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What’s to hate about Mosley? We have safe road cars because of Mosley. F1 is what it is today because of Mosley and Ecclestone.
even get an advantage through pitting at the right time
I think this dice roll loophole should be closed. I find it ridiculous. It's like F1 Snakes and Ladders, on account of where you are in a lap when the call comes, or does not come. The bunching is bad enough, but handing some teams a huge time bonus is just unfair.
What’s to hate about Mosley? We have safe road cars because of Mosley. F1 is what it is today because of Mosley and Ecclestone.
Hmmm, you're not strengthening your argument by including Ecclestone in your "praise"!
DRS can do one. There were some seriously embarrassing moments in that race. The leaders tripping over themselves to be 2nd into a corner so they can use the fake speed down the next straight? Ridiculous. This isn't Mariokart.
As for DRS "stopping the lunge down the inside" moves, Verstappen's "World Championship" was built on it.
Looks like they’re going to announce a Las Vegas race in 2023 tonight according to the reliable source that is Twitter
Confirmed by https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/6093299 4">BBC
A Saturday night F1 race on a street circuit in Vegas? So many wrong things in one sentence there. We've got fantastic circuits around the world in countries where there is a good F1 fan base, but instead they opt to sick a third race in the USA. Not impressed, but maybe I'm tainted by memories of the Caesar's Palace car park fiasco.
As for DRS - IMO it needs recalibrating for the new cars. The original idea was that it would give following drivers a chance to challenge for position by the end of the straight, not to sail by before they're half way down it. So use a shorter DRS zone and move the detection line so it's on corner exit rather than entry - if they can follow closer through the corner there's no need to have on entry any more. And maybe remind drivers of the rule that says "drivers must not drive erratically" so someone locking up to avoid crossing the DRS detection line first can be penalised.
Night race in Las Vegas - well that's most of Europe who won't be watching it live due to the time difference.
Vegas street circuit looks pap IMO, I'd like to see some US circuits getting used used though like Laguna Seca for example
Trouble is, we're going to be seeing more and more tracks like Vegas I fear. For all it's criticism, there's no denying the 2 races in Jeddah have been more action packed than a lot of GPs on regular circuits, and Baku and Singapore often throw up a crazy race too. Kind of feel like F1 is going down a similar route to WC DH now I think about, it's all single line, flat out blast stuff designed to look impressive on screen. Classic tracks like Laguna Seca, Kyalami etc are not going to fit that brief.
Kind of feel like F1 is going down a similar route to WC DH now I think about
Feels more like the route Formula E went down to me
like Laguna Seca for example
It would be quite a good F1 circuit, but it's very short, It's only a bit longer than Monaco (I think) the capacity is teeny and it's pretty much in the middle of nowhere. I'm not sure F1 would be keen to go there
I think about, it’s all single line, flat out blast stuff designed to look impressive on screen.
I'd agree that some of the Tilke designed circuits are pretty cookie cutter layouts, there's still quite a bit of veriety in the circuits thtey do use. Zandvoort was fun last year, the very high speed stuff like Sliverstone and Monza are wildly different to the part time circuits like Montreal and Melbourne, and you can't really not have some circuits like Sao Paulo and Spa, which are really unlike anything else
With street curcuits it’s pretty easy for F1 to organise - local government say ok then you just ship in all the barriers/lights/pit buildings that you need and it’s good to go.
With an already established track you’ll have to negotiate a deal with the track and they are going to have to bring it up to F1 standards for the surface, runoffs, barriers pits etc etc.
I don’t think that having a circuit already there is much of a benefit if the F1 circus wants to come to town.
nickc
It would be quite a good F1 circuit, but it’s very short, It’s only a bit longer than Monaco (I think) the capacity is teeny and it’s pretty much in the middle of nowhere. I’m not sure F1 would be keen to go there
Well it's nowhere near meeting the circuit requirements, but exceptions can be made (see also: Monaco).
However Grosjean was asked about it and he said the corkscrew would smash the cars up. Could be a chance for Merc redemption with their raised ride height though? 🙂
Track safety standards are just an excuse IMHO. If Monaco with its 2 inch run off areas and a pit lane that would be banned anywhere else shows that the standards are just a meaningless joke
If Monaco with its 2 inch run off areas and a pit lane that would be banned anywhere else shows that the standards are just a meaningless joke
Monaco is in there for historical (and financial) reasons. It's given special treatment, any other circuit would be required to address the safety concerns. That's impossible for Monaco, so it's either race as it is or stop racing there entirely.
Monaco is also the slowest track in the series
That’s impossible for Monaco, so it’s either race as it is or stop racing there entirely
I'd happily see Monaco binned, it's always so boring.
I’d happily see Monaco binned, it’s always so boring.
Qualifying is good. Make it the F1 equivalent of a time trial. Each driver gets 7 consecutive laps. Their total time determines the classification. Every car, flat out for 7 laps. There's no overtaking in Monaco anyway, so just formalise it and remove the problem of the lead driver dictating the pace.
I’d like to see some US circuits getting used used though like Laguna Seca for example
Unfortunately its never going to happen.
Its been dropped off the MotoGP calendar due to the facilities, so its never going to make the F1 standard.
