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Interestingly (to me anyway) I think FBs days are numbered, my Son is social media mental - he's Mr. Insta, Mr. Snapchat and others I can't remember the name of - doesn't want, or care about FB, it's for old people,
Thing is FB has changed. I joined when somebody at work (a youngster) set off on a world tour and stated that they would not be sending out emails with pix, as had been the norm up til then, but would post on FB. Then over a few years I found it a great way to reconnect with friends around the country - it had sort of become a super-efficient post-card and Christmas card replacement. Now, for me, it's become a barrage of copied novelty items and political nonsense, much as email became at one time. Simultaneously it's become a marketing tool like a website. On the positive side there are all sorts of buy and sell groups and small clubs find it quick and easier than setting up a web site. So usage does depend on what you want, and it will have changed over the years it's been around.
Snapchat and so on are just messaging and transient, so tales of youngsters abandoning FB for those are not really surprising.
Scrap my previous comment about never wanting to join....i am sooo tempted now just so I can see Lings Facebook page 😀
Very apt post by Matthew Inman of 'the Oatmeal' today...
[url= http://theoatmeal.com/comics/reaching_people ]reaching people on the internet[/url]
Yeah ironically enough I saw that on Facebook this morning.
Yeah ironically enough I saw that on Facebook this morning
Yep me too, I did wonder how much it cost him to promote it!
That's a good comic strip.
Does anyone here specialise in FB advertising/marketing? I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on how that kind of thing really works. The ratios involved etc
Just say some words such as "Cadbury's Wispa" a few times in the vicinity of your phone; it'll be on your FB feed within a day or two.
THe other thing that's worth a rant is people constantly sharing left wing ideological pro muslim drug addicted vegan bollocks. Who're you sharing it with?!?! Your friends that hold exactly the same views as you!!! Where do you live?!! IN a little bubble on the furness peninsula!!! NONE of it affects you anyway, nothing serious that happens in the world ever will!!! Thankfully I don't have to be friends with them in real life 😉
davidtaylforth - Member
THe other thing that's worth a rant is people constantly sharing left wing ideological pro muslim drug addicted vegan bollocks.
As is people constantly sharing right wing ideological anti muslim straight edge carnivore bollocks.
Although to be fair, it's good that they do and I keep some of them as FB 'pets' so I can be reminded of the stupidity of crowds from time to time...
davidtaylforth - MemberWho're you sharing it with?!?! Your friends that hold exactly the same views as you!!!
Do all your friends share exactly the same views as you? Bit weird.
Just say some words such as "Cadbury's Wispa" a few times in the vicinity of your phone; it'll be on your FB feed within a day or two.
I uninstalled the facebook and messenger apps from my phone as facebook started showing adverts for things I'd only spoken about - I had been telling my mum how to use a velux window in a holiday home we were in and hey presto I started getting loads of ads for velux. I've never searched for anything to do with velux windows or anything and the only other thing I can think of is previous holiday makers had googled velux windows from the same IP. In the T&Cs it does say they can use your mic and camera at any time and there have been various things online about it listening to you so I wouldn't be surprised if it is.
Never had an account, never wanted an account, saw it right from its inception and thought how the hell would they monetise it. Since then they have driven the fine line of punishment and reward, much like any of the free to play games kept the features flowing whilst chipping away at everything else.
for anyone in the early 90's the internet was going to be a portal a walled garden with limited access to the rest of it. Aol, Compuserve etc.... now its Facebook you get an email telling you have received an email... walled garden again... sorry I'm going to throw an insult at all of you 'Sheep'
Never had an account, never wanted an account, saw it right from its inception and thought how the hell would they monetise it.
Well they seem to have managed it.
sorry I'm going to throw an insult at all of you 'Sheep'
Who cares, it's delivering my a benefit, I know there is a cost in terms of ads and data collection but it's actually making things easier for me, another great example was last weekend, a mate posted he was going to be somewhere for work on Saturday was anyone riding, ended up with a group of 5 of us heading out together without knowing each other was planning to be there.
facebook started showing adverts for things I'd only spoken about
They would need special permission from Apple to do that, which seems unlikely.
Facebook (and Apple) would be opening themselves up for a massive lawsuit, especially as FB have [url= https://newsroom.fb.com/news/h/facebook-does-not-use-your-phones-microphone-for-ads-or-news-feed-stories/ ]expressly denied[/url] doing it.
