[Closed] F1 Grid Girls under review

Its the end of an era... but I don't expect we'll see scenes similar to Miner's Strike

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Sod the grid boys/girls anything. If it's raining get a team person to hold the umbrella. But if you want some extra people in the grid for photos/publicity get some kids in to inspire them. Same with cycling. Podiums should be kids from the local club given the chance to meet their heros. Top level sport has to inspire, not show gratuitous tit/legs/arse etc.

Thats a great idea ^

I find the whole thing very outdated, grid/ring/podium girls etc Im watching for the sport not the 2 seconds of pretty lady footage, there is plenty of that kind of stuff available on the internet... so im told

*shrugs*

Maybe the teams could do a lottery amongst their own fans

I agree it all looks a bit 70s to be honest!

Same with cycling

Golf needs to clean up its act too

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[quote=shermer75 ]I agree it all looks a bit 70s to be honest!

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If you say so....

Top level sport has to inspire, not show gratuitous tit/legs/arse etc.

When I was a kid it was the tit/legs/arse that inspired me to watch my sporting heroes 😛

it was the tit/legs/arse that inspired me to watch my sporting heroes

Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks?

I can see why grid girls are out of step with the times and may put potential viewers off.

It doesn't chime well when pit lane interviewers talk to a growing band of female technical and team managerial staff, I am hopeful that someday very soon we'll see a female F1 driver competing in actual races again.

I am hopeful that someday very soon we'll see a female F1 driver competing in actual races again.

Don't hold your breath!

But if you want some extra people in the grid for photos/publicity get some kids in to inspire them

IoM TT is well ahead of the game. They've had cub scouts up on the podium since ever.

Back when F1 used to be at Brands Hatch, they used to have deals with all the local scout and youth groups. I got a few full weekend passes with grandstand / press enclosure access, and free entry to the pit walk in exchange for about 3 hours worth of voluntary work. Couple of F1, and more truck races than I can remember.

I'm sure the various circuits must still have contacts.

They've had cub scouts up on the podium since ever.

Sexist. Where are the Brownies?!

Brownies are knitting. 😉
Girls who like motorsport are already in Cubs

If you say so....

I'd love it if it looked like that!! 🙂

Michelle Mouton was runner up in the 1982 wrc driver table but it was driving a zzzzzzzzz Audi
Still good achievement and can't see many women getting as far as that again in the near future

Don't hold your breath!

Particularly with Carmen Jorda working with the FIA. She's helped unite female racing drivers AGAINST her as she says women aren't good enough to compete with men. What she means is SHE isn't good enough. 11 years of racing, no wins, no pole positions, no fastest laps and in 3 seasons of GP3 never even scored a top 10 finish. If I was cynical I'd have said they hired her because of her image, not motorsports credentials.

Another member of the council is Michelle Mouton, someone with actual credentials so it's a surprise the FIA chose Jorda.

From Jalopnik - [url= https://jalopnik.com/international-motorsports-council-picks-worst-woman-pos-1821125721 ]International Motorsports Council Picks Worst Woman Possible To Represent Women[/url]

Quote from Pippa Mann

If the news I am hearing is correct, and you have appointed a racer with no notable results, who does not believe we compete as equals in this sport, to represent women in racing, I am incredibly disappointed.
Sincerely -an #Indy500 qualifier, #IndyLights race winner.

she says women aren't good enough to compete with men.

is there not a physical challange in a F1 car environment that might limit how close they can get ?

Perhaps. But a driver who has not even earned the tag "mediocre" is hardly best placed to work that out. There are sufficient women in racing with real credentials to indicate that perhaps opportunity is the problem as opposed to ability. You'll never know unless people try, though. Getting a woman through the lower categories with manufacturer support would be a start. Red Bull and Renault have been looking, that's for sure.

Michelle Mouton was runner up in the 1982 wrc driver table but it was driving a zzzzzzzzz Audi

No more than there is in a fighter jet, and it’s been noted that biologically, a woman’s physiology makes them superior to men in high G situations.

Grid girls, yes or no? is a question for grid girls, is it not? Do the people who currently do it, want to keep doing it? Do other models also want to do it? Do they feel it demeans or exploites then whilst doing it? Is it an opportunity for them to showcase their talents on national TV? So long as the answer to those questions is favourable and it’s done tastefully, what’s the issue?

