‘someone’ spent the equivalent of and EXTRA YEAR OF DEVELOPMENT more than they were meant to. I think given an extra year of development time that:
I haven't seen numbers like that being thrown around? If a team had done that it's got to be expulsion from both championships.
Cor, good save from Norris, that was close. Will it be a penalty for Max?
The latest rumoured number I've seen is well under 5% which makes it a "minor" breach according to the rules, I think. Can't remember which F1 rumour site I saw it on now...
Let’s be honest all the top teams should have been accounting for minor overspends! 😀
You don’t leave an open goal for them not to have a shot at it.
Least surprising news this year.
‘Hitting pause’: Daniel Ricciardo drops 2023 bombshell as Aussie star reveals F1 future
Lewis has qualified ahead of George, 9 vs 8 so far this season.
How is that, ‘consistently out qualifying Hamilton’?
Russel has, until this GP at least, a higher average grid position than Hamilton. And a higher race finishing position, plus has one pole position. He's currently 33 points ahead of Hamilton.
Name calling like Lulu or Crash stappen or Karen says more about the poster than the driver etc.
The point I was making was about the very partizan nature of some F1 followers. for eg:
"Horner’s far and away the biggest crybaby on the grid."
"Or him maturing as a driver? (Not as a person, obvs 😂)"
"Horner who, if locked in a room on his own would irritate the paint off the walls, and had Max driving and behaving like a spoilt brat at his own birthday go cart meeting"
Etc. These are just opinions; I could just as easily say Toto Wolff is a massive 'cry baby', or that Lewis is behaving like a 'spoilt brat'. As for AD 2021; I have absolutely no doubt that had the fortunes been reversed, that many people on here would be backing the race director's decision 100%, and would be telling Max and RB to get over it. Come on. Lewis cut a corner earlier in the race, when Max overtook within the limits of the track, yet wasn't penalised. So; what goes around, comes around imo. Both drivers could only deal with what was happening on track, no good saying 'oh but' all the time. I can totally understand how Lewis feels aggrieved, but that's motor racing. Suck it up and get on with the next race/season.
And let’s be honest, to anybody who follows the sport closely, the #1 on Max’s car has a big asterisk next to it
Nah. Max beat Lewis on track, driving within the situation both drivers had in front of them. Mercedes made a mistake with not pitting for new tyres. Blah blah blah. Whatever; none of the official records show any such 'asterisk' next to Max's no.1. That's just in the heads of people who feel aggrieved that 'their' guy didn't win. I doubt any Dutch F1 fans doubt the validity of Max's WC.
Anyway. Will Max win his second DWC this weekend?
Most people (apart from the Dutch!) feel aggrieved that the rules weren’t followed but made up ‘for the show’. I don’t care wether Max or Lewis won last year, it was a great battle between them, it’s the way it was managed. Those who follow F1 closely know it wasn’t done right.
I feel aggreived by the direction F1 is heading. Too many races, too few teams, cars that are bigger than an SUV, very poor race stewards who you feel are being ‘managed’ by greater powers…
Most people (apart from the Dutch!) feel aggrieved that the rules weren’t followed but made up ‘for the show’. I don’t care wether Max or Lewis won last year, it was a great battle between them, it’s the way it was managed. Those who follow F1 closely know it wasn’t done right.
For sure. It was a major **** up. But the blame can't entirely be laid at the Race Director's feet; massive pressure to provide a spectacle, and let's face it; it was probably one of the most exciting ends to an F1 season ever! And do most people really feel 'aggrieved'? I'm not so sure. Hamilton isn't as popular outside the UK.
I feel aggreived by the direction F1 is heading
You know, you can always stop watching.
…which I’m gradually doing. I no longer feel the need to watch every practice session, I’d never miss qualifying, and it would be exceptional circumstances to miss a race.
Now I’m not as committed - cancelled Sky, tried Now but have just cancelled that. Normally I’d be up at the crack of dawn to watch tomorrows race but not now.
I don’t think I’m alone in feeling us old farts are no longer target market.
It’s hard to ween yourself off a sport you’ve followed since the 70’s.
Like here - I’ve not ridden a bike properly in 5+ years - I’m still here everyday though!! 🤣🤣🤣
I stopped watching/following after last year. I was also an avid fan from the mid 70's. No more.