Plus of course you can just turn off the apps access to the microphone. (And if Apple are ignoring that too they'd be in even deeper legal trouble).
there have been various things online about it listening to you
Yep, the conspiracy theory has been circulating for at least four years that I know of. But no one has ever been able to prove it.
I get ads for things I have spoken about but not searched.
The Daily Mail once quoted something I had said in asmall local group.
Younger family become competitive over likes.
People portray their lives as unrealistically successful.
It spreads images I am not comfortable with, violence, objectification of women.
It is very time consuming.
It spreads falsehoods and manipulates group behaviour.
For those reasons I turned off notifications, once you do that it soon becomes irrelevant and you may as well get rid of it.
Sorry, but are some folk saying that they have notifications popping up for everything in their feed? Surely the first thing you would do is just switch them off and just catch up whenever you feel like it? I guess that being unable/unwilling to make even that small change would make Facebook a lot more intrusive.I turned off notifications,
As for the microphone stuff.....
I think it knows who else is in your household, so it will show you ads for things you've spoken to your OH about and they've searched for.
It also probably searches your fb messages so if you are talking about stuff on there it will know.
As for the price of using it.. the price is better advertising. Not that high of a price imo. One of the main themes in my ads seems to be stuff I've searched for or bought on Amazon. And I get them on countless websites including this one. So basically everyone's at it even those who have nothing to do with FB.
I'm not a sheep.
As for the price of using it.. the price is advertising
FTFY
Facebook's business model is based around pestering you with ads so that you carry on being a good little [s]sheep[/s] consumer.
As a rhetorical question: if MI5 (or any other government security agency) came up with something akin to FB and the price was better security would you sign up?
People portray their lives as unrealistically successful.
It spreads images I am not comfortable with, violence, objectification of women.
It is very time consuming.
It spreads falsehoods and manipulates group behaviour.
This is what I was talking about above and I just don't get it, please help me understand.
How can somebody portray their lives as unrealistically successful? Do they put fake job titles in their profiles, do they photoshop the family pics to include a helicopter and a speedboat? Or do people post little snippets of their lives that they think people will find interesting and you are taking this as them showing how successful they are?
A bit like watching the highlights of a football match, it is obviously not like that for the entire game and we don't expect it to be. That doesn't mean the BBC are showing football to be unrealistically interesting, it is just the way it works. No different for facebook...
How does it spread images of violence, objectification of women etc. I can tell you there is next to none of those on my feed so is that something your friends pass around? If so, they would be doing it anyway and facebook just brings it to YOU so you can either choose not to associate with those people or you can challenge those friends and possibly stop it. If anything, facebook has helped.
How is it time consuming? Does anybody force you to do 2 hours of hard facebook graft every day, does your profile cease to exist if you don't spend xx hours a day on it?
It is a tool and in some ways a mirror of your surroundings, you cant get angry at the mirror if you don't like what you see.
And for the ads, just install an adblocker and be done with it. Obviously turn it off when visiting STW 😉
Facebook's business model is based around pestering you with ads
Not unique is it? We've had newspapers, magazines and TV funded with advertising for decades; and most of the internet is ad-funded. It's just that now there's a slightly better chance you'll see an ad for something you want.
Most of mine are for outdoor gear or similar - I see special offers on boots which is handy since I need boots.
People portray their lives as unrealistically successful.
Some people do - but my friends don't.
It spreads images I am not comfortable with, violence, objectification of women.
IT doesn't - your friends do.
It is very time consuming.
The amount of time you spend is entirely under YOUR control.
It spreads falsehoods and manipulates group behaviour.
No, PEOPLE use it for that in the same way that people use TV and print media for the same thing.
Remind me who's a sheep again?
It's just that now there's a slightly better chance you'll see an ad for something you want.
Want? Do you mean need? The whole point of advertising is to replace "need" with "want".
My wife's on FB and the other day there was a giggle and a "look at this". "This" turned out to be one of the Simon's Cat cartoons, in fact it was the [url= https://simonscat.com/blog/catmando/ ]first ever one[/url] and I'd seen it before. The cartoon is a full 97 seconds long but FB decide that they'll stick a fekking commercial in the middle of it!
No. The publisher of the content decided to include an ad.
THe other thing that's worth a rant is people constantly sharing left wing ideological pro muslim drug addicted vegan bollocks.
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Gay and disabled. You forgot the gay and disabled bit.
FB decide that they'll stick a fekking commercial in the middle of it!