With street curcuits it’s pretty easy for F1 to organise – local government say ok then you just ship in all the barriers/lights/pit buildings that you need and it’s good to go.
With an already established track you’ll have to negotiate a deal with the track and they are going to have to bring it up to F1 standards for the surface, runoffs, barriers pits etc etc.
But this is where half the issue is.
We have a new purpose built "street" circuit like Jeddah which is questionable on safety grounds, but historic tracks like Spa have to spend millions to bring them up to standard.
Seems like a two tier system.
A Saturday night F1 race on a street circuit in Vegas? So many wrong things in one sentence there. We’ve got fantastic circuits around the world in countries where there is a good F1 fan base, but instead they opt to sick a third race in the USA. Not impressed, but maybe I’m tainted by memories of the Caesar’s Palace car park fiasco
-8 hours (9 from mainland Europe) so you can imagine a midnight start to get the timings to work.
Totally with you about another "car park" track, such as Miami. So many good circuits to use without creating these mickey mouse ones.
As long as they dont touch the 4 historic ones (Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Monaco*) then they can rotate the others to wherever they want.
*Yes I know Monaco is an awful race.
Daffy
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Make it the F1 equivalent of a time trial. Each driver gets 7 consecutive laps. Their total time determines the classification. Every car, flat out for 7 laps. There’s no overtaking in Monaco anyway, so just formalise it and remove the problem of the lead driver dictating the pace.
Everyone hated single car qualifying, single car racing isn't going to fly
I like Monaco! 🙂
I’d happily see Monaco binned, it’s always so boring.
It's quite good fun in the wet, but I think the last wet race there was in 2017? it's always pretty dull when it's sunny though
Monaco, though, innit.
Everyone hated single car qualifying, single car racing isn’t going to fly
Monaco is single car racing. The lead car dictates the pace and no-one can overtake especially with these hybrid cars where they can deploy more energy when required to defend.
I'd rather see 140 laps flat out, driver vs. circuit than 70-80 laps of follow the leader at a slow pace.
Monaco is single car racing. ...
...I’d rather see 140 laps flat out, driver vs. circuit than 70-80 laps of follow the leader at a slow pace.
No, its not. You've still got a full field to watch, even if they aren't doing anything. A time trial would end up competing with watching paint dry in the ratings battle
No, its not. You’ve still got a full field to watch, even if they aren’t doing anything. A time trial would end up competing with watching paint dry in the ratings battle
You’ve just described the typical Monaco race. We all know its about money and nothing to do with history or racing.
Yup, I’m not saying it’s not all about money. Just that having only 1 car on track at a time would make it a far bigger turn off for most people
We all know its about money and nothing to do with history or racing
Its not though.
Monaco pays the lowest amount to hold a race
https://racingnews365.com/how-much-each-circuit-on-the-calendar-pays-to-formula-1
Monaco is the showcase event - it's where F1 wines and dines the wealthy, current and future sponsors. You can't look at it logically, it's more than a race to all involved in F1.
Money from sponsors and the like rather than the venue
One of the benefits of Covid was in bringing back proper circuits to the calendar: Portimao, Imola, Mugello… I’m not one for street circuits: they just feel contrived, not to mention the tendency for red flags and safety cars when people Latifi inevitably bins it.
Putting DRS activation lines on corner exit might be quite a reasonable idea, because you won’t get any of that stupid squabbling over who gets there first. Who wants to watch a race where two drivers are fighting to be last through a corner? I’ve no idea why lots of commentators seem to be celebrating that as great racing; I thought it was just embarrassing for the sport.
It's OK in track cycling though...
Who wants to watch a race where two drivers are fighting to be last through a corner?
You probably know the "slow race" bike training technique, where you have to ride down a hill without touching a foot to the ground, the slowest time wins. Excellent for novices learning basic balance and coordination. Strange to be posting this in a thread about a sport where professional athletes compete to be the fastest on the planet.
Ironically the slow bike race is, IIRC, the only actual race of any kind that I’ve ever won. (School sports day, circa 1984.)
Brilliant, it had me going for a bit there🤣
Isn't the problem with F1 circuits that they are very specialised, a modern F1 circuit that creates good racing isn't going to be a good Moto GP or touring car circuit. Brands hatch is great for touring cars and motorbikes but I can't imagine it would be any good for F1 as there's barely a decent long straight. Same for Donington
I dont watch much F1 these days but the only tracks I'd go out of my way to watch are Spa and Suzuka.
The Portuguese GP was brilliant last year, I'd love that to return to the calendar permanently.
lol just seen that they are having 4 drs zones in Melbourne? Or is that an April fools timezone goof on my part?!
https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2022/Australia/Circuit.html
multi21
lol just seen that they are having 4 drs zones in Melbourne? Or is that an April fools timezone goof on my part?!
I think that's correct. There's 2 detection zones & then 4 DRS zones.
The F1 website map shows 2 detection zones & I guess the green areas on the diagram are DRS zones.
Looks like a lot of the track although no idea on scale of that map.
Looks like a lot of the track although no idea on scale of that map.
I read somewhere its over 40% of the track. Something over 2km of a 5km track.