Of course there are downsides; vulnerability, noise (though that's not all bad) and the weather amongst them.

gofasterstripes - Member
?! I find that unlikely.

Well obviously. My comment was to do with the capability of the driver rather than the car

Just replace motorcyclist with cyclist in the bike complainers' posts.

oh wait.

Anyway, so I'm quite happy with my modest Corrado VR6 with tweaked suspension etc. I know it's not fast by STW standards, but it's fast enough for me, makes a great noise and has the advantage of being obscure enough that most people don't know what they are.

It's fairly high on my wish list of cars...

the joy of threading through some nice corners or the sight of other vehicles receding in your rear-view mirror. The fact is that all of these pleasures are available on two wheels, and they can be experienced on relatively low powered and less expensive equipment. Of course there are downsides; vulnerability, noise (though that's not all bad) and the weather amongst them.

Just buy a 2004 MX5. You don't have to hang up your steering wheel in bad weather, rain, snow or sleet. Just drive, it steers nicely, it feels nice. Its also cheaper than most decent motorbikes.

Job done. Sorry.

I'll also add- a while back I was driving behind a Transit Connect van that was pissing out diesel on the winding roads towards Hayfield. I was beeping and flashing him. Eventually he pulled over .. at lights.

So I said (knowing why now) 'you know your pissing out diesel'?

Yes, oh yeah mate.

He was obviously trying to get to his destination where he could replace the tank etc rather than stop and pay for recovery. This way he saved his wallet but how many ****ing other people will have skidded off their motorbikes?

He carried on after I pulled away.

Pillocks like that don't give a ****. One of the many reasons why I won't ride a motorcycle sadly.

Sounds just like the numbnuts who necked his tank at a filling station here and then promptly left a trail of diesel 135mts long around a bend/junction.
At 3pm on a bright April afternoon there was no way of seeing the spill due to the underpass and not only myself but another rider and 4 cars all crashed. OK - at less than 20mph - nut still a major clear up that closed an A road for over an hour.
Guess what.. despite CCTV and a witness behind him - he did not get prosecuted and the claim had to go against the MIB for "uninsured loss against an unknown driver". Work that one out!

This thread is just the flip side of the "cyclists against fast car drivers" except its the car drivers against bikers this time.

[quote=hora ]Just buy a 2004 MX5. You don't have to hang up your steering wheel in bad weather, rain, snow or sleet. Just drive, it steers nicely, it feels nice. Its also cheaper than most decent motorbikes.Lots of lovely 11-year old motorcycles if vintage transport is your bag.

what is that gofasterstripes?

looks like the bastard lovechild of a Morgan 3 wheeler and Galvatron from Transformers.

Who is against motorbikes? Just because a couple of posters do/are- doesn't mean the rest of us are.

I chose not to because I don't trust other road users. Similar to how I feel to road users in my car just alittle more wary.

Lots of lovely 11yr old bikes out there?

I saw a W(?) reg'd suzuki hayabusa 1200- covered in road dirt/grime and what looked like Jap tax/doc(?) stickers- No idea on how it'd ride but it looked ****ING AWESOME.

That is a [url= http://www.polaris.com/en-us/slingshot ]Polaris Slingshot[/url].

I am trying to enthuse my design for a ULEV with something like that pazazz. It certainly caught your eye 🙂

This thread is just the flip side of the "cyclists against fast car drivers" except its the car drivers against bikers this time.

We're not against motorcyclists, it's just that this thread is all about cars, yet all we seem to get is 'yes but my bike is way faster, more fun, more raw than your car can ever be'. Well guess what, my uncles aerobatic plane is way faster, more fun and involving than your bike could ever be, but so what - we're talking about cars.

In the past I have ridden motorcycles regularly off road whilst working for months in the Australian outback, usually with shorts, t-shirt and no helmet and they were a lot of fun but I have no desire to don a thick, sweaty leather suit, restrictive helmet and ride motorbikes quickly on the UK roads.