I have to confess, I can’t even remember the last time I noticed grid girls...

is there not a physical challange in a F1 car environment that might limit how close they can get ?

Tits in the way innit

Grid girls, yes or no? is a question for grid girls, is it not?

So long as the answer to those questions is favourable and it’s done tastefully, what’s the issue?

13 pages of the same argument here

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/podium-girls

That would allow all those people that want to follow that 'career' and exploit their 'beauty' (as they may not also have been blessed with 'smarts' as well) to keep doing that job, which is my problem with banning them.

Not saying you intended it and I might have taken it the wrong way but that reads a bit like you saying they're all stupid.

I work in motorsport and have spent a bit of time around the BTCC grid and pitlane and some of the girls are petrol heads and love motorsport, some of them have other careers and pretty decent jobs, others are studying and do it for a bit of extra money, I bet some of them earn more from their normal careers than I do and are probably a lot more intelligent too 😆

It's not like any of them are being forced into doing it, I'm probably a bit biased but I don't see who it's harming. To the people that think it should be banned what would you or anyone else actually gain from that?

Well? Post some up and we'll review 'em!

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Women dont have an inherent G advantage over men, short people do and on average women are shorter. Still plenty of tall fast jet drivers though, because the ability to pull sustained G isn't that relevant as it bleeds energy.

F1 cars pull a different type of g anyway, lateral side to side loads... not the kind that pulls blood in your brain or legs.

to be honest I think there are worse objectifications of the female form...

Miss World anyone?

Tom_W1987 - Member
Women dont have an inherent G advantage over men, short people do and on average women are shorter. Still plenty of tall fast jet drivers though, because the ability to pull sustained G isn't that relevant as it bleeds energy.

F1 cars pull a different type of g anyway, lateral side to side loads... not the kind that pulls blood in your brain or legs.

Well, apart from the 5g when you brake. Only short duration though.

Not saying you intended it and I might have taken it the wrong way but that reads a bit like you saying they're all stupid.

yep, the wrong way.

If you were born with beauty but not with smarts why should you not be allowed to exploit that as much as possible to earn a living - after all those without beauty but with smarts are allowed to exploit their smarts to gain an advantage over you.

If you have beauty and smarts then the world is your oyster...

Yes, I was thinking of the constantly being smashed about in an F1 car, having inherently a better and stronger musclature would surely help here.

No saying that women can't drive better than men as there are several examples where that is very true, just saying the physically traumatic environment might be an issue for out-and-out competition between men and women.

There's obviously going to be some women who can compete on those grounds as there's alway a distribution, but not as many women surely.

Miss World anyone?

if you insist...

[quote=trailwagger ]to be honest I think there are worse objectifications of the female form...
Miss World anyone?

True but we dont allow speeding because drunk driving is worse.

To the people that think it should be banned what would you or anyone else actually gain from that?

I do find it weird that anyone on either side of the argument does not know what the other side think

to be honest I think there are worse objectifications of the female form...

to me it seems worse if someone has to wear a 'uniform', that seems to be the degrading bit.

Put it this way, if a woman is up to the physical demands of flying a Eurofighter Typhoon or similar agile fighter jet, then I've no doubt that they can cope with driving an F1 car.

A better world with less sexual exploitation. Why did you need to ask?

but who is exploiting who here ?

If someone has beauty then here is an avenue where they can go and exploit the stupidness of the men that find pit girls desirable, and make some money out of it, and maybe pay for their education with it, etc.

I saw a documentary where there were many highly educated women in the US porn industry that had funded their education from making movies and were now producers, so it was they who were exploiting the stupid men that bought that stuff.

I don't like the pit or podium girl stuff and find it a bit cringeworthy myself.

then I've no doubt that they can cope with driving an F1 car.

I saw a documentary where there were many highly educated women in the US porn industry that had funded their education from making movies and were now producers, so it was they who were exploiting the stupid men that bought that stuff.

I don’t think putting a few dozen highly paid people out of work for the sake of mock offence is a good idea.

To deny people like to look at attractive people is to deny human nature - so why not make advertising boards out of them - it’s not like the drivers aren’t plastered head to toe in ads.

