And Ferrari - another season of great promise fizzling out into mediocrity.
Police Interceptors would have to chuck out a stinger to wreck those mediums on Max’s car!! 🤣
I was "surprised" to hear Coulthard claiming Red Bull's fine would come out of their budget cap money. You'd think he'd bother to check his facts 😂
Another bold strategy from Red Bull reaping benefits while Mercedes play it too safe again
Russell is running out of toys to throw out of the car! 🤣🧸🪀🚂
Danny Ric went full beast mode there, nice job. Harsh penalty I thought.
Just revisiting Ric on Tsu.
The move:
The rules:
For overtaking on the inside of a corner
In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.
When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.
Danny's front wheel was between Tsunoda's front & rear at the apex which is a "significantly portion", he wasn't out of control, he stayed within track limits.
So why was it a 10 second penalty?
multi21
Free MemberI’m not sure i believe that story, highly doubt they’re that thin skinned they’d care what ted said.
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Well, just read Horner's statement, it turns out they are 😅
Another bold strategy from Red Bull reaping benefits while Mercedes play it too safe again
Yep, Mercedes strategy just didn't come off today because they were just too conservative. They seem to have forgotten that they need to take the fight to RB, they're not defending anymore.
@multi21 - I wasn't so sure that the penalty was correct either, but if you look at where the drivers start turning into the corner, I think it's more obvious that DR was too far back.
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Full Member@multi21 – I wasn’t so sure that the penalty was correct either, but if you look at where the drivers start turning into the corner, I think it’s more obvious that DR was too far back.
Yeah true but that's why I checked the rules, the official line is "significantly alongside by no later than the apex".
But that leads to the situation where you can stuff it up the inside from waaay back... As above, I was originally against the penalty then reviewed my thoughts. I guess that's why there are actual humans involved in the decision - sometimes it's not as clear-cut as can be outlined in a few words. As it is, I don't think DR was ever going to gain another place and he didn't lose any so I suspect he'll not be giving a shit today 😉
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scotroutes
Full MemberBut that leads to the situation where you can stuff it up the inside from waaay back… As above, I was originally against the penalty then reviewed my thoughts. I guess that’s why there are actual humans involved in the decision – sometimes it’s not as clear-cut as can be outlined in a few words. 😉
Well yeah sure but change the wording of the rules to say that then!
I take your point anbout divebombs but just look, "significantly alongside" looong before the apex.
You can look at Yuki's steering angle and make the argument that Yuki already committed at that point, all i'm saying though is that's not how the rule is worded.
As it is, I don’t think DR was ever going to gain another place and he didn’t lose any so I suspect he’ll not be giving a shit today
Lol he definitely doesn't give a shiny shit, after seeing the replay of the incident he said something like "oh well I feel a lot less guilty about it now i've seen it!" 😀
So why was it a 10 second penalty?
Because the stewards looked at it and decided it deserved a penalty. The matter is closed, time to move on.
The fact that Tsunoda was punted off the track at high speed, was probably the deciding factor in that decision. Had there just beed a bit of rubbing, then I doubt Ricciardo would have faced any penalty. But it was a bit rash, and drivers have a responsibility to ensure the safety of all others on track. From that pic, it looks like Tsunoda has the racing line in that corner, as Ricciardo would probably have run a bit wide coming in at that angle, that fast.
Bit of a boring race, was hoping Perez could have got up onto Lewis back wheels, given us a bit of a show, but Lewis, even in a slightly inferior car, is too good. Merc's progress, since the FIA changed the rules a bit to allow Mercedes to be more competitive, has been excellent, and it's encouraging for next season, as it means it hopefully won't be the Max Verstappen show all season again. He is on another level from the rest though, and even with RB's penalties, he could still destroy the field once more. 14 wins in one season. Wow.
I wouldn't bet against him winning the final 2 races. I'm more disappointed in how much Ferrari have dropped away as the season has progressed.
The penalty of Ric was fair. Where a driver involved is forced to retire as a result there will usually be a penalty for the other driver. Had he not retired the penalty may have been less.
Think Perez had a poor drive IMO. way off Max and couldnt keep up with Hamilton on softer tyres. Not unexpected though.
14 wins in one season. Wow.
It's an incredible achievement. To put it into perspective; in 1988 it took the combined efforts of Senna AND Prost to win 15GP in a year, Max is one away from equalling that, and there are two more GPs left.
It’s an incredible achievement. To put it into perspective; in 1988 it took the combined efforts of Senna AND Prost to win 15GP in a year, Max is one away from equalling that, and there are two more GPs left.
Yes, but there were only 16 races that season....
Schumacher won 13/18 in 2004 (72%)
Verstappen has had a great season, but isnt going to get that record this year.
It’s an incredible achievement.
More races in a season now though.
To get the all time % of races won (Schumacher, 72.2%, 13 of an 18 race season) he needs to win the next 2, to get 16 of 22 (72.7%)
Edit. What chew said.
