Lewis and Mercedes are boycotting it because it’s the FIA, not because Redbull/Max won.
Well aware of this. Still of the same opinion.
Maybe fia should be showing a bit more understanding in the circumstances.
Lewis and Mercedes are boycotting it
Again, Mercedes aren't boycotting it...Toto and Lewis are. James Allison is going to collect the Constructors prize.
Well aware of this. Still of the same opinion.
So your response to a gross injustice would be to support those guilty of visiting that injustice upon you? All for the sake of looking classy? Interesting.
I prefer people with principles and convictions that you can hold them to rather than those who bow to others perception of them.
Each to their own.
So your response to a gross injustice would be to support those guilty of visiting that injustice upon you? All for the sake of looking classy? Interesting
No, it’s the contractural obligation that I am particularly referring to, e.g. even though you feel a major injustice has taken place, you are still classy enough to fulfil your obligations rather than give them the satisfaction of being able to question your integrity. It’s just a different perspective isn’t it?
I prefer people with principles and convictions that you can hold them to
And yet here you are on an F1 thread after the whole circus has just visited Saudi Arabia.
It’s just a different perspective isn’t it?
It is but why would he go and celebrate with the thieves that picked his pocket and why is he the only one expected to show class when all those around him have shown zero?
Enough, **** em.
I do hope Lewis stays - he may start to release some music otherwise!! 🤣🤣
If I was Lewis, I’d probably have gone but insisted, to the point of being a dick about it, everyone at the FIA and redbull call me ‘Sir Lewis’.
Different rules for everyone else, natch.
You need to look up the definition of integrity. Integrity is about having morals and principles. Contractual obligations to an organisation with little to no integrity and you’re questioning his? Really?
In the BBC report of the prizegiving, they say:
<span data-reactid=".25ac6h7m69a.0.0.0.1.$paragraph-9.0">Verstappen pointed out that Hamilton himself had won a title in similar circumstances, when he deprived Ferrari's Felipe Massa on the last corner of the last lap of the last grand prix in 2008.</span>
No Max, that wasn't similar at all. That was just racing, not unjust decisions by the race director.
I assume Lewis’s defence will be along the lines of “when it says driver who fished second in the championship, it doesn’t mean all drivers who finished second in the championship”.
Oh, I didn’t realise it was live streaming on YouTube
If I was Lewis, I’d probably have gone but insisted, to the point of being a dick about it, everyone at the FIA and redbull call me ‘Sir Lewis’.
Ahh but according to one of the more reliable sources of news out there it's actually "Sir Max"
https://newsthump.com/2021/12/16/fia-awards-lewis-hamiltons-knighthood-to-max-verstappen/
Apparantely Lewis is really dissolutioned (sp?) about the whole thing and has been in daily conversations with Toto. I reckon Toto will be trying to pursuade him to keep racing - it could be that bad.
I wouldn’t blame him for quitting but I really hope he comes back and drives MV into the ground for the next 2 years and gets 9 WDC titles.
If they punish LH/Merc for not turning up to the ball then the FIA will be displaying a monumental lack of foresight in how this could damage their reputation.
So if now he wants to peeve off and not come out to play anymore because he lost, then good riddance to Lewis the LOSER
Yeah, 7 WDCs, most race wins, most poles, knighthood etc etc, a real loser.
Must be your bed time now dear. 🙄
The FIA will punish them then, they have absolutely no self-awareness when it comes to these situations.
No Max, that wasn’t similar at all. That was just racing, not unjust decisions by the race director.
Exactly. It was pure racing through changing conditions with everyone taking gambles on what was the best course of action. Absolutely no-one thought during or after the race that they had seen a manipulated result, more that it had been an amazing spectacle that would be talked about for years for all the right reasons. The exact opposite of how Max's maiden championship will be remembered strangely.
the safety car came out which allowed Hamilton to catch up and get second place
You seem not to grasp the fundamental difference between that safety car (and all the others) and the one at the end of the season.
F1 trophy time at the Gala, let’s see if there’s any popcorn to be had 🙂
Hamilton is also obviously forgetting that in Imola he crashed into the gravel trap and was a lap down until Bottas also crashed and the safety car came out which allowed Hamilton to catch up and get second place
He was a (fortunate) beneficiary of the rules being applied correctly, had it happened to another driver, it would be the same outcome. The rules were not applied correctly in AD.
He was a (fortunate) beneficiary of the rules being applied correctly. The rules were not applied correctly in AD.
Indeed. If the safety car had happened and the Williams cleared up very quickly, the lapped cars allowed through and the race restarted for one lap then no-one would have had a problem. In other words if the rules were followed, but you got unlucky, well, that's racing.
The issue is that the rules weren't followed. It's almost like Masi bunged a grand on a Max win with 5 laps to go and did what ever he could to get a big win.
The issue is that the rules weren’t followed. It’s almost like Masi bunged a grand on a Max win with 5 laps to go and did what ever he could to get a big win.
I know! It’s so weird what happened I can’t help thinking it’s some sort of betting scam or he’s been paid/persuaded to make Max win if the opportunity came about.
Disappointing lack of entertainment from the Prize Gala. Interesting choice of team radio clips on their montage of the season, though.
Daffy
Full MemberWell aware of this. Still of the same opinion.
So your response to a gross injustice would be to support those guilty of visiting that injustice upon you? All for the sake of looking classy? Interesting.
I prefer people with principles and convictions that you can hold them to rather than those who bow to others perception of them.