It's now more like a crap reality TV series with contrived jeopardy for extra spice and a dollop of arbitrariness for good measure. No thanks.
Russel has, until this GP at least, a higher average grid position than Hamilton. And a higher race finishing position, plus has one pole position. He’s currently 33 points ahead of Hamilton.
It’s not quite that simple, though, is it? Hamilton was caught out numerous times at the start of the season by the safety car. The team have also made a few questionable calls which cost Hamilton points, and Toto and Lewis have openly stated that Hamilton sacrificed a lot of potential pace to help Mercedes understand their car problems early on. Lewis was playing the long game, knowing that 2022 wasn’t going to happen, but to make sure they didn’t also get stuck for 23 onwards. He has nothing to prove, but still wants to win.
But the blame can’t entirely be laid at the Race Director’s feet
Sure it can - his mistake gave Max a title he wouldn't otherwise have had. That race was done, the title was Lewis's.
Can we not take this back to the 2021 thread? Otherwise someone will mention that the championship would’ve been his anyway had Hamilton not nerfed him off the track at Silverstone. Who knows where discussion will go after that!
For sure. It was a major **** up. But the blame can’t entirely be laid at the Race Director’s feet;
Yes, it can. That’s what being director means. Like being an aircraft captain. Even when it’s not your fault, it’s still you fault.
The fact is that there were rules published, a procedure to follow. It wasn’t followed. It affected the outcome, and it was unfair. I’ll never be convinced otherwise.
But I don’t think Max is at fault for that. The race director is.
In other news, Max continues to exceed my expectations for how much he can annoy me. Apparently the best driver in the world. Suddenly can’t control his car under acceleration. The fact that another car was passing at th moment he looked in his mirror and steered towards them is purely a coincidence.
But he claims it wasn’t his fault, because… [mutter, mutter] …reasons.
Sure.
Sure it can – his mistake gave Max a title he wouldn’t otherwise have had
What about the mistake in not penalising Hamilton for leaving the track and gaining an advantage earlier on? Selective, much? 🤣
Otherwise someone will mention that the championship would’ve been his anyway had Hamilton not nerfed him off the track at Silverstone
I wasn't going to mention that... 😉
Anyway, moving on: Will Max get his second DWC in the race tomorrow? Would make the remaining races a bit boring tbh.
What about the mistake in not penalising Hamilton for leaving the track and gaining an advantage earlier on? Selective, much? 🤣
After Max drove him off the track? Did it fundamentally change the outcome of the chsmpionship?
But I don’t think Max is at fault for that. The race director is.
Sure. But Max cannot be punished for doing nothing wrong. Hamilton wasn't punished for breaking the rules. So; karma, perhaps. Whatever. There's a song in a Disney kid's musical about a snowman and a princess or something, what's it called now...
After Max drove him off the track?
Lol! 'Frozen' is the film; now what's the name of the song?
Sirs, please kindly take this discussion back where it belongs: https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/f1-2021-spoilers-here/
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Russel has, until this GP at least, a higher average grid position than Hamilton
is not the same as this
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Consistently out qualifying Hamilton
Out-qualifying, to virtually everyone, means qualifying further up the grid than the other person in a particular race.
Not to say Russell hasn't done fantastically and has had better race success, but he hasn't consistently out-qualified Ha!ilton whichever way you look at it.
Looking forward to the race tomorrow. Just hope it's not so wet they have to red flag it. A bit of drizzle would be nice though.
Can we try to stop this thread becoming a mirror of pretty much every comments section on every F1 site since 2020/21. It's OK to support a driver (or not), it's OK not to like a team, but I don't recall the amount of petty name calling, dredging up every past incident and conspiracy theory vs that seems to be everywhere now. F1 drivers are known for the speed that they get over incidents and focus on the next race - shame some of the fans can't be the same
I’m already looking forward to 2023; if Ferrari can stop throwing race wins away, and Mercedes can get it together and build a decent car, and perhaps if other teams can up their game a bit too, then t could be even more exciting to watch. Max V LeClerc v Hamilton v whoever else, would be wonderful. A proper 3, 4 way battle for the titles would be just what the sport needs. Will it happen? Or will it just be more of one team dominating everything as usual?