...and he's had £1.74m worth of extra development sandwiches in that car 😉
I wouldn’t bet against him winning the final 2 races
Yep, it's hard to imagine anyone else getting a look in the way he is performing right now. This may well the way it is for the next few years tbh
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Bit of a boring race, was hoping Perez could have got up onto Lewis back wheels, given us a bit of a show, but Lewis, even in a slightly inferior car, is too good. Merc’s progress, since the FIA changed the rules a bit to allow Mercedes to be more competitive, has been excellent, and it’s encouraging for next season, as it means it hopefully won’t be the Max Verstappen show all season again. He is on another level from the rest though, and even with RB’s penalties, he could still destroy the field once more. 14 wins in one season. Wow.
Yeah you couldn't really ask any more from Max this season. He's done exactly what was needed to win the championship. The cars been great, the pit crew have been great. Can't really fault them.
RB seem to be overall better at strategy decisions than Merc TBH, I think the pace of the Mercedes over the last 8 seasons has masked some questionable decisions.
The race itself was a bit dull, I don't know why merc didn't let George go more aggressive and split the strategy. Didn't really feel like they had much to lose with Ferrari's lack of pace, and as it turned out looking at how quick DR was at the end, it would probably have been the optimal strategy as well.
Ferrari, well. What can you say? Mamma mia. Another race to forget. Awful. Car looked slow and very difficult to drive.
I think the pace of the Mercedes over the last 8 seasons has masked some questionable decisions.
Undoubtably true, but they have made some shockers even when winning, and like yesterday I think Lewis helps the difference with a few % of all-star-ness.
To get the all time % of races won (Schumacher, 72.2%, 13 of an 18 race season) he needs to win the next 2, to get 16 of 22 (72.7%)
Ascari did 75%. 😉
Ferrari, well. What can you say? Mamma mia. Another race to forget. Awful. Car looked slow and very difficult to drive.
The Race’s podcast goes into this briefly - the Ferrari’s apparently run smaller turbos requiring higher RPM’s to make the same boost. The mildly higher altitude at the Austrian GP resulted in Sainz’s turbo exploding due to the increased RPM, so they turned it down given Mexico city being almost 3x higher than Spielberg.
Interlagos is at almost the same altitude as Spielberg, so Ferrari maybe aren’t going to be much of a factor there either.
I wouldn’t bet against him winning the final 2 races.
Dunno, a few races ago I thought maybe Brazil would be the one I’d choose if I was a betting man and wanted to put a fiver on a Hamilton win. It’d be long odds, sure, but of the races that remained at the time it would have been the one I’d have gone for. I’m hoping for a decent race, anyway, it’s a great circuit. (No such hope for Abu Dhabi, IMO.)
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The Race’s podcast goes into this briefly – the Ferrari’s apparently run smaller turbos requiring higher RPM’s to make the same boost. The mildly higher altitude at the Austrian GP resulted in Sainz’s turbo exploding due to the increased RPM, so they turned it down given Mexico city being almost 3x higher than Spielberg.
Yes that's true, regards the driveability, Binotto said they went the wrong way with setup and couldn't sort it out with the limited practise sessions so maybe it's not as bad as it looks.
Sign me up for x4 tickets and a few nights in Caesar’s Palace - shouldn’t cost more than £20k - WTF is F1 becoming… 🤬🤬🤬
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Friend of a friend who works for McClaren said that F1 books 30,000 rooms at Vegas for the Grand Prix. He didn't explain why. Anyone have an idea?
Friend of a friend who works for McClaren said that F1 books 30,000 rooms at Vegas for the Grand Prix. He didn’t explain why. Anyone have an idea?
Teams, staff, sponsors + guests and lots of Hospitality packages? Pure guess on my part but I wonder if it's easier for all the bookings to be managed by one organisation as opposed to "everyone for themselves"
Las Vegas Grand Prix tickets go on sale starting at £440
Jesus wept, that’s Silverstone money!
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Qualifying anyone? KMag for pole???? It’s on… 😳😳😂
He did it! This is brilliantly hilarious! Haas bookend the grid!
Enjoyed that. Ferrari really are good at ****ing things up 😅
Elbows out for tomorrow KMag 🤞
"if you want to eat soup, you've gotta have a spoon"
GS. 11/11/22
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Max’s side of the garage showing Checo who number one is…
Really pleased to see Russell and Merc take that one. There were a couple of controversial inter-team battles too, with Ocon/Alsonso and Vettel/Stroll. No quarter given by either Ocon or Stroll to their teammates - Stroll pushed Vettel into the grass on the main straight. I reckon that Fernando has some choice words to say too.
great sprint race, any word on the grid infringement yet?
Great sprint, bet Max was fuming about being on the medium. The Merc is looking so much better now.
Stroll- I've given him the benefit of the doubt, but he really is not up to the required standard. Next year with him and Alonso as teammates could be interesting 🙂
Great little race h Mercs were pretty on fire but who knows what will happen tomorrow.
SV is just so cool now - going to miss him.
great sprint race, any word on the grid infringement yet?
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