Each to their own.
But if you base your behavioural compass on what the FIA/RB/Max have done, isn't that the polar opposite of "classy"? To me, honouring the agreement to appear that he signed up to at the beginning of the season, and ignoring the issue of other people's behaviour is pretty classy.
There's no right or wrong I guess. As you say, each to their own. 🙂
Hamilton is also obviously forgetting that in Imola he crashed into the gravel trap and was a lap down until Bottas also crashed and the safety car came out which allowed Hamilton to catch up and get second place
You don’t get it do you. Nobody’s complaining about there being a safety car, or Max getting a ‘free’ pit stop for new tyres, or the gap Lewis had built up getting wiped out, or anything else that happened that normally happens under a SC. All that is part of F1, sometimes it goes for you, sometimes against.
The issue in Abu Dhabi is that everyone made strategic decisions based on the well established SC rules as prescribed by the regulations. And then Masi deviated from the two regulations that dictate what happens once the danger has been removed, in both cases giving an advantage to Verstappen that he would not have had if the regulations had been followed. Like they are every other time.
If Latifi had crashed two laps earlier, and the hazard cleared in the same time, the normal process would have been followed and you’d have had one or two laps to go with Verstappen right back up behind Hamilton. And that would have been fine. Unlucky, frustrating and bitterly disappointing for Hamilton, sure, but also fair and in accordance with the rules. So they’d have had nothing to complain about, it would have been a 100% legitimate victory for Max based only upon ability, strategy and fate. As it was, Masi did not apply the rules correctly, but instead misapplied them - knowingly, as his post race comments from Eisel confirm - in such a way to give a massive advantage to Verstappen.
Don't feed the troll!!
Hamilton is also obviously forgetting that in Imola he crashed into the gravel trap and was a lap down until Bottas also crashed and the safety car came out which allowed Hamilton to catch up and get second place
You don’t get it do you
I know! It’s so weird what happened I can’t help thinking it’s some sort of betting scam or he’s been paid/persuaded to make Max win if the opportunity came about.
The conditions were so specific that I really can't imagine that any sort of pre-meditation can be suspected. Masi was under pressure, got grief off both teams, felt the burden of past indecision and made a bad call, IMHO. Was Latifi bribed to throw it off the island with 5 to go so Masi could engineer the W? No chance.
How did Latifi actually crash? Can anyone post the footage so we can start a conspiracy theory about how he did it on purpose.
There must be some weird movements or something....
The conditions were so specific that I really can’t imagine that any sort of pre-meditation can be suspected. Masi was under pressure, got grief off both teams, felt the burden of past indecision and made a bad call
Exactly. He made a mistake. The problem is that the FIA cannot admit that it was a mistake.
How did Latifi actually crash? Can anyone post the footage so we can start a conspiracy theory about how he did it on purpose.
From memory he'd gone off line and picked up a bunch of dirt on his tires then binned it at the next corner
How did Latifi actually crash? Can anyone post the footage so we can start a conspiracy theory about how he did it on purpose.
Latifi was fighting for track position with Schumacher, he went off the track after wheels touched and picked up debris: Here.
Schumacher
The same guy that wants to preserve his Dad’s legacy? Makes you think…
That legacy was NEVER about supporting anyone else... 😉
Makes you think…
It's harder to make me think than most people expect.
Did anyone lose a theoretical chance of improving their championship position or the constructors position due to the safety car fiasco? Anyone behind Verstappen who had been lapped (and subsequently not allowed to unlap) didn't have the opportunity to gain places on the cars who did unlap themselves. Then there was the issue of blue flags for unlapped cars behind Verstappen.
Did anyone lose a theoretical chance of improving their championship position or the constructors position due to the safety car fiasco?
Don’t think so—I think the only drivers/teams that close on points were Leclerc and Norris, but they had the two Alpines between them on track. So it was only about the race result for everyone else. If I were Sainz I think I’d have been a bit more vocal about having been denied the opportunity of going for second or first. Conversely, Bottas probably wishes he’d had a few backmarkers holding station behind him 😉
I see Bernie’s dissed Toto and Lewis, so that must mean they’re doing something right.
Has anyone published Jacques Villeneuve’s hot take yet? I expect that’d be good comedy value.
So Mohammed Ben Sulayem is the new FIA president - wonder what he'll bring to the role as, compared to Mosely, Todt was most noteable for his silence. The FIA President has a pretty broad remit and I think Max was too close to the management of F1, but as an incoming president I'd certainly want to spin up the PR machine to improve the public image of F1 at the moment.
Classic. Asked to clarify whether he was saying Hamilton would be penalised for not attending the gala, he said: "Forgiveness is always there. "But rules are rules".
You couldn't make this crap up.
I bet Toto wishes he had gone ahead with the appeal now!
Wow what a muppet, it would have quite happily faded from the news cycle but he's just stoked the fire again. I guess there's just more political games going on behind the scenes.
Ben Sulayem said Bernie Ecclestone had not been involved other than to introduce the pair
Hahahhahahahahhahaaaa good one (about Bernie's wife being made a VP)
I’m backing the Mercedes’ lawyers over the FIAs any day of the week. That quote won’t age well.
Read the fricking room! How can anyone be so tone deaf.
I could see Lewis quitting if they fined him...or even reprimanded him
Aside from the total lack of self-awareness over the “rules is rules” comment, when you have to start denying that Bernie’s had his fingers in your pie on your first day in the job then basically you’ve ****ed it.