I don’t think putting a few dozen highly paid people out of work for the sake of mock offence is a good idea.

I have to confess, I can’t even remember the last time I noticed grid girls...

What do you make of this ...

My daughter's company arranged an Xmas do for the staff ... a burlesque show. 😆

Pit stops will be a nightmare ,what with having to Facebook all her friends how the race is going before she can head back out onto the circuit.

Ha, Lewis has cornered the entire world's supply of hashtags.

Funnily enough, my better half openly says that one of the most entertaining shows she's ever been to was a burlesque show. An amazing singer who calls herself Lily La Scala. Madame Butterfly has never been the same since.

They've had cub scouts up on the podium since ever.
Sexist. Where are the Brownies?!

What's sexist about inviting cub scouts - which has been open to both genders for over 20 years?

A better world with less sexual exploitation.

How is that working out in cultures where women's modesty is fiercely guarded?

[quote=Chest_Rockwell ]How is that working out in cultures where women's modesty is fiercely guarded?

By covering themselves with straw?

I saw a documentary where there were many highly educated women in the US porn industry that had funded their education from making movies and were now producers, so it was they who were exploiting the stupid men that bought that stuff.

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They don't let boys in the Brownies though.... well.... 😈

Anyway - don't see what the issue is personally......
She seems perfectly happy

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[url= http://www.cityam.com/239248/f1-grid-girls-should-stay-says-women-in-motorsport-ambassador-and-former-williams-driver-susie-wolff ]F1 grid girls should stay, says women in motorsport ambassador and former Williams driver Susie Wolff[/url]

“We’re here to simply promote the sport in a positive light and say ‘I am a woman and I am in the sport. There isn’t a barrier.’”

She said: “The truth is that no one in this sport cares whether someone is male or female. They always take the best person for the job.”

Yes all research shows that this is very typical of the porn industry Bright intelligent women in charge everywhere
BS and you must know this

here's an article from 2008 about women on the rise in that industry :

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28022805/ns/health-sexual_health/t/women-top-female-execs-rise-porn-biz/#.WjPgDzdpFhE

maybe you need to revise which decade you live in ?

What do you make of this ...

My daughter's company arranged an Xmas do for the staff ... a burlesque show.

not that I've been to one but I believe the audiences are far from being all men, I've seen stats of 60% heterosexual women.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/zoe-charles/burlesque-women_b_4759076.html

am hopeful that someday very soon we'll see a female F1 driver competing in actual races

and Shemales!

Oh my tits on STW.

5 more pages.

maybe you need to revise which decade you live in ?

I've seen stats of 60% heterosexual women.

What might interest those who've never been to see a show before is that over 50% of the audience are usually women and the men that do come want to enjoy a night that showcases powerful women being funny, sexy, clever and thoroughly entertaining - and why the hell not?

Not sure what sort of show would ask people their sexuality as they enter so again I am calling BS

The burlesque scene was kept afloat by lesbians, or so my friend who ran a club in London assured me. I think hers is closed now though.

Very different to mainstream strip clubs, more like am-dram or cabaret than sex work.

I'm very disappointing by the lack of nostalgic pics on this thread.

My charge is that highly educated women running the industry is not the norm, not that they dont exist, and your ink does not even address this claim.

where did I ever say they were running the industry - you really need to concentrate more - you seem to continually make stuff up and then argue against it.

Dita Von Teese mentioning 60%, she's probably more of an expert on burlesque audiences than you :

https://clclt.com/charlotte/why-are-women-attracted-to-burlesque/Content?oid=3233049

You have seen lots of things that are not at all typical and also things that are not in the link you give and that you cannot evidence

if I quote something and then include a link following a colon, then it implies that the quote came from the link. If I use a full stop between the statement and the link, then there is no direct correlation...

😀

It seems some are saying its sexist and mysoginist and exploiting to have pit and podium girls and f1 is full of men....so if the men in charge banned them would that not be all of the above....sort of...if i was an attractive women and could be paid for that i would...

Just saying like...

As susie wolff says its part of the glamour...

I'm very disappointing by the lack of nostalgic pics on this thread.