I'd argue that cars are every bit as involving as bikes once you're on a good bit of road. Not only do you not have to wear an uncomfortable helmet which for me feels like you're insulated slightly from what's going on around you (maybe mine was a rubbish helmet) but because a car isn't trying to kill you at every opportunity, the experience of a fast car, more so when its a small roadster like an Elise, can be enjoyed far more and in far greater safety for you and other road users. I've already pointed out that bikes are way more dangerous than cars (38 x more dangerous mile for mile).

So ride bikes if you want, I've no objection to that, but don't come on here saying that bikes are better, more involving etc. because for me, and many other IMO, they just are not.

the sight of other vehicles receding in your rear-view mirror

Why is this enjoyable?

Presumably because the sight of them in your rear view mirror means you're no longer being subjected to their tiresome, detached approach to driving and you can get on with enjoying yourself.

Just give up pretending to want to try to understand, molgrips. You're not fooling anyone.

Why is this enjoyable?

Some people enjoy it. They have imaginative brains and enjoy the game. Whether the game is real or in their head is irrelevant.

Why do you enjoy pootling everywhere? Only you know.

[quote=agent007 ]In the past I have ridden motorcycles regularly off road ....

I'd argue that cars are every bit as involving as bikes once you're on a good bit of road. And yet many folk commenting here have the experience you lack and disagree with you. Makes you think, eh?

They have imaginative brains and enjoy the game

So they are pretending that the other person is racing them? And that their cars are in fact equal but the other person is inferior and can't keep up?

I find this odd. Well - I didn't when I was 8 years old..

Just give up pretending to want to try to understand, molgrips. You're not fooling anyone.

I do try to understand everyone, but in this case I am trying to avoid the conclusion that anyone who enjoys the sensation of winning a race against some other driver in a slower car has the mind of an 8 year old. Cos that wouldn't be nice.

I find this odd. Well - I didn't when I was 8 years old..

Do you? Do you find it odd?
Do you find it odd that people continue to enjoy things they enjoyed when they were younger? Do you?
Like riding bikes? Like eating chips? Like going on rides at amusment parks?

I think you mean, you don't like it so no-one else should. Is that correct?

For me owning a well sorted fast car or bike means that you can actually enjoy driving rather than mindlessly drifting to a destination. Had to drive some fairly boring company cars for a while and unfortunately they became an office, which was not good.

you can actually enjoy driving rather than mindlessly drifting to a destination

It is possible to enjoy driving without having a fast car. There is another way. Comfortable crusing can be enjoyable.

You still need a well sorted car, but it's all about ride and driver comfort. Handling and performance needs to be just good enough.

Do you find it odd that people continue to enjoy things they enjoyed when they were younger?

Not everything, no. But this one, yes. Do you still worry if you haven't got the proper cool trainers?

I think you mean, you don't like it so no-one else should. Is that correct?

No, it's not.

Not everything, no. But this one, yes. Do you still worry if you haven't got the proper cool trainers?

Nope.

No, it's not.

Yeah, but it demonstrably is. Riding that high horse for that long must be making you sore.

I had a fairly nimble car last year..

A BMW E46 M3, superb car that was as much at home on the motorway cruising along as it was being driven vigorously on a good back road. Swallowed up straights in a hear beat and was superb on the corners. Took my mate out in it who is a huge motorbike fan and he was blown away with the performance of it. Couldn't believe how planted it felt on corners and how quickly it gathered momentum... The straigh six also sounded marvellous at full throttle as the revs built up past 6000 RPM..

I'd have another tomorrow if I could afford to run 2 cars.

So they are pretending that the other person is racing them? And that their cars are in fact equal but the other person is inferior and can't keep up?

I find this odd. Well - I didn't when I was 8 years old..

I can see where you're coming from, although I do the exact opposite.

I drive a slow car, and tend to get a real thrill from slowing people in fast cars down, rather than racing them. It works best on wide "a" roads where I tend to stick to about 50 mph. If they try and overtake, I speed up a bit to stop them getting past.

