I wonder if Red Bull/AT are regretting not leaving the decision on who to sign as driver for 2024 a little longer.
Naaah - they'll just hoof Checo out if he has a bad start to next season.
Re Andretti - I want an 11th team, and more driver options not a buyout.
Alpha Tauri should be sold though - one owner having two teams shouldn't be allowed.
Alpha Tauri should be sold though – one owner having two teams shouldn’t be allowed.
I'm sure there used to be rules about this, has it changed?
I don't think the rules on team ownership have changed - but since the cost-cap came in there's been the dodgy grey area over passing data between the two teams.
Hard to prove cheating, but I bet there are a few 'management' bonding meetings that go on at a fancy resort away from FIA's eyes and ears.
is there a chance that they’ll buy Haas?
Haas isn't for sale. If it was, Andretti would have bought it already.
I wonder if Red Bull/AT are regretting not leaving the decision on who to sign as driver for 2024 a little longer.
No. Lawson has done really well but he needs experience.
I’m sure there used to be rules about this, has it changed?
At one point, Toro Rosso tried running a copy of the Red Bull car. After that, the rules were changed to specify which components could be purchased and which had to be designed in-house. Aston Marin got a bit clever with that and copied some Merc parts (because they were buying as much Merc stuff as they were allowed). That led to further tightening of the rules. Basically, teams have to show all the drawings, wind-tunnel data, etc. that they used to design their car.
There are still some potential benefits from having a junior team (which Ferrari seem to have taken advantage with by sending personnel to work at Haas), but Red Bull and AT can't just share data and run the same car, AT have to show that they designed and produced their own car.
Also, things are different now, but having a rich company that was willing to keep a team on the grid was a very good thing until the last couple of years. Minardi would have folded if Red Bull hadn't bought it. Minard, Sauber, Williams, Lotus/Renault, and Aston Martin all had very close encounters with death. If things had gone a bit differently, there might have only been five teams still running. Red Bull saving Minardi was good for the sport.
Red Bull saving Minardi was good for the sport.
It was back in the day - but the F1 landscape has changed massively since those days.
Alpine even announced a £26m profit in 2022 - F1 teams NEVER made a profit! 🙂
I Just don't see how two teams can be run without crossover of ideas and thinking. If AT and their new closer alliance with the main team spring it up to podiums then questions need to be asked.
I Just don’t see how two teams can be run without crossover of ideas and thinking.
AT can't just build a copy of the Red Bull, they have to actually design and develop their own car and show the engineering drawings, wind-tunnel data, etc. There are still potential benefits to owning two teams, but they are required to show that they independently developed two different cars and didn't share any engineering data.
Excellent interview with Newey
Just listened to this, loved t!
AT can’t just build a copy of the Red Bull, they have to actually design and develop their own car and show the engineering drawings, wind-tunnel data, etc. There are still potential benefits to owning two teams, but they are required to show that they independently developed two different cars and didn’t share any engineering data.
And this is across everything.
One of my karting teammates, works for Mercedes F1, and currently Toto has him working on the Americas Cup boat. Everything has to be kept separate, as part of the cost cap and not using one programme to test things (boats) which could then be used on another programme (F1)
Red Bull can sell AT parts on the common list, in the way that MGP sell gearboxes and suspension to McLaren & Aston. Everything else has to be completely separate
AT can’t just build a copy of the Red Bull
I'm not if they would want them to even if it was allowed, with a sister team you have a opportunity to trial the stuff that you think might work but can't afford to take the risk on with your A team. Take the start of 2022 for example, literally no-one knew which design philosphy was going to work out best. Listening to Adrian Newey on the above podcast, it was fascinating to hear him say that they were looking at the Mercedes design and wondering who had gone in the right direction- seems daft now, in hindsight, but at the time it literally came down to nothing more scientific than guy instinct and hoping for the best. In case we've forgotten, Ferrari had the faster car at the start of the season, and Mercedes pulled off a win in Brazil, so it wasn't so obvious that Red Bull had the best design as it is now
Stroll Sr going big again joining the WEC with the Valkyrie
(Rumour has it that Lance has a year to find some performance before being shuffled across to the WEC programme)
https://www.the-race.com/wec-le-mans/aston-martin-u-turns-on-le-mans-project/
(Rumour has it that Lance has a year to find some performance before being shuffled across to the WEC programme)
It's a fair point, the bankrolling can't last forever
Daddy has bought Lance a new train set to play with!
