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Hard to say, and I'll bet we'll be getting some content on YouTube etc asking exactly this question. But the speed at which they pass all the other cars in the DRS zones is just mental! Checo passing Tsunoda today is a pretty good example
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QXNiUJWJp6Y
Red flag because some tbh ing dangerous happened. Restarting in the most dangerous why they can always seems like a good plan
If it's that risky they prob shouldn't do it at the start of every single race either
They shouldn’t, that’s been discussed to death in the past. The standing start is just a big selling point as it’s a good show
If they rewound the positions to before the last red flag then any penalties applied to people after it should be too surely? e.g. Sainz's racing incident one.
people suspect that Red Bull are sandbagging and not showing its true speed, was the Mercedes ever this dominant?
Yes, but Rosberg was a fairly decent driver who made Hamilton work for his titles. The Williams that Mansell and Prost won titles in were also utterly dominant. So was the 88 McLaren, but Prost and Senna both driving it made the season competitive. Ferrari had a couple of utterly dominant cars during the Schumacher years too, as I recall. Dominant cars aren't anything new and we won't know until the end of the season how dominant the Red Bull really is. It's not impossible that their aerodynamic testing restrictions will let Merc close the gap by mid-year. I'm not saying it's likely, just that it's not impossible. The Brawn started off utterly dominant but they couldn't sustain that.
My team mate was on fire today....and still is 🤣
was the Mercedes ever this dominant?
Oh yes, miles faster than everything around it.
This is a farce! Again!
Yep.
Getting to the point where its becoming a joke/lottery.
Next it'll be banana skins and turtles on track, to add "entertainment"
Motorsport seems a bit lost, F1 and MotoGP - too much focus on The Show, which ironically skrews up the show.
Have we watched Villeneuve Pironi? Bit longer than it needed to be, for me.
Thought it was a bit harsh that Sainz got a penalty but Gasly didn't. Nor Sargeant. Entertaining race up to that point though.
For anyone else that was wondering about how come Hamilton got away with dropping so far back on the formation lap, apparently the safety car switched its lights off, therefore he was allowed to dictate the pace at that point.
This race reminded me why I just watch the highlights on C4 now - no waiting for the endless restarts and it cuts out the full moments.
But the best bit of C4s coverage is not having to head David Croft.
is not having to head David Croft.
That's a sentence that needs to be removed from the Universe.
Anyway...
Bernie Ecclescake knew of cheating in 2008, but let things slide to stop any fuss, allowing LH to claim his first championship.
Massa considering his legal options.
I think that case has a less than zero chance of ever getting near the inside of a courtroom. I feel for Massa, it must sting, but the wise words of Elsa are relevant here
Why does he think they should have nullified the race, as opposed to disqualifying renault?
because it turns out they had enough info to investigate, but they left it until after the end of the season, and under the rules at the time the race results for Singapore should have been nullified if they'd have investigated straight away
Nice comparison of Merc, RB, Aston and Ferrari's driver positions here
Haha very good
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and under the rules at the time the race results for Singapore should have been nullified if they’d have investigated straight away
And if it had been then McLaren and Ferrari would have approached the last 3 races differently.
It stung for Massa, but it's history.
Bernie Ecclescake knew of cheating in 2008, but let things slide to stop any fuss, allowing LH to claim his first championship.
Bernie is like Donald Trump, he gets kicks out of talking shit and watching everyone run around in circles in response. He must be laughing his arse off about people taking this seriously.
nickc
Full Memberbecause it turns out they had enough info to investigate, but they left it until after the end of the season, and under the rules at the time the race results for Singapore should have been nullified if they’d have investigated straight away
I've now read every article and forum post I can find on this, and not a single one can point out a specific rule or reason that the race would be voided in this scenario, only that Bernie said it would be.
On that basis I'm inclined to think it is utter horse shit.
Seems 'The Show' needs two more wheels added now!!!...
https://www.racefans.net/2023/04/06/racefans-round-up-06-04-6/
On that basis I’m inclined to think it is utter horse shit.
Yes, as I said, this will never get anywhere near a courtroom.
I was going to post that WEC is live this weekend for those who have Discovery+/Eurosport - should be a good race.
This was scary though - really shouldn’t have got through that fence…
https://twitter.com/naturalparadigm/status/1646887585069821954?s=46&t=EQoHg-RGok071Fjc15ZHKw
IMSA race at Longbeach too 👍
This was scary though – really shouldn’t have got through that fence…
From the photos on that thread the fence was intact. It seems to me the car was launched off the tyres over the fence.
Pause the video at 7 seconds in and you see the fence is ruined so something has defo gone through it which is scary! (looks to be the engine!) luckily the seating area was empty
Ah right. I was looking at this
...but after your post I looked again and saw this
See the fence to the right. That's a big gravel trap and a tyre wall which ought to contain the car.
Porsche super slow again, the 963 looks to be a lemon 🍋
It’s tough supporting Ferrari to take it to Toyota.
Seems the F1 teams have done a 'gains -v- fine' cost analysis!... 🙂
https://www.planetf1.com/news/f1-chief-more-than-nervous-2022-budget-cap-findings/
That reads like Red Bull saying "look at all these bad people, we weren't actually cheating that much last year after all". Really wish the cost cap submissions and review were more closely coupled to the season they apply to - yes it's complicated but this is F1, everything is complicated.
so basically
friday
fp1
qualifying
saturday
sprint qualifying
sprint
sunday
race
So, just wondering how this in-season change is gonna impact the cost cap? Is this gonna give teams a chance to fudge their numbers (as, I assume, there must be some financial incentive for the teams as the vote for this change was unanimous).
What happens if there's a major crash during the sprint and either teams don't have enough time to rebuild cars or don't have sufficient funds?
It’s just all very ‘American’. And sad to see Stefano dancing to Liberties tune.
Money has always been king in F1 but you kind of felt Bernie still had one eye on the heritage.
WTF, I can't keep track of when I should watch the F1, and which are the most important bits to watch. It was all very easy when it was Qualifying and Race.
And, what about the budget cap? More tyres and a mandated Sprint Qualy strategy plus more mechanical wear on the cars introduced after the season has started...
but you kind of felt Bernie still had one eye on the heritage.
No, no I didn't. Bernie would 've sold his granny into slavery for a race in some backwater run by an aged despot and their feeble attempt to give their regime some credibility. The fact that F1 runs races in some of the worst places on earth, and no longer in some of the more iconic European venues is almost entirely Bernie's Legacy.
Watching FP1 at work now - If the aim of these format changes was to mix up the grid it may actually work.
Alpine are now basically screwed for the race - Gasly on fire and Ocon out with related issue.
Mercedes - not setting things alight and Russell stuck in the pits.
Straight into main race qualifying this afternoon, so no time to sort things out.
Oops, bit of a strange mistake from Nyck there, he was carrying way too much speed. Wonder if the brakes lost too much temperature on the long straight.
Wonder how c4 are going to cover this - looks like they have their normal "qualifying" highlights show on Sat so will be interesting to see what they choose to show from race quali, sprint quali and sprint race.
FFS red flag again, Gasly tagged the wall
'Best Drivers in the World!' 🙂
How many hours to get through Q1? Its becoming a farce.
merc's upgrades have worked well then
McLaren updates seem to be working...
...Mercedes ones - not so much! 😬
I'm I alone in wanting to cringe my face off every time Ted Kravitz is on screen? He makes Alan Partridge look professional