Which then makes the driver behind angry and possibly makes for a ill placed overtake?

Whether it be bike or car I'll lift off or even indicate left to help someone overtake me. Less pressure and doesnt hold anyone up behind me.

It's just the way you're going off on one about motorbikes, like a red mist has descended on you.

I love the justification that you used to ride one off road when you were younger, but wouldn't ride on one on the roads now because it's so dangerous with the cars etc.

Sounds like a lot of people who drive talking about cyclists....

I drive a slow car, and tend to get a real thrill from slowing people in fast cars down, rather than racing them. It works best on wide "a" roads where I tend to stick to about 50 mph. If they try and overtake, I speed up a bit to stop them getting past.

No ones going to fall for that troll surely?

Which then makes the driver behind angry and possibly makes for a ill placed overtake?
Whether it be bike or car I'll lift off or even indicate left to help someone overtake me. Less pressure and doesnt hold anyone up behind me.

Ah ok, tips hat. Well done.

Molgrips, do you own a caravan perchance?

Comfortable cruising can be enjoyable, well more enjoyable than uncomfortable cruising. Just like a nice summers day ride along a quiet tow path can be enjoyable taking in the views etc. But it's not quite the same as enjoying the feel of zipping along a nice flowing bit of single track nailing each corner with that perfect line (in my dreams), how the bike responds to your every input and exploring where the limits of grip are.

For cruising give me a nice Range Rover, quiet, refined and with a good view over the hedge rows.

To really enjoy the driving experience give me a moderately powered 7 and a twisty B road.

Here you go, "fast" and a "road" car:

😉

Whether it be bike or car I'll lift off or even indicate left to help someone overtake me. Less pressure and doesnt hold anyone up behind me.

I shift into reverse to make it easier still. Sometimes I'll simply sit motionless on an A-road or motorway taking in the scenery as the ultimate demonstration that you don't need to drive fast or even move to enjoy driving. Some mellow classics on a good stereo, a glass of Chablis and birdsong audible through the sun-roof make for a fantastic non-journey.

Often these days, of course, I have little choice in the matter anyway as lemming-like 'fast drivers' seem intent on rear-ending each other - double entendre intentional - causing endless tailbacks etc. It's a right pain in the arse.

maxtorque - Member

Here you go, "fast" and a "road" car:

I watched that last night. What amazed me was just how close the RS6 was at 150mph, never mind you it steamed ahead on launch. Obviously 4wd playing a massive part there but it's seriously impressive that an estate car (albeit £90,000) can keep a £1million pound 900bhp hypercar in sight for as long as it did.

I'd agree, the most impressive thing in that video was the £70k estate car. Quite incredible.

*Puts order in for a RS6*

The rear of the P1...

Arent they going to finish it?

I've had 'fast' cars for the last 12 years or so and currently have a 911. For me it isn't the outright speed that appeals - it's the whole experience. The noise, the looks, handling, sense of occasion (only used weekends/when nice c3k a year) and the acceleration out of a tight corner etc. It wouldn't bother me if the car was limited to 100mph in this county as owning a quick car isn't about top speeds.

I can understand why a lot of people think they're pointless and a waste of money though.

If they try and overtake, I speed up a bit to stop them getting past.

**** off.

You absolute ****ing braindead ****.

😆

Erm.. question..

Whats with the flashing rear lights on the P1..

Are they faulty ?

I drive a slow car, and tend to get a real thrill from slowing people in fast cars down

I guess your passenger footwell is a mass of soiled tissues..........or perhaps you have a [i]special driving sock[/i] for such an occasion

😉

[quote=bikebouy ]Erm.. question..
Whats with the flashing rear lights on the P1..
Are they faulty ?

I assumed it was just one of those "interference" things you get filing LEDs with TV equipment.

@bikebouy, IIRC it uses a little rear brake for traction control since it's an open diff? So could be that. Looks terrible to my eyes but, I am not the target market 😆

I'm quite happy with the handling and the torque from the 200bhp diesel in my mondeo.