MGP sell gearboxes and suspension to
McLaren &Aston & gearboxes to Williams.
McLaren make their own gearbox, Williams used to until very recently.
I believe Aston were recently trying to get a rule change where the gearbox became a shared part amongst all the teams as it's a cost they will have when they join up with Honda.
I believe Aston were recently trying to get a rule change where the gearbox became a shared part amongst all the teams as it’s a cost they will have when they join up with Honda.
It's obviously self-serving for AM because they don't want to have to spend the money to develop their own gearbox, but I do think they are right. By my count, there are five gearboxs used across the 10 teams, but they all function essentially the same and don't give any performance benefit. Standardizing on one would save huge amounts of money and only the geekiest fans would know that anything changed.
It's a difficult one to some extent on the gearbox as teams would still need to make the expensive casing themselves as otherwise you would be standardising the rear suspension to some extent as the pickup points would all be in the same place on the casing. I don't really think its a route they should go down. Yes it would reduce costs but it brings it a step closer to spec racing.
I listened to the Beyond The Grid interview with George Russell this morning....he really does come across as a man who would do a PowerPoint presentation to Toto 😆😴
Lance not a happy bunny!
Nope! 🤣
Checo wasting that car again too. He’s had a good career but needs to sod off now.
Stroll jnt really throwing toys out of the pram.. like he's been told that his pocket money allowance has been cut. Checo trying to make Alpha tauri look fast by driving his Rb backwards
Did Stroll just assault his physio?!
Outstanding effort by the McLarens there! Should be a good sprint race
One advantage of Verstappen wrapping up the championships so early in the season is that it'll give us the chance of some more interesting races as he starts to slack off!
They might even squeeze in a couple laps without a safety car
How can Perez keep his seat now. Madness.
That was actually really exciting by the end! Are there anymore high speed corner tracks coming up, so we can see the McLarens shine again?
Shame Albon didn't quite get Lelerc - 4 thousandths in it at the line!
Looks like he (and a few others) will get him. 4 track limits violations will net you a 5 sec penalty
The big question is will Liam Lawson be racing for Williams next season?
The big question is will Liam Lawson be racing for Williams next season?
No
how about will lance stroll be racing for aston martin?
Also no (not the F1 team anyway)
Can't remember where i read it but allegdly Stroll Snr is looking to sell the F1 team to the Saudi sportwashing group.
Can’t remember where i read it but allegdly Stroll Snr is looking to sell the F1 team to the Saudi sportwashing group.
Thought that would be once he’d got them to a level where they were fighting for titles, a plan that wont be fulfilled for a few years yet.
And wont involve his lad, if this season is anything to go by.
There's going to be a lot of pitstops in the race - 18 laps maximum allowed on a set of tyres, 57 lap race.
There’s going to be a lot of pitstops in the race – 18 laps maximum allowed on a set of tyres, 57 lap race.
So, everyone has to make 3 pitstops, what's the optimum strategy? Run right to the 18 lap limit and hope for a safety car?
what happens with a safety car will it still be 18 laps. will people have to pit if the safety car appears whilst on lap 18 of their current set? Also used sets will have a reduced life so how many teams have 3 unused sets to maximise the 3 stops.
I can see why they are all pee'd off having this put on them now having run tyres. Shame pirelli couldnt give them all new tyre sets for the race to minimise the impact
Sainz out already, Perez pitlane start
so how many teams have 3 unused sets to maximise the 3 stops.
You'd need 4 unused sets for that. There's a table with all of the tyres and how far they can go on each set here...
oh dear 🙂
Oops Mercedes!
Oops dear oh dear
FFS - not watched F1 in quite a while (doing other stuff on weekends), recently upgraded to Sky Glass, turned it on about 5.50pm ready for this and... I have to buy the entire Sky Sports package at £27/month if I want to watch F1. **** that!
Previously, on my old Box, F1 came as part of the HD package which was fine. No way am I upgrading to a whole load of football channels that I have zero interest in just to watch the few remaining F1 races.
🤬
Can you not get it via Now TV?