I'm just impressed that the mods are so monk-like they've not bothered to take a closer look at the pictures above. 🙂

Cool turner so we both agree that whilst there are some women in high places its a male dominated industry and the example[s] you cited are highly atypical
Great Glad to hear it

She is indeed more of an expert than either of us but I am not sure how she can tell their sexuality - do you have an explanation? No need to apologise for citing something from the last decade whilst mocking me nor citing something that did not prove what you claimed 🙄

you really need to concentrate more

you seem to continually make stuff up

I find it rather revealing that a Global Brand like F1 is, is still entrenched in objectification. There is clearly no requirement that the Podium or Umbrella holders [i]should[/i] be Women, and scantily clad Women at that.

So, no requirement means it's a choice based decision process no doubt chaired by blokes and attendees are blokes as well no doubt. Barely any consideration given to the objectification.
I'd fully expect F1 outsource the Entertainment Media Suite to some Global organisation with a tight legal driven contract to provide Women, and Women only as Brolly wagglers and Podium eye candy.

However, most of us in the Western World have distanced ourselves from poor judgement regional stereotypes and Women objectification.. Oh.. hang on.. we haven't really come that far have we. 🙄

if I quote something and then include a link following a colon, then it implies that the quote came from the link. If I use a full stop between the statement and the link, then there is no direct correlation...

I am enjoying this. Childish posts that convince no one but very very amusing reading. Please quote that back to me and say that is you that is 😆

There is clearly no requirement that the Podium or Umbrella holders should be Women, and scantily clad Women at that.

You reckon? I doubt they're paid for nothing. My guess is that the media are more likely to show images if there are people who are pleasing to the eye in them becuase those are the images the public want to look at.

If you don't buy that theory, why do you think these women are employed? As a charitable gesture?

I'd rather see this kind of porn in the pits myself (bikes too)

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PHWOAR!!!!!

Sex sells. If I'd pumped millions of quid into an F1 team, I wouldn't want the best close up footage of my cars and drivers on the grid spoilt by some Norms-the-name in a packa mac holding the umbrella!

It seems the PC brigade are happy for folk to self identify as anything other than a good old fashioned red blooded male!

Would I think differently if my daughter asked me what I thought of her doing it?
Uh, not if there's free F1 tickets involved for daddy dearest 😆

The ultimate destination for all this ultra-pc prudishness is pretty close to some kind of extreme religion. And look at the sorts of deprived sex scandals they throw up!

It's a sport of incredible indulgence. Billionaires paying drivers millions of pounds to risk life and limb burning high octane fuel going round in circles so people cheer them and watch them spray alcohol over each other at the finish line isn't exactly virtuous!
So who exactly is a decision like this supposed to please??

Not even half a page in and already an anology with prostitution.. Dear lord..

Who says that being a grid girl isn't something that some girls aspire to. By all accounts it's an amazing experience and they love it. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it should be stopped.

I get the impression that those who are so against it will be the type of busy body handwringers who sit at home all day with their ugly wives scouring the news for the next thing to get offended about.

This is page 3 - Why is it that some claim only Neanderthal charmless **** wit men with no social skills and low intellect enjoy them?

womans choice innit

do you want to be a face seem by millions on the grid

sure

oh sorry someone says its sexist and we should all be ashamed for looking

wonder if they would take the pay cut to go sit at an office job day in day ou ( other jobs are available) rather than pottering round the world

I only looked at this thinking it was pictures of grid girls ,, to review 🙁

Grid girls, yes or no? is a question for grid girls, is it not?

No.

Just to clear this up - it isn't about the girls themselves, it's about setting the tone with the rest of society. If my daughters watch F1 they'll see the men doing all the exciting driving, and the women literally doing nothing beyond standing around looking pretty. This does not send a good message.

So who exactly is a decision like this supposed to please??

Parents who want their kids to grow up thinking that boys and girls are equal, that the exciting stuff is for everyone. Parents like me.

But the opportunity is there for women to be F1 drivers......
So your daughter has freedom of choice.

It's arguable my son has less freedom- he's never going to be sexy enough to promote a high profile brand image 😆

If my daughters watch F1

yeah right 😀

[quote=Yak ]if you want some extra people in the grid for photos/publicity get some kids in to inspire them. Same with cycling. Podiums should be kids from the local club given the chance to meet their heros

+1

But only the hot ones.

So you dont want your own to do it