Lol! ‘Frozen’ is the film; now what’s the name of the song
You bought it it up. But sure, I'll say no more. 🙂
Oh and as above, it's all got a bit toxic. When something supposedly entertaining just winds everyone up into a shouting match, it ceases to be enjoyable. Hence oot. And I do recognise the irony of occasionally dropping in on these sorts of threads 🙃
Bloody F1 and rain. Shouldn't have bothered waking up early.
Raining at the start should be compulsory full wet tyres.
50p says that this is going to end up the same as Spa a couple of years ago. Why this race is on during the monsoon season baffles me.
So; Max gets his second world title. Tbh he had it won a very long time ago really, let’s face it. Brilliant driver. But what a farce of a race; having a recovery vehicle out on track in those conditions, where visibility was practically zero? Utter shambles.
You'd have thought race control/FIA would have made the teams and Sky aware of the points situation - they'd been basing their strategy on 50% and Sky was reporting the wrong result all race. The F1 timing app was correct though.
Congrats to Max and Red Bull. Well deserved after an utterly dominant season.
Looking forward to Mondays whitewash now on the alleged cheating last season that has obviously effected this season as well.
Well done to Max and Red Bull, He was on another level this Season what a Talent this Guy is
So no DRS means no overtaking. Remind me of the change in regulations to allow closer racing.
So no DRS means no overtaking
Pretty much. I think there's a good argument to be made for making it's effect less pronounced at certain cicuits, but I don't think we're at the stage where we can get rid of it.
Why this race is on during the monsoon season baffles me.
Because the race organizers don't want to change it. It's held on the weekend of Sports Day, which commemorates the 1964 Olympics and is always a Monday. Most Japanese public holidays aren't adjusted to fall on a Monday, so you'd be looking at Marine Day (third Monday of July) or Respect for the Aged Day (third Monday of September) to keep it on a holiday weekend.
Great performance by Max this year - the title has been inevitable since the summer break, but I bet he'd have preferred a simpler way of winning it so he could at least celebrate the moment.
The FIA shouldn’t be running The Show, it’s made up on the spot. Full of errors.
Seems the flag was shown a lap too soon. And…
"Should for any reason the end-of-session signal be given before [...] the prescribed time has been completed, the [..] race will be deemed to have finished when the leading car last crossed the Line before the signal was given."
This would move Leclerc back to 2nd. And affect the standings
But of course, no one wants that…?
It a shambles
I think ive said on this thread before Spa and Suzuka are the only 2 races im bothered about watching. Is it worth it this time?
I know the result but dont know the ins and outs of how the actual race went.
Is it worth it this time?
There was only really 40 mins of meaningful running, maybe watch that and the start lap. So it won't take long to watch - but there was about as much action as in a sprint quali race so I'm not sure I'd bother if I knew the result.
. Is it worth it this time?
It got prettt exciting at the end. As above on 40 mins long so you might as well! The channel 4 highlights pretty much covers it all
Looking forward to Mondays whitewash now on the alleged cheating last season that has obviously effected this season as well.
And
This would move Leclerc back to 2nd. And affect the standings
But of course, no one wants that…?
It a shambles
Good grief it's a difficult sport to like right now 🙄
Raining at the start should be compulsory full wet tyres.
I agree
Good grief it’s a difficult sport to like right now
Becuase it’s tainted. The new Champion has won it relatively easily after a controversial win last year and whilst his team is currently being implicated in development led cheating. And we all know the FIA powers that be don’t like to upset the apple cart “for the sake of the show”, so fully expect RB to walk away with nothing more than a few thousand euros less in the bank after tomorrows outcome is announced.
F1 is becoming the new WWE “We know it’s staged but they are still racing drivers”
F1 is becoming the new WWE “We know it’s staged but they are still racing drivers”
Yep, they've raided the credibility bank a few too many times recently. I've been a fan since the 80s but I've never felt this negtive about it
Raining at the start should be compulsory full wet tyres.
I agree
They asked the Pirelli guy about that. He said it wouldn't work in conditions like today, they displace 80 litres of water per second per wheel, so nobody would be able to see anything.