I watched Dave Gorman on Dave the other day and there was like eight entire minutes of ONLY ads filling the entire screen in a half hour show! They even stopped the show in the middle to show me more adverts! And they were for stuff I had no interest in at all! Shocking, when will it end? What's the world coming to?
I watched Dave Gorman on Dave the other day and there was like eight entire minutes of ONLY ads filling the entire screen in a half hour show! They even stopped the show in the middle to show me more adverts! And they were for stuff I had no interest in at all! Shocking, when will it end? What's the world coming to?
Even worse, I bought a MTB mag the other day and it was 50% ads. I paid £5 for it too...
@molgrips - you watch commercial TV? Weird 😉
Commercial TV (well UK TV) is slightly different in that you get a programme ident before and after the ad breaks. The US TV model is that there's no gap between content and adverts so you'll be watching something and an advert starts. FB follows the US model.
Now here's a thing.
This morning, Facebook has fired at me an ad for bank account switching. I've definitely not been looking to do so although I did read a post on here yesterday about it.......
Hmm, I wonder how that works.
[quote=molgrips ]I watched Dave Gorman on Dave the other day and there was like eight entire minutes of ONLY ads filling the entire screen in a half hour show! They even stopped the show in the middle to show me more adverts! And they were for stuff I had no interest in at all! Shocking, when will it end? What's the world coming to?
HD recorder and FFWD FTW. Sadly that doesn't appear to be an option on FB.
I find ads on FB goes in distinct waves, I'll see none for days and then they'll completely saturate my feed with ad after ad for a day (all of which I block using their option to do so).
Would be much more sensible to just spread them out a bit....
People are almost conditioned to think they are living an exciting rockstars lifestyle. That everybody wants to see what they had for breakfast; where they walked the dog; what their partner said over tea, or what sage-like words of wisdom they have philosophized that day ... basically most people just post a complete load of uninteresting nonsense; basically the nonsense they wouldn`t dare bore a person outside of social media with.
Yet people know most employers, or potential employers, will search social media for such nonsense ... and it could cost them their job/offer.
Kids will almost encourage themselves to be victims of online bullying by posting endless selfies ... then get all depressed and suicidal when someone says how stupid and ugly they look.
[quote=mooman ]People are almost conditioned to think they are living an exciting rockstars lifestyle. That everybody wants to see what they had for breakfast; where they walked the dog; what their partner said over tea, or what sage-like words of wisdom they have philosophized that day ... basically most people just post a complete load of uninteresting nonsense; basically the nonsense they wouldn`t dare bore a person outside of social media with.
Yet people know most employers, or potential employers, will search social media for such nonsense ... and it could cost them their job/offer.
Kids will almost encourage themselves to be victims of online bullying by posting endless selfies ... then get all depressed and suicidal when someone says how stupid and ugly they look.
I bet you Follow the Daily Mail on facebook
People are almost conditioned to think they are living an exciting rockstars lifestyle. That everybody wants to see what they had for breakfast; where they walked the dog; what their partner said over tea, or what sage-like words of wisdom they have philosophized that day
Honestly, my feed is NOT like that.
scotroutes - MemberI bet you Follow the Daily Mail on facebook
... ummm, is n`t the Daily Mail a newspaper? so if I followed that, wouldnt I be having silly right-wing headlines ... and not what I just described?
But I get where your coming from ... straight from FB obviously 🙄
[quote=molgrips ]Honestly, my feed is NOT like that.
<posting a load of rubbish for molgrips' feed>
Mine neither - I don't know what I've done wrong. I have loads of FB friends and none of them post inane drivel 🙁
most people just post a complete load of uninteresting nonsense; basically the nonsense they wouldn`t dare bore a person outside of social media with.
Well yes and no.
e.g. A mate of mine often posts photos of his kayak trips and I quite enjoy flicking through them on Facebook to see where he has been and live adventures vicariously through him.
But if he showed up at the pub one night with his photo album then people would rightly think he was a bit weird.
Yet people know most employers, or potential employers, will search social media for such nonsense ... and it could cost them their job/offer.
Pretty easy to block, only friends can see my profile and you can't search for me by email.
Not if you post in public areas.
Also companies I have worked with have profiled people not only by there own activity but the whats known about their connections.
How do you think we ended up with Brexshit and Trump? A whisper here and whisper there in the ear and before you know it an Orange idiot looks like a good leader.
Yes, it's a good way of weeding out the companies that you definitely wouldn't want to work for.
Yes, it's a good way of weeding out the companies that you definitely wouldn't want to work for.
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